FBI, DHS Classify antifa as acts as Domestic Terrorism.

SneekyNinja

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abandonconflict said:
Is that the best you've got? I mean it is slightly better than your other fail ass posts. It does convey accurately the loaded fallacy in your mind in such a way that many goons would accept as an actual argument. So in that regard it's ok. I give it a 4/10, better luck next time.

Why you think you know shit about violence is escaping me at the moment, I mean you're clearly a coward who has never had the courage to stand up for someone who couldn't stand up for themselves or who was being oppressed systematically because of their demographics. I bet you would have told Jews in Germany in the 30s not to resist.
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I tried to explain to him before that when everyone you speak to tells you that you're wrong then you should probably reevaluate your positions...

He arrogantly and rather ironically dismissed my suggestion.

Fuck it anyway, bedtime.
 
abandonconflict

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SneekyNinja said:
I tried to explain to him before that when everyone you speak to tells you that you're wrong then you should probably reevaluate your positions...

He arrogantly and rather ironically dismissed my suggestion.

Fuck it anyway, bedtime.
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Well, not EVERYONE disagrees with him...

he does get likes from other berniebros and trumptards.
 
zeddd

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Ghandi was a hideous racist, from his autobiography..."“A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.” ~ Vol. I, p. 19
 
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SouthCross said:
I have no idea why. What I do know is the Federal government doesn't tolerate competition. If they can't control you. They're gonna bring down the patriot act.

I didn't post this article to start a fight or try to change established mindsets. You're going to do what you want no matter what. Take the article as a warning. The Federal government does not play.
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Nazis and KKK groups aren't listed as terrorist organizations and they are the ones coordinating marches where people are beaten and murdered by them. We all know why the government is treating their paramilitary enforcers with kid gloves. Trump even lied on national television for them. Because they support the racist and economic status quo.

Yet hue and cry over Antifa. How many have they murdered? How many did they put in the hospital in Berkeley a couple of weekends ago? None. Two people needed treatment on the scene. Antifa are showing a restraint that your Nazi and KKK brethren aren't.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
If it devolves into violence, the thugs- and their sympathisers in the police forces- win.

They'll use the violence to justify ever more heavy handed tactics.

Maybe it's time you studied some history.
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Not when 15,000 peaceful demonstrators come out alongside of Antifa. Really large crowds fuck them up. Also that's 15,000 witnesses with smart phones in the thousands.
 
SneekyNinja

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Fogdog said:
Nazis and KKK groups aren't listed as terrorist organizations and they are the ones coordinating marches where people are beaten and murdered by them. We all know why the government is treating their paramilitary enforcers with kid gloves. Trump even lied on national television for them. Because they support the racist and economic status quo.

Yet hue and cry over Antifa. How many have they murdered? How many did they put in the hospital in Berkeley a couple of weekends ago? None. Two people needed treatment on the scene. Antifa are showing a restraint that your Nazi and KKK brethren aren't.
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I thought the KKK was a banned organization that still operated anyway because some parts of this country are retarded...

Bunch of Cucks, never gave them enough time/research.
 
abandonconflict

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SneekyNinja said:
I thought the KKK was a banned organization that still operated anyway because some parts of this country are retarded...

Bunch of Cucks, never gave them enough time/research.
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I have been reading that all over these "blue lives matter" fb groups the the kkk has been the actual driving force. Like a member will enter and they have this acronym question and answer code:

"AYAK" >>>are you a klansman
"AKIA" >>>a klansman I am

Apparently one of the biggest groups has tens of thousands of members and this code has been used by more than half. I don't remember actual figures and I'm sure anyone willing to report that would be biased but still, it is a verifiable thing that was being reported so it is probably based on fact. It was a while ago I read it but apparently the infiltrator journalist who made this into a story noticed a whole lot of cops were klansmen in several states, particularly Missouri.

So I decided to do a little reading of my own and discovered the overlap between LEOs and the KKK is very well reported and confirmed. They're hardly even hiding it anymore.
 
abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
Nazis and KKK groups aren't listed as terrorist organizations and they are the ones coordinating marches where people are beaten and murdered by them. We all know why the government is treating their paramilitary enforcers with kid gloves. Trump even lied on national television for them. Because they support the racist and economic status quo.

Yet hue and cry over Antifa. How many have they murdered? How many did they put in the hospital in Berkeley a couple of weekends ago? None. Two people needed treatment on the scene. Antifa are showing a restraint that your Nazi and KKK brethren aren't.
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If you follow the letter of the NDAA in conjunction with this classification, first off they classified "antifa tactics as domestic terrorism" not "Antifa is a terror group". That is a sweeping and dangerous classification. Antifa is not a centralised and organized group. It is an international theme. It is short hand for antifascism as you know.

You can be charged for terrorism if you are opposed to fascism in the United States. I'm not sure how many have been charged if any, but that is the letter of the law now.
 
Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
If you follow the letter of the NDAA in conjunction with this classification, first off they classified "antifa tactics as domestic terrorism" not "Antifa is a terror group". That is a sweeping and dangerous classification. Antifa is not a centralised and organized group. It is an international theme. It is short hand for antifascism as you know.

You can be charged for terrorism if you are opposed to fascism in the United States. I'm not sure how many have been charged if any, but that is the letter of the law now.
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can the kind of charges you mention be made based upon a letter of the NDAA? No legal rulings required?

How about White supremacist tactics? They are "completely baffled" how to charge the driver who murdered in Charlottesville for a terrorist act. Seems there is justification for classifying "alt right" tactics as domestic terrorism. Yet, all we hear is "bad Antifa" who haven't really done anything compared to alt right.
 
SoOLED

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Jimdamick said:
Like the American or French Revolutions?
Sometimes violence is necessary, to be on the right side of history.
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yes but at no time in history, has this option not a viable option.

there is not amount of fighting or guerilla terrorist actions that would end well.

it would have the opposite effect.

it has to be a complete social/ideological rebellion, like the 100% rejection of the dollar or some other idea.
 
abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
can the kind of charges you mention be made based upon a letter of the NDAA? No legal rulings required?

How about White supremacist tactics? They are "completely baffled" how to charge the driver who murdered in Charlottesville for a terrorist act. Seems there is justification for classifying "alt right" tactics as domestic terrorism. Yet, all we hear is "bad Antifa" who haven't really done anything compared to alt right.
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As far as actually bringing up charges and prosecuting, I'm not sure. I should also clarify, obviously simply opposing fascism ideologically or even rhetorically is not going to fall under this, but being present at an incident and being opposed to fascism, according to this classification, one need only be attacked by white nationalists and then defend themselves to be "employing antifa tactics". Again, the legal process regarding NDAA is something I have admittedly not looked into.
 
Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
As far as actually bringing up charges and prosecuting, I'm not sure. I should also clarify, obviously simply opposing fascism ideologically or even rhetorically is not going to fall under this, but being present at an incident and being opposed to fascism, according to this classification, one need only be attacked by white nationalists and then defend themselves to be "employing antifa tactics". Again, the legal process regarding NDAA is something I have admittedly not looked into.
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You raise some interesting points. Here is a bit about why the murderer in Charlottesville might get charged for a hate crime and not terrorism. Also talks about some limitations law enforcement has when dealing with domestic terrorists.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/us-hate-groups-legal-protections-241653

Of note:
The FBI and Department of Homeland of security broadly track dozens of neo-Nazi, “sovereign” and other white Christian militant groups in the U.S.

"dozens of white Christian militant groups"

Yet, right wingers carry on about Antifa. And Antifa tactics (whatever that means) are terrorist acts.

On a different note, Berkeley and Oakland police are definitely havens for fascist racist cops. Yet, they held back a couple of weekends ago when Antifa started kicking right wing ass. 7000 peaceful demonstrators were witnesses. I'm not going to be the one who goes out and kicks ass. I was there in Portland Oregon against the wishes of some family members who feared violence. It's my impression that the large number of peaceful protesters prevented violence.

This rage against Antifa is, I think intended to keep me and others from showing up.
 
abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
You raise some interesting points. Here is a bit about why the murderer in Charlottesville might get charged for a hate crime and not terrorism. Also talks about some limitations law enforcement has when dealing with domestic terrorists.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/us-hate-groups-legal-protections-241653

Of note:
The FBI and Department of Homeland of security broadly track dozens of neo-Nazi, “sovereign” and other white Christian militant groups in the U.S.

"dozens of white Christian militant groups"

Yet, right wingers carry on about Antifa. And Antifa tactics (whatever that means) are terrorist acts.

On a different note, Berkeley and Oakland police are definitely havens for fascist racist cops. Yet, they held back a couple of weekends ago when Antifa started kicking right wing ass. 7000 peaceful demonstrators were witnesses. I'm not going to be the one who goes out and kicks ass. I was there in Portland Oregon against the wishes of some family members who feared violence. It's my impression that the large number of peaceful protesters prevented violence.

This rage against Antifa is, I think intended to keep me and others from showing up.
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Yeah I'm sure that is one of the top designs. It's also just another facet of systematic oppression. The people with their hands on the levers want to keep their hands on the levers and antifascists who are brave enough to face the police and KKK are absolutely a threat to their societal control. They have long perceived the coming of the end of their grip on society. It has been a kind of tug of war between the people keeping power in caucasian hands and those fighting for their own equality. Now they are trying to regain ground lost over the course of a few decades and guess who is going around punching their little faces?

So now imagine a secret back room meeting of shadowy law enforcers with ties to the KKK or worse, direct membership. "Our plan to Make America Great Again is being opposed..."
 
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