Mark Blyth, the economist who's making sense

[twostrokenut]

Corporations aren't people. They aren't even animals. Or living creatures. What a weird idea you subscribe to.

see there you go back to the real world.

clearly I said "in the eyes of the law corporations are individuals".

if you can't make sense of that then keep showing your ignorance as you are.

 

[Fogdog]

never heard of Bruce walker but misis can explain tulips for you, you seem like you need to know the cause of the mania.

Those two sites were literally the only ones that came up when I searched on "nazis are communists".

Soooo funny that both started out with "nobody who knows anything agrees but we say Nazis are Communists". (I paraphrase).

Almost religious in how they make this argument.

Correction: They use religious lines of logic to make their baseless claim. The only thing Mises doesn't do is invoke God as their source.

 

[Fogdog]

see there you go back to the real world.

clearly I said "in the eyes of the law corporations are individuals".

if you can't make sense of that then keep showing your ignorance as you are.

Corporations aren't people. The law doesn't regulate reality.

 

[zeddd]

Those two sites were literally the only ones that came up when I searched on "nazis are communists".

Soooo funny that both started out with "nobody who knows anything agrees but we say Nazis are Communists". (I paraphrase).

Almost religious in how they make this argument.

Correction: They use religious lines of logic to make their baseless claim. The only thing Mises doesn't do is invoke God as their source.

Appeal to deity is a logical fallacy but this never stops debate, trump is using it now heavily, it portends great acts of imbecility and loss of life, but god's down with it so it's ok. Fuk the enlightenment and the age of reason, MAGA is god's will

 

[twostrokenut]

Those two sites were literally the only ones that came up when I searched on "nazis are communists".

Soooo funny that both started out with "nobody who knows anything agrees but we say Nazis are Communists". (I paraphrase).

Almost religious in how they make this argument.

Correction: They use religious lines of logic to make their baseless claim. The only thing Mises doesn't do is invoke God as their source.

Socialism was the root of any of it, including Mussolini. They were competing with communists for their fair share of the left.

 

[zeddd]

Socialism was the root of any of it, including Mussolini. They were competing with communists for their fair share of the left.

Jesus man go to bed ffs

 

[twostrokenut]

Corporations aren't people. The law doesn't regulate reality.

Where did I say corporations were physical people? I said they were persons and used the term "individuals". You seem not to be able to grasp simple legal concepts, even with the internet at your fingertips. This is why talking to you always ends in a loop.

Sad.

 

[twostrokenut]

Jesus man go to bed ffs

What time is it across the pond there?

So in the beginning, Mussolini wasn't involved in the socialist movement in Switzerland, working for the paper?

 

[zeddd]

What time is it across the pond there?

2240 gin o clock, gg4 vape

 

[Fogdog]

The mislabeled ones.

These are the same short bus riders who keep calling the Nazi Party a socialist organization.

Your ignorance is showing, ty.

Sanders' movement to the right began in May, when he came out in support of Heath Mello, a Mayoral race candidate in Kansas who was anti choice but "Sanders said it's OK, so, it's OK, end of story."

Then there is this article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-sanders-movement-is-only-just-beginning/2016/08/09/228b8744-5d87-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html?utm_term=.a8218e9dd555

The Vermont senator has announced the formation of Our Revolution, which will support progressive candidates up and down the ticket. Organizers from the Sanders campaign have launched Brand New Congress, an ambitious effort to run 400-plus populist candidates for Congress — including independents and Republicans as well as Democrats — in 2018, with “a single, unified campaign with a single plan,” and centralized crowd-sourced financing — small donors contributing to a national pool in a historic effort to transform a Congress that is corrupt and dysfunctional. These new efforts will augment progressive groups like the Working Families Party, MoveOn.org, Democracy for America, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and People’s Action, all of whom are growing in energy and ambition in the wake of the Sanders campaign.

This article was very revealing to me in that it describes Sanders "Our Revoloution" reform effort as extending broad support to Democrats that you would almost definitely call conservative. Also Moderate Republicans who are only moderate in relation to the radical right now in power.

I summed up what I've seen Bernie doing in the post below. The post was in response to Bernie's 2016 presidential policy of free college education for all.

He's going to back off from this position too (prediction). He's showing his strategy and it all involves movement toward the center and policies compatible with moderate liberal and moderate conservative voters who are not happy with extremism in either party.

He's going squishy on health care
He's backing candidates who are anti choice
He's not even mentioning civil rights and racial issues
His "Our Revolution" reform movement is courting moderately conservative Republican candidates
Bernie's policies regarding racial issues do not exist. Social equality makes white people uncomfortable and that's the base he's courting.

He's kind of doing a Democratic version of Reagan's courting of Democratic party white moderate voters. Except Bernie is courting moderate conservatives. White people, mostly.

Campaign finance reform resonates well with these left and right moderates. I think he'll keep this as a centerpiece of his policies. But I think that's the only issue anybody can count on from Bernie right now.

Bernie never was a leftist. Leans left, sure. But best described as moderate fiscal liberal with socially conservative policies. Basically status quo. I've been watching his strongest supporters who post here move more and more to the right too. Not saying they are conservatives but they are moving rightward in rhetoric. I don't think they changed, just they no longer pose to be strongly liberal.

Please don't take this as criticism of Bernie. If he can get corporations, PACs, outsized voice of wealthy donors out of campaign finance it will be a great contribution. We can then work on other issues like soaking the rich to subsidize the education you mention. Maybe healthcare too, although this will be a sticking point with moderate conservatives.

I'll be glad to post links to information that I used to form this opinion. This is an opinion and I might change it with new information. I value your viewpoint and hope you reply back whether you disagree or agree.

Healthcare you might ask? Why am I saying he's moving to the right regarding healthcare? Because he no longer says it's a necessary policy in his "Our Revolution" reform. How is this any different from Feinstein and Clinton, @Padawanbater2 ?

He's still left of center in fiscal policies. Also unwavering in Campaign finance reform. That he's surrendering to systematic and institutional racism in order to cater to the left and right white majority makes him socially conservative to my mind.

 

[Fogdog]

Where did I say corporations were physical people? I said they were persons and used the term "individuals". You seem not to be able to grasp simple legal concepts, even with the internet at your fingertips. This is why talking to you always ends in a loop.

Sad.

An irrational law is valid?

I get that it is well established that corporations are treated as people under the law in the US. This notion is unhinged from reality and creates a lot of distortions in our society. When originally decided in courts that corporations are to be treated as people under the law in early 1800's, corporations weren't these immortal multinational businesses they are today. Other countries regulate them as businesses. Why can't we? It's a dumb law. Change it. duh.

 

[Fogdog]

Appeal to deity is a logical fallacy but this never stops debate, trump is using it now heavily, it portends great acts of imbecility and loss of life, but god's down with it so it's ok. Fuk the enlightenment and the age of reason, MAGA is god's will

Libertarian ideology is based on a number of logical fallacies too. At least their bible, "Atlas shrugged", is listed as fiction.

Science and mathematics? fuck that.

 

[twostrokenut]

to my mind.

ok so here I identified the problem for you.

 

[twostrokenut]

Libertarian ideology is based on a number of logical fallacies too. At least their bible, "Atlas shrugged", is listed as fiction.

Science and mathematics? fuck that.

holy shit list more books you have never read please.

iirc galts gulch was the pinnacle of science and mathematics, which were a reflection of the protagonists ideals.

it even had a fuckin holographic mirage for stealth.

 

[Fogdog]

ok so here I identified the problem for you.

Exactly what I meant. I concede that was an opinion about subjective criteria. I wouldn't mind talking about how Bernie's selling out to systematic racism is a liberal action.

 

[Fogdog]

holy shit list more books you have never read please.

iirc galts gulch was the pinnacle of science and mathematics, which were a reflection of the protagonists ideals.

it even had a fuckin holographic mirage for stealth.

Mises said that they don't believe in science and math. Atlas Shrugged is listed as fiction. Corporations aren't people. Facts.

 

[twostrokenut]

Mises said that they don't believe in science and math. Atlas Shrugged is listed as fiction. Corporations aren't people. Facts.

since I just pointed out the fact you aren't well read on two of those points in all likelihood you haven't read any of the third either.

any more stuff you haven't read that you wish to discuss?

 

[ttystikk]

An irrational law is valid?

I get that it is well established that corporations are treated as people under the law in the US. This notion is unhinged from reality and creates a lot of distortions in our society. When originally decided in courts that corporations are to be treated as people under the law in early 1800's, corporations weren't these immortal multinational businesses they are today. Other countries regulate them as businesses. Why can't we? It's a dumb law. Change it. duh.

We'll only get progress on this when we've undone Citizens United... by whatever means necessary.

 

[Fogdog]

We'll only get progress on this when we've undone Citizens United... by whatever means necessary.

It's my guess that Sanders strategy is exactly that.

 

[Fogdog]

We'll only get progress on this when we've undone Citizens United... by whatever means necessary.

From an article you posted in it's entirety on July 8, 2016. There are plenty of other references from you back then about how evil Democratic party moderates are. You've been sheep dogged, Ty.

Second half;

The people who constitute the Democrats’ upper middle class base don’t get it. They never will. Their struggle is not the working class’s struggle. Their issues can be solved by a game of inches. The working class needs to move miles. The problem in this election is that they were able to convince so many from the working class that doing what is best for them is what is best for everyone in the country. They have that in common with Republican leadership. It’s a con-job on par with trickle-down economics. Touché, upper middle class. Touché.

That said, Bernie is just the beginning of a massive sea change. Much like Republicans, Democratic leadership’s days of getting away with this are preciously numbered.

Bernie's strategy is a game of inches. Retrograde in terms of how he's sweeping systematic racism under the rug where he pushed his corruption investigation.

I don't see any real difference between what Hillary was pushing and what Sanders is now. Except maybe he's worse on social policy. But hey, that will attract moderate white conservatives to what little remains.