Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

[esh dov ets]

Let me guess, you're on disability and want lots of free shit?

Because I'm about as left as they come and I think you're completely insane.

You expect savings, eating out and hobbies covered in UBI? That's just ridiculous, I'm sorry but it is.

disability plus ubi would be like 1800 a mo. that's not savings or free shit that's rent and food, just like minimum minimum wage. even if you add another grand it's only adding a social life and a hobbies or travel or a kid . you don't read much of what i write. what do u do for work again? since i answered u when u asked me.

 

[esh dov ets]

Relating to the bit in yellow. There is a problem when you start using tax to supplement too low pay by employers.
They keep all the profits but the taxpayer carries the part of the burden.

I say this as someone who is medically disabled, Luckily I'm in Africa and we have better laws than you were it comes to protection of employment.

what profits? disability goes directly into the economy.
the small business owners might as well pay small tax. the big companies can afford full benefits and full pay. if they can't do that they are morally wrong and yes it should be a crime. but there is still min wage jobs and a whole class of people that need ubi

 

[esh dov ets]

taxes are unfairly disproportionate btwn the rich and the poor.

 

[esh dov ets]

they raise taxes on the poor, then get the poor to be against raising taxes, when it's taxes on the wealthy that are needed.

 

[esh dov ets]

tax income over 400,000 a year and holdings of a billion or more and fund ubi

 

[StonerCol]

Don't like the pay, don't take the job. Nobody is being exploited.

Nobody is being exploited? Really?
Businesses do it all the time. Many business owners see it as part of their business strategy, to get as much out of people for the least amount of money possible. I used to work for a company that did exactly that, leaving me mentally broken.
The law in the UK is even on the side of these business owners because for most of the past 40 years, since Margaret Thatcher & Reagan (Who shared the same economic philosophy) employment laws have discriminated against the workers.
In my case I was told the law couldn't help me because I didn't have any evidence. What evidence was I supposed to have other than the facts of my mental illness that I didn't have when I started working at the company?

The whole system is based upon putting profit before people. Just one example - why is it acceptable for businesses to hold money offshore yet individuals cannot? As I said, the whole system is skewed in favour of the corporations because that is where the money - and political donations - comes from.

 

[SneekyNinja]

disability plus ubi would be like 1800 a mo. that's not savings or free shit that's rent and food, just like minimum minimum wage. even if you add another grand it's only adding a social life and a hobbies or travel or a kid . you don't read much of what i write. what do u do for work again? since i answered u when u asked me.

Your post was quite difficult to read.

Why are you disagreeing with me if that's all you propose?

I proposed like 2k+ a month per person UBI to completely replace welfare.

Software development...

 

[esh dov ets]

Your post was quite difficult to read.

Why are you disagreeing with me if that's all you propose?

I proposed like 2k+ a month per person UBI to completely replace welfare.

Software development...

u disagreed with me, without reading what i wrote. i may not have read your previous post but you started arguing with me.
people need 2000 a mo min. if you get 2000 if you are unemployed that's good. ir min wage is raised to 15$ an hour now or 17 in a couple years or 20 within 5-10 ubi would likely be set around 1000 for min wage earners. disability needs to get the equal of min wage and min wage needs to be raised to accommodate sufficient standards of living which under capitalism is 2-3k and we need something to compensate the non disabled out of work. currently there isn't more then 500 a mo available to them. because of the stigma on being poor and out of work. instead of an understanding of the systems of capitalism and racism and the broken conscience of the elite.

 

[esh dov ets]

@SneekyNinja what do you do for work?

 

[esh dov ets]

high school?

 

[SneekyNinja]

@SneekyNinja what do you do for work?

I already said what I do in my previous post when you asked.

So let me get this straight, I say let's replace all welfare with a 2k a month payment to all adults and you disagree and say "ugh but we need 2k a month"...?

 

[esh dov ets]

so everyone gets 2000 to the penny. no other forms of assistance are offered. min wage makes 1800. now people who can work get 3800. that's a living wage. how much do the disabled get now? 2000. that's basic food and shelter only. not equal to the workers. why are the disabled not treated equally?

 

[SneekyNinja]

so everyone gets 2000 to the penny. no other forms of assistance are offered. min wage makes 1800. now people who can work get 3800. that's a living wage. how much do the disabled get now? 2000. that's basic food and shelter only. not equal to the workers. why are the disabled not treated equally?

Because it's not realistic.

Do people on disability currently get the same as what a working person earns?

 

[esh dov ets]

Because it's not realistic.

Do people on disability currently get the same as what a working person earns?

they are supposed to. why shouldn't they? what's unrealistic about it.?

 

[esh dov ets]

why do we need money to buy things any way? how can there ever be equality without income equality or a non capitalist system of distribution

 

[ANC]

Over here it is 75%. Sounds like a good deal? But then comes the discrepancy between real inflation and reported inflation. Before you know it, you are earning as much as the guy on the back of the garbage truck.

 

[esh dov ets]

you get 75% of what a garbage man gets?
if you paid into social security and can o longer work you can get checks. if you also have a disability you can get ssdi and social security. there are different forms of social security .
so you have 900 ssdi + social security. and you say you get above min wage. that's good.

 

[SneekyNinja]

they are supposed to. why shouldn't they? what's unrealistic about it.?

I think we first need to have a discussion about what it means it to be "disabled".

If it means you have extra special requirements that cost money then yes they should be covered.

But is it the responsibility of the Govt to provide for a lifestyle as opposed to basic subsistence?

Is 2k a month not good enough to just be handed?

What about 2.5k?

You've obviously got skin in the game so I don't know if it's logical to debate someone so emotionally involved.

 

[fdd2blk]

In other words, sponging off other hardworking taxpayers.

Not just stupid, but hypocritical too!

You kind of had to be there.

 

[fdd2blk]

lets say for the sake of argument that it is food , shelter, privacy , transportation, clothing , utilities and phone. that's min for slave labour and for that you need 15 an hour full time. you also need to be able to eat out sometimes, so $17 an hour full time. Add Internet, a hobbie\s and a social life as necessitates because they are requirements for psychological fulfillment; min. is 2400-3600 a mo. add savings and opportunity 3600-5000 a mo. new cars and a house coming from savings is 5000-8000 new expensive shit from salary is over 8000 a month. you can't have kids without the Christians trying to take them , with less then a double $3000 a mo income

You just pulled all that out of thin air. It has no relevance to anything.