Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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fdd2blk said:
That's not how it's supposed to work. It was never meant to work that way. "Minimum wage" is exactly that. It is meant to be the minimum amount a person can pay someone to work for them. The least amount of labor will get you the least amount of pay. Minimum work = Minimum wage. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Minimum wage is meant to coincide with the minimum amount to live on.
Minimum work does not correlate with min wage, in fact often the opposite is true.
And i agree, why is it so hard for you to understand? Its like you somehow feel threatened by someone earning a livable min wage.
 
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fdd2blk

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Lucky Luke said:
Minimum wage is meant to coincide with the minimum amount to live on.
Minimum work does not correlate with min wage, in fact often the opposite is true.
And i agree, why is it so hard for you to understand? Its like you somehow feel threatened by someone earning a livable min wage.
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What is a "living wage"? Does that mean enough money to rent a small room and be able to buy groceries? Or does it mean you should be paid enough to afford a house with a two car garage? There are so many variables that apply that it's hard to specifically come up with a "living wage".
 
UncleBuck

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fdd2blk said:
What is a "living wage"? Does that mean enough money to rent a small room and be able to buy groceries? Or does it mean you should be paid enough to afford a house with a two car garage? There are so many variables that apply that it's hard to specifically come up with a "living wage".
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not everyone is as confused as you are.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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fdd2blk said:
That's not how it's supposed to work. It was never meant to work that way. "Minimum wage" is exactly that. It is meant to be the minimum amount a person can pay someone to work for them. The least amount of labor will get you the least amount of pay. Minimum work = Minimum wage. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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"Minimum wage" should be the min wage a person can live off. what state in the u.s. can someone live on min wage without debt or help or digging a hole?
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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ttystikk said:
Universal Basic Income, for one.

If I understand you correctly, you think healthcare needs should not be charged to the UBI, and I agree. That's why we need universal healthcare- it would solve this problem.
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i could set terms for ubi. if that's what you mean. it must be separate from health care and not cancel out what you refer to as welfare.
are you clear on the differences btwn (1.welfare , gr ,ga, and (2.ssi, sssdi and (3. non government assistance, food banks wic stamps food not bombs (4.ubi ?
and you see why it needs to not cancel out the first three?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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fdd2blk said:
What is a "living wage"? Does that mean enough money to rent a small room and be able to buy groceries? Or does it mean you should be paid enough to afford a house with a two car garage? There are so many variables that apply that it's hard to specifically come up with a "living wage".
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Im not a economist and have done 0 research on how to calculate that but im sure some smart research people, govt and charities would have some answers. Take the avg of those results and use that.???

But if asked, id suggest taking the avg rental price, avg power bill, and avg of all household bills and any bills in general from a country perspective and add it up.. Whatever the number is divide by how many people are in the avg per household. That should reduce the total figure to under avg and would meen you would be around a living wage, with very little disposable income.


Ive had a couple of dabs and hope i make sense...
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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fdd2blk said:
What is a "living wage"? Does that mean enough money to rent a small room and be able to buy groceries? Or does it mean you should be paid enough to afford a house with a two car garage? There are so many variables that apply that it's hard to specifically come up with a "living wage".
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lets say for the sake of argument that it is food , shelter, privacy , transportation, clothing , utilities and phone. that's min for slave labour and for that you need 15 an hour full time. you also need to be able to eat out sometimes, so $17 an hour full time. Add Internet, a hobbie\s and a social life as necessitates because they are requirements for psychological fulfillment; min. is 2400-3600 a mo. add savings and opportunity 3600-5000 a mo. new cars and a house coming from savings is 5000-8000 new expensive shit from salary is over 8000 a month. you can't have kids without the Christians trying to take them , with less then a double $3000 a mo income
 
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esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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state licenses Christian organizations and Christian fundamentalists run policy. not very separation of church and state
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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I was once a Catholic school boy, in the choir..took me years to deprogram myself and sometimes still catch myself thinking the propaganda way, especially in times of negative life stuff.
Came across an old cheap rosary bead the other day in a rubbish removal i did. (at way over what some would consider the min hrly rate of "unskilled labor"). Could not throw it in the tip....its sitting on my kitchen counter, ill have to give it to someone as throwing it away feels bad...
 
ANC

ANC

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esh dov ets said:
@ttystikk ;;;
doesView attachment 3965760 that answer your question. there is a distinction btwn ubi and other forms or assistance respectively >
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Relating to the bit in yellow. There is a problem when you start using tax to supplement too low pay by employers.
They keep all the profits but the taxpayer carries the part of the burden.

I say this as someone who is medically disabled, Luckily I'm in Africa and we have better laws than you were it comes to protection of employment.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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esh dov ets said:
lets say for the sake of argument that it is food , shelter, privacy , transportation, clothing , utilities and phone. that's min for slave labour and for that you need 15 an hour full time. you also need to be able to eat out sometimes, so $17 an hour full time. Add Internet, a hobbie\s and a social life as necessitates because they are requirements for psychological fulfillment; min. is 2400-3600 a mo. add savings and opportunity 3600-5000 a mo. new cars and a house coming from savings is 5000-8000 new expensive shit from salary is over 8000 a month. you can't have kids without the Christians trying to take them , with less then a double $3000 a mo income
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Let me guess, you're on disability and want lots of free shit?

Because I'm about as left as they come and I think you're completely insane.

You expect savings, eating out and hobbies covered in UBI? That's just ridiculous, I'm sorry but it is.

Why can't we just give all adults something like 2k a month?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ANC said:
Relating to the bit in yellow. There is a problem when you start using tax to supplement too low pay by employers.
They keep all the profits but the taxpayer carries the part of the burden.

I say this as someone who is medically disabled, Luckily I'm in Africa and we have better laws than you were it comes to protection of employment.
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That's an easy remedy; tax the company.

Bill Gates has proposed a tax on robot 'labor' in order to help fund a UBI.
 
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