twostrokenut
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so in your assessment,
racist white trash candidate =/= Nazi
yet in almost all other posts you liken trump and supporters to Nazis and white trash Willy nilly.
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so in your assessment,
racist white trash candidate =/= Nazi
Padawanbater2
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Sanders Deflects FOX Question on FBI Probe, Gives Health Care Criticism Instead
ttystikk
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Fascism can happen in America and in fact has happened before;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/17/fascism-history-united-states
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/17/fascism-history-united-states
the republicans?
MAGA by facism.
Fogdog
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Padawanbater2
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Fox and right wing media can't stop claiming Sanders is a communist and his agenda would destroy America
Your claims are baseless. You can't argue with facts so you distort with nonsense
Fogdog
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Tell me again about that DNC smear campaign you said D W S led in W VA. You know, the one that never happened? That anti-universal healthcare Democratic party you can't stand exists only in your mind.
Facts elude you.
Fogdog
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Yep. First amendment. Just like I have the right to oppose the very fascists who would end it.
Germans experienced the real deal and they don't think fascists are healthy for democracy. They know what happens when marches like the one in Charlottesville go unopposed:
“defensive democracy.” The idea is that democracies might need a boost from some illiberal policies — such as limits on free speech and the display of imagery, in this case, connected to the Holocaust and the Second World War — in order to keep everyone free. In 2009 the law was strengthened again, when the German Constitutional Court officially ruled that a march to celebrate Nazi Rudolf Hess was illegal under Article 130 of the Penal Code, which bans anything that "approves of, glorifies or justifies the violent and despotic rule of the National Socialists."
“Our German law centers on the strong belief that you should hinder this kind of speech in a society committed to principles of democratic coexistence and peace,” Matthias Jahn, a law professor at Goethe University in Frankfurt, told the Washington Post this week.
Nazis don't recognize free speech or the rights of others, nor were they rallying to protect free speech on Friday and Saturday last week in Charlottesville. 1st Amendment allows that march, so government was forced to issue a permit to a "free speech" group that has no intention of protecting free speech for everybody.
Without a legal system to shut down the fascist march, the people of Charlottesville performed the act of defensive democracy. Antifa's strategy was perfect and beautiful. They let Nazis hurl fighting words, responded appropriately, then the police shut down the march due to safety concerns. Instead of leaving the city as ordered, fascists went out into the neighborhoods and were followed and harassed until the police could arrive to move them along.
The people ultimately responsible for the safety of people in Charlottesville are on record of saying all of the violence of the weekend was due to actions of the white supremacists. To back their claims, they point out that nobody was hospitalized and no property damage took place due to actions by Antifa. The only property damage, death and hospitalizations came at the hands of the murderous Nazi after the main events were over. I'm in awe at the restraint shown on both sides to avoid more violent escalation during the heat of events on that Saturday morning.
We have the first amendment protecting speech from government action. And so it's up to us, the citizens of each and every burg in this country who enjoy the right of free speech to protect it from fascists, racists, bigots and Bernie Supporters who look more and more different from Bernie every day.
Nobody should feel safe walking any street in this country holding aloft the Nazi flag.
twostrokenut
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hecklers veto.
Fogdog
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A legitimate tool to defend against fascism.
Padawanbater2
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WikiLeaks: Democratic Party officials appear to discuss using Sanders’s faith against him
The evidence is available to anyone that wants to see it. You deny it because it adds credibility to the idea that the DNC failed to remain neutral during the primary. Then you move the goalposts to "Well, they may have done it but it didn't change anything", same excuse for the debate questions the DNC fed the Clinton campaign in Michigan
Which party killed it in CA and CO? Which party adopted a right wing healthcare policy designed by the Heritage Foundation with a supermajority in congress and control of the White House?
Fogdog
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LOL, you still are taken in by fake news. The e-mails released by sicknweak were from back office nobodies. There was no smear campaign in West VA. I'm not moving goalposts, weasel, I'm saying there was no smear campaign against Sanders in West VA and the discussion never left the back office. They shouldn't have even discussed it. But that's not your complaint. You are completely lost and believe fake news. A simple check regarding facts will confirm what I said. But you are too much of a coward to suck it up and admit you are wrong.
The voters killed the universal healthcare bill in Colorado. Tty said it's because voters didn't want to pay for it. 80% of people polled say they want free healthcare. Well yeah. When the cost is toted up and the bill is presented with the legislation, support dropped to 20%. I would have been one of those 20% if I lived in Co, by the way.
twostrokenut
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hill v colorado
Fogdog
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they're no longer in a position to do this. all my life i've heard nothing but humpf humpf 'business man' is what we needed from the right and fox. they wanted and they've received. their little sociology project is bust forever and a day. now they cant say anything about Sanders. fuckers. we had to go through Trump so Sanders wont be blocked on 'for all' government. we (they) had to see the dark side.
i don't expect anyone would argue it now so illogical..would you believe bucky crew already has?
a simple check..of..facts?
and yet you post none. just diatribe word vomit.
SneekyNinja
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Too green? She's an attorney, ex AG of California and a Senator.
What are Bernie's qualifications, his age? His porn novels? How to defraud a bank?
Fogdog
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LOL You just can't leave rigged alone, can you?a simple check..of..facts?
Here is an article sympathetic to your belief: I could have pulled up a counter argument but this one is honest and provides facts that we can discuss.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/03/leaked-dnc-emails-confirm-anti-sanders-conspiracy/
But it goes much further, and indeed gets even more unethical, than just collusion between corporate media and the DNC. The emails also reveal attempts to smear Sanders with quite literally any information that might damage him in key primary states. For instance, this email exchange between top DNC officials shows that they intended to “get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. [sic] He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.” Clearly, in Kentucky and West Virginia, the DNC wanted to use Sanders’s religious beliefs, or lack thereof, against him. Such tactics are, to put it bluntly, reprehensible.
I'm telling you, that's pretty bad. DNC shouldn't have done it. And yet,
Where is there anything that says it actually went beyond some back room talk? An e-mail echange at the DNC did happen. Nott between "top DNC" but back room hacks. End of story. I can't find anything about it actually making the level you Sandernistas claim. This bullshit never left the office. Maybe you can show me where this plot made it into the press as a smear campaign. I can't find it. So show me.
Reprehensible? yep. Unethical on the part of the people who wrote those e-mails? yep
You work in an office. I have plenty of experience there too. There is always some idiot who says idiotic things that go nowhere. As far as I can tell, this whole story amounts to back office chatter.
Before you go off fulminating about evil DNC, recall that a result of this scandal was cleaning house, rewriting DNC rules with Sanders staff contributing to it, and the firing of DWS, who is never mentioned as involved in this mess. She was in charge and therefore accountable but DWS isn't attributed as participating in this mess.
Pad is propagating a fake news story in the best of the useful idiot tradition. There was no smear campaign that claimed Sanders was an atheist coming from the DNC or DWS. Never happened. Prove me wrong. .
I fully expect @Padawanbater2 or some other useful idiot to dredge this BS back up. I'll laugh at them too.
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