The DNC Reports Lowest Fundraising Since 2003

dagwood45431

dagwood45431

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Padawanbater2 said:
Endless excuses

A few of us mentioned this would happen back after the election. The DNC and Democratic party have exhausted all their credibility after being exposed during the primary and after during the defense of their actions while on trial. They said they get to pick the winner regardless of the vote, as it turns out, that doesn't instil much confidence or trust in the system. Nobody wants to give their time or money to an organization that outright claims they can do whatever they want.
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Fatigue is an endless excuse? You're not even trying anymore. Please, continue on with your whine. You are part of the fatigue, I'm afraid.
 
Padawanbater2

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dagwood45431 said:
Fatigue is an endless excuse? You're not even trying anymore. Please, continue on with your whine. You are part of the fatigue, I'm afraid.
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Fatigue is the excuse you used so you don't have to actually address the real issue of why Democrats can't raise money when the biggest joke in America is walking the halls of the white house and the GOP is destroying everything Democrats have worked for for decades. Nobody is giving them money because they scammed the American people. Now the American people can't trust them. There is no viable opposition party in America, just cowards who wear blue ties and accept corporate bribes, just a little less than Republicans...

The future does not look good for establishment Democrats
 
SneekyNinja

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Padawanbater2 said:
Fatigue is the excuse you used so you don't have to actually address the real issue of why Democrats can't raise money when the biggest joke in America is walking the halls of the white house and the GOP is destroying everything Democrats have worked for for decades. Nobody is giving them money because they scammed the American people. Now the American people can't trust them. There is no viable opposition party in America, just cowards who wear blue ties and accept corporate bribes, just a little less than Republicans...

The future does not look good for establishment Democrats
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When you gonna come out as a Republican?
 
Padawanbater2

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You would think the DNC would be breaking fundraising records seeing the state of the GOP and the Trump administration..

It looks like their gamble of courting corporations over constituents isn't working out so well for them..
 
Bugeye

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Trump will likely be the unifying factor for the party at some point soon, but a lot of distrust is still there, rightfully so.
 
Padawanbater2

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Bugeye said:
Trump will likely be the unifying factor for the party at some point soon, but a lot of distrust is still there, rightfully so.
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The only thing that will unify the establishment and progressive wings of the Democratic party is if the establishment wing chooses to stop accepting money from special interests. If they don't, the progressive wing is happy to purge establishment politicians from the party and elect politicians who will.
 
Bugeye

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Padawanbater2 said:
The only thing that will unify the establishment and progressive wings of the Democratic party is if the establishment wing chooses to stop accepting money from special interests. If they don't, the progressive wing is happy to purge establishment politicians from the party and elect politicians who will.
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I see special interests as just about everyone. I say take the money and win.
 
Padawanbater2

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Bugeye said:
I see special interests as just about everyone. I say take the money and win.
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Special interests are corporations and superPACs. Establishment Democrats are slowly realizing the jig is up; they can't court both special interests and constituents anymore because constituents are realizing how politicians always represent big donors over little ones, case in point - universal healthcare, they can't choose only special interests because then they lose their voter base. The only option for success available is to abandon special interests and only accept direct contributions from individual donors by supporting a strong progressive message and actual progressive policy positions.

The only question in my mind is how many more elections will the Democratic leadership have to lose before they realize this?
 
Bugeye

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Padawanbater2 said:
Special interests are corporations and superPACs. Establishment Democrats are slowly realizing the jig is up; they can't court both special interests and constituents anymore because constituents are realizing how politicians always represent big donors over little ones, case in point - universal healthcare, they can't choose only special interests because then they lose their voter base. The only option for success available is to abandon special interests and only accept direct contributions from individual donors by supporting a strong progressive message and actual progressive policy positions.

The only question in my mind is how many more elections will the Democratic leadership have to lose before they realize this?
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So let's say the dems decide not to take money from corporations or superpacs while the repubs still do. You think dems can match them in fundraising?
 
Padawanbater2

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Bugeye said:
So let's say the dems decide not to take money from corporations or superpacs while the repubs still do. You think dems can match them in fundraising?
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I think they can exceed them in fundraising, all from small, individual donations, and absolutely destroy the GOP in every national election for the foreseeable future

That's what FDR did and that's why we have the 22nd amendment
 
Bugeye

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Padawanbater2 said:
I think they can exceed them in fundraising, all from small, individual donations, and absolutely destroy the GOP in every national election for the foreseeable future

That's what FDR did and that's why we have the 22nd amendment
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I admire your conviction! I guess I'm a little skeptical on it working out that way, but it is a nice vision.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
You would think the DNC would be breaking fundraising records seeing the state of the GOP and the Trump administration..

It looks like their gamble of courting corporations over constituents isn't working out so well for them..
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Who donates to the DNC? I've never donated to the DNC. Only ever to candidates and to support initiatives by my congressmen. Who, by the way are clean, progressive, anti-right wing and popular with their constituents.

Congressional Democrat fund raising is up.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-05-04/democratic-donation-tracker-spikes-after-gop-health-care-bill-passes-house

The DNC isn't directly chartered to raise funds for congressional races. You might not have noticed but we just had a presidential election during which the Democrats were very competitive both in popular support and fund raising.

Are you so stupid that you just focus on one bit of cherry picked data to justify your world view?
 
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Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
So let's say the dems decide not to take money from corporations or superpacs while the repubs still do. You think dems can match them in fundraising?
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Do you think the country is just one big flat monoculture? Idiot

The answer to your question is: It depends.
 
Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
I was happy with the answer i got and I apologize to you for nothing.
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You are right, I should also have lumped the neo-Republican in the idiot category.
Padawanbater2 said:
I think they can exceed them in fundraising, all from small, individual donations, and absolutely destroy the GOP in every national election for the foreseeable future

That's what FDR did and that's why we have the 22nd amendment
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Do you both think the country is just one big flat monoculture? Idiots

The answer to the question, "is corporate funding necessary for candidates to be competitive?" is: It depends.
 
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