FBI, DHS Classify antifa as acts as Domestic Terrorism.

SoOLED

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ok gotcha, but see in that time; that could happen.

theres is no way anything like that could happen today. even if you did "cut the dead of the snake" so-to-speak

the government would not change.
 

Fogdog

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yes but at no time in history, has this option not a viable option.

there is not amount of fighting or guerilla terrorist actions that would end well.

it would have the opposite effect.

it has to be a complete social/ideological rebellion, like the 100% rejection of the dollar or some other idea.
ok gotcha, but see in that time; that could happen.

theres is no way anything like that could happen today. even if you did "cut the dead of the snake" so-to-speak

the government would not change.
Having difficulty following your logic.
 

abandonconflict

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talking about revolution on the current oligarchy, buy means of conflict. right

IMHO: that is not an option, no matter how it is executed.

there is no winning solution to a hostile citizen coup.
We get it, you're counter revolutionary and yet still think you're a dissident, cognitive dissonance. You have already here demonstrated a lack of historical understanding sufficient to make any sort of argument regarding revolutionary praxis or theory from you immediately suspect.

LMAO abu coudnt even win his court case.
He's not the only black guy who couldn't win a court case. You might be surprised to learn what the world is like when you're not white...

I mean while we're at it, not only did your empty reply demonstrate perfectly why his argument is valid, it was actually intended as an ad hominem. You have to be really terrible at this in order to argue so poorly.

Foggy's comment nailed it, the problem is your logic. I'm not trying to insult you, yet.
 

Abiqua

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They're all a bunch of deluded fucks...

Evidence of this is easily available given both camps believe Trump is good for America.
You probably still call indigenous people of the North America, "Indians".....newsalert, Columbus thought he was lost in.....India.....deluded fucks indeed :)
 

abandonconflict

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The word indigenous literally means from India and you're using it while criticizing someone for not even calling First Nations people Indians, which is the same as calling them indigenous, which you just called them. The name of India comes from a Greek word which is a cognate of Indigenous. India was named after a Greek word for "by the river".

megafail
 

SneekyNinja

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You probably still call indigenous people of the North America, "Indians".....newsalert, Columbus thought he was lost in.....India.....deluded fucks indeed :)
We call them Native Americans here.

And I know, hence the "West Indies".

What exactly was your point?
 

Fogdog

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talking about revolution on the current oligarchy, buy means of conflict. right

IMHO: that is not an option, no matter how it is executed.

there is no winning solution to a hostile citizen coup.
I don't know of any examples in history where powerful elite surrendered without a fight.

I've seen examples this summer where a very large coalition of peaceful protesters, backed by a small number of disciplined and restrained militant Antifa caused the Alt right to scuttle away. Also examples where the numbers of peaceful protesters weren't large and the Nazis, KKK, alt right caused mayhem. While cops just stood and watched.

History says the powerful elite won't give up power without the threat of violence. Powerful elite won't listen to the passive crowds. Some examples in history shows the combination of massive peaceful protest and the threat of violence can be effective at enacting change for the better.

Is it called a coup when the people taking power are the people? When it's mostly nonviolent? When the actions are massive protest?
 

ttystikk

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Vietnam did a pretty good job in getting rid of the French and American colonizers.
Violence worked because the colonizers routinely used violence to control the native population.

It still took decades and hundreds of thousands of casualties. Is that something we want for our country and children?

I think not, so we need to fully utilize nonviolent methods and approaches first. Violence is the last resort, not the first option.
 

Jimdamick

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Violence worked because the colonizers routinely used violence to control the native population.

It still took decades and hundreds of thousands of casualties. Is that something we want for our country and children?

I think not, so we need to fully utilize nonviolent methods and approaches first. Violence is the last resort, not the first option.
I am a child of the 60's,(a hippie, and proud of it ), and let me tell you something that without the Black Panthers, the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society), the Nation of Islam and the Weathermen, shit all would have happened at that time as far as getting out of Vietnam or the equal treatment of black citizens in the US, as soon as possible.

You had MLK that led his peaceful marches, but it was counterbalanced by the threat of violence from those other groups that I just mentioned, who stated that if the government didn't change it's policies towards Vietnam and civil rights, college campuses and cities would burn down, which they did, and that was a reality which could not be ignored by this country, just like Charlottesville and BLM are doing today.

Those groups told the establishment that your criminal actions will not go unanswered, and by violence if necessary, very much like what Antifa is doing today.

They (Antifa),are at least waking up the American public that something is seriously wrong with this country at this moment, and that complacency is not an option, and that in my opinion is a good thing.

Resist, and fuck Trump
 

abandonconflict

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Violence worked because the colonizers routinely used violence to control the native population.

It still took decades and hundreds of thousands of casualties. Is that something we want for our country and children?

I think not, so we need to fully utilize nonviolent methods and approaches first. Violence is the last resort, not the first option.
You just basically laid out Antifa's approach. This is one of those moments. It's just like how you gripe for hours about Clinton when she has the same fucking policy as Bernard. All this bullshit you spew and then you do a 180 and spell out exactly what you didn't even know you were criticizing.
 

Jimdamick

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Violence became necessary only when the opposition used violence in the service of oppression.

That is not the case here.
So, your saying that there is no oppression "here"?

There has never been more oppression in this country ever, at least not in my lifetime.

Now, again immigrants are a target, Jews are a target, Muslims are a target, LGBTQ is a target, Mexicans are a target, Black men are a target (nothing new there though)
Who else?
Oh, that's right, women are a target now also by the threat of fucking with Planned Parenthood and the scrapping of the equal pay initiative for women that Trump just dumped.

Yea, there's no oppression here, at all.

LOL
 
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