ttystikk
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So you're happy with the Chump?
Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US
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SneekyNinja
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Not at all.
How does that hold any relevance to the conversation?
Read this and try absorb it before replying again:
Sanders couldn't even win amongst Democrats.
ttystikk
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Sanders didn't win against determined efforts to scuttle his campaign through any means necessary.
Think about the effect closed primaries had on his candidacy.
SneekyNinja
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Whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night...
Sanders couldn't win amongst Democrats and you expect Trump voters would buy what he's selling?
It's delusional people like you weakened the Democrats this cycle, you can call Trump voters nuts or whatever, you guys at the left wing version.
JaJaJaJa
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Bernie lost a rigged game and still put up a hell of a fight. Between the huge numbers of superdelegates who were for Hillary before the thing even began, the rigged primaries like the one in NY, and the DNC shenanigans he never really stood a chance. It's impressive that he did as well as he did. Jesus himself could have come back and ran as a Dem and Hillary still would have been handed the nomination. I mean it was HER turn and all....
Unclebaldrick
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Actually I think he would have won in the general. So many of the Trump voters were more interested in "change" than they were the idea of President Cheetoh.
Christianiadelic
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You certainly have a history with communism which to this day hurts the prospects of social reform. I suppose Noam Chomsky did a piece on it. I think people are manipulated into being fearful and selfish. I suppose he did a piece on that too. It's worth a read.
I believe that if I take someone's problems seriously, then they too will hear me out. That's my experience. Sometimes I have to take to first step and put myself in a vulnerable position (e.g. admit to my 'opponent' just how little I actually know or that my motivations are actually opportunistic) but it makes room for trust and it makes room for working with the aspects of psyche that are not particularly bright or rational.
We are all naked so why pretend otherwise?
Unclebaldrick
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Because some of us ^^^^^ have tiny penii.
SneekyNinja
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Nah they wanted someone to tear shit up; it was a protest that Trump took ownership of and now they're lapping his shit up (cucks).
Padawanbater2
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Go watch the West Virginia town hall meeting where Sanders get's an entire room of Trump voters to applaud his policy positions
Establishment Democratic platitudes can't do that. It's clear what the winning strategy is, you can get behind it or continue to push corporatist candidates and continue to lose elections.
The loss of the majority of state legislatures, loss of a supermajority in the senate, loss of 69 congressmen in the house, 12 governors and now the presidency and the supreme court...
These policies clearly fail. Explain why you want to stick with them without bringing up Bernie Sanders.
Grandpapy
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Right, you keep believing that.
Exxon Mobil Corp. agreed to sell stakes in its West Qurna-1 oil project in Iraq to PetroChina Co.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304017204579225492213548538
Icebreaker's are being built at this moment with Tax dollars to insure oil for china. The good side to that, we have potholes (more jobs) but no Social Security.
Unclebaldrick
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We also have a large country and diverse population. This makes it easy to ignore the idea of community while still preaching about the "good old days" we learned about on tv. We feel disconnected from each other and therefore do not feel remotely responsible for people who are different from us. On top of that, we suffer from the myth of the "rugged, independent American" that is so in vogue with our young closeted homosexuals.
I don't suspect Denmark has about 40% of their population that believes in doing away with pretty much all social programs - do you?
Not sure what is around the next bend for us. More than any other time in my life.
Padawanbater2
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Trump received 483,751 votes in the Republican primary in Michigan
Sanders received 595,222 votes in the Democratic primary in Michigan
~20% more votes
Extrapolating that data to the general election, Sanders v. Trump, Sanders could very well have won Michigan with 2,735,766 votes
Who want's to guess Ohio and Pennsylvania don't show similar numbers?
SneekyNinja
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They voted Trump, they're fickle and stupid and that's your point?
SANDERS LOST, EVEN AMONGST DEMOCRATS.
PCXV
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Not every person is plain stupid for voting Trump, many of them are trying to hold him accountable to his dozens of contradicting campaign promises. I don't fully understand the optimism in a billionaire novice pollitician with no filter, but I understand why people like some of the thinge he says. Sanders could have possibly won, but I wouldn't say it was a sure thing.
Padawanbater2
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Do you believe calling Trump voters "fickle and stupid", racist/sexist/xenophobic, etc. is a winning strategy moving forward for the Democratic party?
Right, he won 47% of the vote and 22 states in a rigged primary. You like to bring up the fact he lost, but never admit the fact that the primary was rigged against him. Claiming victory because you won a rigged election is about as legitimate as Charlie Zelenoff's boxing career and equally as impressive.
SneekyNinja
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Padawanbater2
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Exactly, he has populist rhetoric. Sanders actually has populist policy positions. That's why many people who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders and why he undoubtedly would have won the general election. To deny that at this point is to deny the facts of reality.