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[ttystikk]

they're no longer in a position to do this. all my life i've heard nothing but humpf humpf 'business man' is what we needed from the right and fox. they wanted and they've received. their little sociology project is bust forever and a day. now they cant say anything about Sanders. fuckers. we had to go through Trump so Sanders wont be blocked on 'for all' government. we (they) had to see the dark side.

i don't expect anyone would argue it now so illogical..would you believe bucky crew already has?

Letting business run government is a recipe for fascism.

 

[ttystikk]

kamala harris is too green dont even think about.

Have you listened to her? Can you say young Clintonite?

 

[twostrokenut]

When Nazis shout out "blood and soil", them's fighting words.

"blood and soil" is fighting words for you but "pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" and "scalp collecting" just blip off your radar.

I don't understand the last half of your last sentence.

Sure you don't.

 

[Justin-case]

Sure you don't.

If you don't see a difference, you're probably a nazi.

 

[ttystikk]

He's going to have to do more than impress white voters. You Sandernistas have convinced me that African Americans, Hispanics and rational women were right to pick somebody else. Sanders attracted fickle white voters who would leave social justice issues withering after their own issues were dealt with. They had seen it before.

Pad's insults to pin just spoke volumes about the need for us to coalesce around social equality. Tty's conservative rant against Antifa tells me all I need to know about Sandernista committment to social justice. Your Jew and black people comments stink to high heaven.

Economic justice is a subset of the problems in this society and Sanders pretty much only dealt with that in the 2016 campaign. I'm not writing him off for 2020 but he needs to show that he's more than just a guns and butter candidate. You and your Sandernista brothers are making me leery about Sanders. You folks are despicable when it comes to social justice. Is Sanders like that? 70% if African Americans thought so in 2016. I'm going to follow my black brothers' lead here.

Your ignorant and blatant misrepresentation of my positions tells me that you either don't read them or that you have comprehension problems.

You lie to give yourself cover. It's a dirty trick and you do it often enough that it's obvious that you don't even believe in your own party, you just don't want anyone else to succeed.

 

[ttystikk]

Nope, cant accept that.

America was founded on the principles of fighting fascism.

Fascism is not protected by the Constitution that also guarantees freedom and equal rights to all.

Nazis don't get free speech because they oppose so much else in the document.

As they say, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

No Stinkydigit, America was founded on the principle of fighting aristocracy. Fascism came much later. There was an attempted fascist takeover by a group that included Prescott Bush in the time before the Great Crash of 1929, and a pro Nazi Party in the 1930s. Yes, THAT Bush family.

America has had a hard core racist white supremacist contingent since before the Articles of Independence we signed. That it rears its ugly head every generation or so should be no more of a surprise than the necessity of being forever vigilant against it.

I understand you don't get out much. I saw @StonerCol school you on British politics and the NIH the other day. Apparently you don't read American history much, either.

 

[Fogdog]

Your ignorant and blatant misrepresentation of my positions tells me that you either don't read them or that you have comprehension problems.

You lie to give yourself cover. It's a dirty trick and you do it often enough that it's obvious that you don't even believe in your own party, you just don't want anyone else to succeed.

I absolutely read and comprehend what you are saying. Your antipathy to Antifa making the streets unsafe for anti-freedom Nazis is all I need to point out. Also your support for pad's homophic outrage. Fuck that.

 

[ttystikk]

I don't understand the last half of your last sentence. I never said those things. If you want to deflect to police violence then say so and make your case. To me that's a different subject. A man carrying the Nazi flag who shouts at the crowd: "The Goyim know" is recalling the legacy of 6 million dead as though that was OK. The subject is people who shout at peaceful demonstrators "jew will not replace us", people in Nazi regalia marching with Nazi flags and whether or not it's OK for others to provide police the excuse to shut that protest down.

Nazis, KKK, alt right want a very different country and constitution. They carried and wore symbols of suppression and caused fear on the streets of that city. The history of the KKK and Nazis tells me that without strong opposition, they just continue to press for more and more. They aren't, as @Padawanbater2 said, like lesbians who just want to live normal lives safely alongside everybody else while practicing their own beliefs and lifestyle. Their whole ethos is to take that all away from others if not their lives.

And so they must not be allowed to feel safe when they say that shit.

I'm real sure @Padawanbater2 said nothing of the kind and this is yet another sick attempt on your part to smear and misrepresent someone you can't fight with logic.

You're really starting to get twisted, you know that?

 

[Fogdog]

Sure you don't.

Come back when you have an argument that makes sense.

 

[ttystikk]

I absolutely read and comprehend what you are saying. Your antipathy to Antifa making the streets unsafe for anti-freedom Nazis is all I need to point out. Also your support for pad's homophic outrage. Fuck that.

I'm against anyone making the first move in a potentially violent confrontation. No one has the right to do it. I hate what white supremacists stand for as much as anyone and I'm on record here, many times, as being firmly on the side of inclusiveness, "because we NEED each other". Funny how you ignore all the times I've said that, though.

I speak for myself, and no one else. Yet another smear.

In the absence of a logical argument, you will go full foaming at the mouth rabid psycho, it seems. Whatever, bro- just don't expect me not to call you out on it.

 

[ttystikk]

Come back when you have an argument that makes sense.

Shit. I'm getting old waiting for you to do the exact same thing, hypocrite.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm real sure @Padawanbater2 said nothing of the kind and this is yet another sick attempt on your part to smear and misrepresent someone you can't fight with logic.

You're really starting to get twisted, you know that?

Sandernistas are soooo ignorant. The worst part is in their ignorance they think they are righteous. Pad did absolutely equate and say Nazi demonstrations are the same as demonstrations for equal rights for lesbians.

Take it up with the 1st amendment. I don't agree with anything they're saying, but they damn well have a right to say it. To commit violence towards them is no different from them committing violence towards an LGBT or African American protest for the simple fact that they believe differently.

 

[StonerCol]

Letting business run government is a recipe for fascism.

Democracy and capitalism aren't compatible imo. Capitalism certainly stifles democracy, without a doubt.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm against anyone making the first move in a potentially violent confrontation. No one has the right to do it. I hate what white supremacists attend for as much as anyone and I'm on record here, many times, as being firmly on the side of inclusiveness, "because we NEED each other". Funny how you ignore all the times I've said that, though.

I speak for myself, and no one else. Yet another smear.

In the absence of a logical argument, you will go full foaming at the mouth rabid psycho, it seems. Whatever, bro- just don't expect me not to call you out on it.

The authorities responsible for public safety in Charlottesville stated unequivocally that the violence last weekend was entirely the fault of the white supremacists.

The Governor or Virginia, the Mayor of Charlottesville and the Chief of police of Charlottesville all denied that Antifa were the source of violence last weekend.

You quote is very similar to what Trump said.

Antifa defended the streets of Charlottesville from parading Nazis and KKK in full regalia. Their actions were just. The Nazis caused enough fear and disruption as it was. Then the murderer showed them for who they are.

 

[Fogdog]

Shit. I'm getting old waiting for you to do the exact same thing, hypocrite.

Tell me more about how Democrats are against universal healthcare. Tell me more about how it was OK for pad to insult pin. Tell me more about how Antifa is as bad as KKK. Tell me that I'm a hypocrite for pointing out to you that every one of those actions of yours is off the rails crazy.

 

[Fogdog]

Anticipating another "prove I said it post" from somebody who must have been born with his umbilical cord choking of blood to his brain and lost the ability to remember recent events. Buck made a good point. Too bad you can't remember it.

When/if they attack you, personally, in a way that you're protected from by law.

AND NOT UNTIL THEN.

But such fine distinctions are lost in your increasingly polemic brand of hate speech.

so you're saying wait for a nazi to kill someone i love before i do anything?

nah

 

[Padawanbater2]

"All you people so gung-ho about punching Nazis: go do it. See what fucking happens. Go to one of these rallies and just cold cock one of these guys in the face. Do you think he's going to get back up and say "Oh now I get it! I shouldn't hate non Christan whites. Man this whole racism thing sure is silly huh?" Do think the rest of the rally is just going to stand there and let it go without incident? You you think these people aren't just wanting to bait you into violence just so they can respond with another car ramming into a crowd? Or maybe they'll use those guns for more than show next time.

You think you won't make these people more radicalized by threatening violence to silence them? You think you won't be justifying their narrative that the left is out to get the white man? And how far are you willing to take this? What if punching them doesn't stop them? Why not just put them in camps, deprive them of their rights, and keep their horrible ideology separate from the rest of us? Fuck why not just kill them? They're just Nazi scum. It's not like they're people or anything. And who's to say who a Nazi is? Are we all just going to agree on some criteria? Are you just going to just decide for yourself? Do any of you think you have the moral clarity to be judge, jury, and exucutioner?

Nothing good will come of this. You will only contribute to the problem and put more lives at risk. They are horrible people with a horrible ideology, but they have every right to say it. And you have every right to denounce them in the harshest possible terms. But you don't have the right to maim and kill your fellow man because you disagree with them. Let law enforcement do their jobs and deal with the criminals in these groups that break the law. This violent, unconstitutional brand of street justice isn't the path we want to go down. And it isn't what any reasonable interpretation of Captain America would want you to do."

-BookerDraper - Reddit

 

[schuylaar]

Have you listened to her? Can you say young Clintonite?

exactly.

 

[SneekyNinja]

No Stinkydigit, America was founded on the principle of fighting aristocracy. Fascism came much later. There was an attempted fascist takeover by a group that included Prescott Bush in the time before the Great Crash of 1929, and a pro Nazi Party in the 1930s. Yes, THAT Bush family.

America has had a hard core racist white supremacist fascist contingent since before the Articles of Independence we signed. That it rears its ugly head every generation or so should be no more of a surprise than the necessity of being forever vigilant against it.

I understand you don't get out much. I saw @StonerCol school you on British politics and the NIH the other day. Apparently you don't read American history much, either.

You're an idiot, the country was formed to escape tyrannical rule and to ensure it never prospered.

Is fascism tyranny or not?

As to the rest, he lost the argument about the NHS and admitted as much.

Want a 700 step plan? For someone who posts so much fake news you're extremely arrogant.

 

[schuylaar]

Sandernistas are soooo ignorant. The worst part is in their ignorance they think they are righteous. Pad did absolutely equate and say Nazi demonstrations are the same as demonstrations for equal rights for lesbians.

if you break down padas post, it doesnt say what you think. comprehension is off. sorry.