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[Padawanbater2]

it was literally national news. even cletus and joe McSisterfucker get national news.

So where's the evidence that's what led to the loss?

probably closer ro 20-25%, if the polls can be believed.

How do you address 1 in 4 Democrats within the party being racist?

manufacturing jobs increased under obama. taxes went down under obama. there was an even "making work pay" tax credit under obama.

should he have just barnstormed through rural michigan sucking the dicks of racist white rural dwellers?

How much did the minimum wage go up? How much did the Obama administration affect college costs?

There are notable policies Obama has been responsible for that have benefitted the working class, but it's simply foolish to deny the strikes, especially in the way of healthcare. The ACA is a step in the right direction, but it falls short. The advancement of NSA spying and restrictions on internet freedom are other areas where the Obama administration have failed abysmally.

If somebody asked me, I'd say I thought he was overall a good president, but his failures to serve the American people are magnified in electing Trump to ultimate power. It simply cannot be denied.

To be clear, I wholeheartedly lay blame at the feet of Hillary Clinton, and while I think Obama did well, relatively speaking, during his time as president, he still holds a portion of the blame as the head of the Democratic party in choosing not to prioritize the things that have led to Trump's victory.

yeah, but a 70 year old (fake) billionaire who stiffs contractors, buys chinese steel, and said to let the auto industry die is the friend of the rural midwestern. got it.

Yeah, the character he played during the election was. It doesn't have to be real, people just have to believe it. Not so for the Democrats, they've had 8 years to tally up some results, and the American people have looked at their record during that time and have decided it's not enough. It's time for a change. You can mark that up to the American people being stupid or sexist or racist or whatever, but because the Democrats stepped up for Wall St. and told ol' Joe USA to go fuck himself and take his pennies elsewhere, that their buddies will finance their reelection bids and that essentially, they don't matter, who could blame working class Americans for going with a guy who tells them he'll bring back their jobs and lower their healthcare costs and get rid of the trade agreements that have led to their circumstances in the first place? That resonates a little more than identity politics.

easiest prediction ever. democrats will be defending 25 senate seats in 2018, the GOP only 8. and the democrats have way more seats to defend in republican states than the GOP has to defend in blue states.

If actual progressives run, they'll win. If your retarded party decides to run more establishment shills, they'll lose.

It's actually pretty simple logic to follow; you run republican light against an actual republican, you're going to lose. People want an actual progressive, actual progressives can win. You can't win because nobody buys what you're selling.

you are a hack and a spoiled little bernie-child. just vote trump, he earned your vote in 2020 with tulsi gabbard.

Your opinion means very little to me at this point. Both you and londonfog were embarrassingly wrong about this election when at least 3 different people called it 100% to the tee. Hit me up when you get some credibility built up

 

[ttystikk]

Good debate.

I agree that is time for the Democratic Party to take a good hard look at itself and decide if lying down with Wall Street is the only option. Cuz I think that line of thinking is only destined to keep delivering American power into increasingly fascist hands.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Just like 2008.

When will they learn it's no longer up to the elites?

Is that why a large group of dumbfuckos elected a billionaire?

 

[st0wandgrow]

So where's the evidence that's what led to the loss?

How do you address 1 in 4 Democrats within the party being racist?

How much did the minimum wage go up? How much did the Obama administration affect college costs?

There are notable policies Obama has been responsible for that have benefitted the working class, but it's simply foolish to deny the strikes, especially in the way of healthcare. The ACA is a step in the right direction, but it falls short. The advancement of NSA spying and restrictions on internet freedom are other areas where the Obama administration have failed abysmally.

If somebody asked me, I'd say I thought he was overall a good president, but his failures to serve the American people are magnified in electing Trump to ultimate power. It simply cannot be denied.

To be clear, I wholeheartedly lay blame at the feet of Hillary Clinton, and while I think Obama did well, relatively speaking, during his time as president, he still holds a portion of the blame as the head of the Democratic party in choosing not to prioritize the things that have led to Trump's victory.

Yeah, the character he played during the election was. It doesn't have to be real, people just have to believe it. Not so for the Democrats, they've had 8 years to tally up some results, and the American people have looked at their record during that time and have decided it's not enough. It's time for a change. You can mark that up to the American people being stupid or sexist or racist or whatever, but because the Democrats stepped up for Wall St. and told ol' Joe USA to go fuck himself and take his pennies elsewhere, that their buddies will finance their reelection bids and that essentially, they don't matter, who could blame working class Americans for going with a guy who tells them he'll bring back their jobs and lower their healthcare costs and get rid of the trade agreements that have led to their circumstances in the first place? That resonates a little more than identity politics.

If actual progressives run, they'll win. If your retarded party decides to run more establishment shills, they'll lose.

It's actually pretty simple logic to follow; you run republican light against an actual republican, you're going to lose. People want an actual progressive, actual progressives can win. You can't win because nobody buys what you're selling.


Your opinion means very little to me at this point. Both you and londonfog were embarrassingly wrong about this election when at least 3 different people called it 100% to the tee. Hit me up when you get some credibility built up

I don't blame Obama for Trumps win. If he could have run for a third term he would have won. The loss is 100% on Hillary. People didnt want a phony wall st shill, so they voted for the racist orange guy. She was a horrible candidate given the landscape.

 

[londonfog]

I don't blame Obama for Trumps win. If he could have run for a third term he would have won. The loss is 100% on Hillary. People didn't want a phony wall st shill, so they voted for the racist orange guy. She was a horrible candidate given the landscape.

Actually more people voted for Hillary, so yeah what you are saying is pretty much BULLSHIT.
SHOUT OUT TO @SneekyNinja for pointing me to the right info and away from that low turnout BS.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Actually more people voted for Hillary, so yeah what you are saying is pretty much BULLSHIT.
SHOUT OUT TO @SneekyNinja for pointing me to the right info and away from that low turnout BS.

As has been pointed out to you already, popular vote is not what matters. Obamas popularity compared with Clinton's right now is night and day. He would have crushed Trump. It wouldn't have even been close.

Of course you can't see this though. You're the Mush of the politics section. Wrong at every turn.

 

[londonfog]

As has been pointed out to you already, popular vote is not what matters. Obamas popularity compared with Clinton's right now is night and day. He would have crushed Trump. It wouldn't have even been close.

Of course you can't see this though. You're the Mush of the politics section. Wrong at every turn.

Fact- more people voted for Hillary than Trump. Less people voted for Trump.
To say different means you don't understand simple math.
Obama would have beaten anyone put in front of him...even Bernie.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Fact- more people voted for Hillary than Trump. Less people voted for Trump.
To say different means you don't understand simple math.
Obama would have beaten anyone put in front of him...even Bernie.

I understand the math. EC is what matters though, and Hillary and her campaign knew that going in. Perhaps had she spent more of her time talking to folks in the rust belt about how she would address their economic concerns instead of putting on concerts with Jay Z and Beyonce, she would be our president elect right now.

 

[Bugeye]

Hillary and Jeb both had the wrong last name for this election. They let their personal ambitions outweigh the obvious.

 

[londonfog]

I understand the math. EC is what matters though, and Hillary and her campaign knew that going in. Perhaps had she spent more of her time talking to folks in the rust belt about how she would address their economic concerns instead of putting on concerts with Jay Z and Beyonce, she would be our president elect right now.

as long as you understand she won more votes than Trump, it will help you stop the bullshit with "no one wanted her" . Try to keep the conversation honest. Might help separate you from the other Bernie Baby characters.

 

[ttystikk]

as long as you understand she won more votes than Trump, it will help you stop the bullshit with "no one wanted her" . Try to keep the conversation honest. Might help separate you from the other Bernie Baby characters.

Call me whatever makes you feel better but if the DNC hadn't meddled in the nomination process, we'd be discussing the promise of President Sander's administration right now.

 

[UncleBuck]

at least 3 different people called it 100% to the tee.

the rest of your whining was all bullshit that has already been addressed.

so please name the three people who called the mi-pa-wi collapse.

 

[UncleBuck]

Call me whatever makes you feel better but if the DNC hadn't meddled in the nomination process, we'd be discussing the promise of President Sander's administration right now.

bernie lost to hillary by nearly 4 million votes among a much smaller set of overall votes.

you, pada, and stow really need to drop the bernie worship. he would have been crushed. do we need to discuss the oppo research more?

 

[st0wandgrow]

bernie lost to hillary by nearly 4 million votes among a much smaller set of overall votes.

you, pada, and stow really need to drop the bernie worship. he would have been crushed. do we need to discuss the oppo research more?

You say that while ignoring the enormous amount of skeletons and baggage that Bill and Hill carried with them. Trump won BECAUSE of Hillary's unpopularity. There's no amount of dirt that you could dig up on Sanders that would exceed that of Clinton's. Not to mention the fact that Bernie ran a campaign focused on the every day American, while Hillary was busy cozying up to Wall st bankers.

You just can't admit that you were wrong. I know your RIU cred means a lot to you, but you're looking rather foolish arguing this.

 

[UncleBuck]

Trump won BECAUSE of Hillary's unpopularity.

so unpopular that she won the popular vote. as many votes as obama in 2012. more votes than any white man, ever.

There's no amount of dirt that you could dig up on Sanders that would exceed that of Clinton's.

yeah, the video of him attending a rally in central america where they were chanting "DEATH TO THE YANKEES" would have just floated under the radar.

 

[ttystikk]

Nah. Bernie would have mopped the floor with him, in large part because there actually would have been a difference between the candidates.

 

[londonfog]

Call me whatever.

Cool. I will call you "The Unfulfilled Fantasy Maker and The Keeper of Dreams"

 

[schuylaar]

Isn't this the same establishment that has run a man for president since1828?
Is it that bad that they would have biase, in order to better deversfy the party ?
Just a thought

Excuse me..did you just say 'is it that bad that they would have bias'?

Are you kidding me?

The answer is YES. They are to be NEUTRAL..that IS their function.

It was okay HRH used any means necessary and did it to the Bernster..but not okay Trump did it to her..amirite?

Such double standard.

Do you ever read the shit that you write before hitting 'reply'?

 

[schuylaar]

Isn't it a bit rediculous that you have to provide a disclaimer?

PC culture says it is all or nothing. You either agree with everything or nothing at all.

It is ok to admit you agree on one point with someone. It does not mean you agree on everything.

God forbid..

 

[schuylaar]

I think our disagreement is not large. I don't demand you hew to my story. Unlike right wingnuts, we have to at least use facts to form opinion. Your experience is also a good source for forming your opinion. My experience is different and I've learned that the farther we get from knowable facts, the more speculative an opinion becomes. I don't have a television and despise internet info-videos, so neither of those are the source of my information or bias as you would have it. As I've said, I'm happy to review anything that you say contains facts that would indicate the two opinions are true: that the entire DNC and Clinton organizations secretly colluded and that more than 12% of the Democratic Party's electorate were swayed to vote for Clinton when they would have voted for Bernie had the collusion not happened. This is a relatively complex scenario. Mine is simpler. That a few DNC operatives colluded with a few Clinton campaign staff and that one or two percent of the vote was swayed by this.

By all means, post more information when available.

7M stayed home sooooo, what did you attribute this knowable fact to?