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Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
The DNC cut off his campaigns access to voter database files, didnt they?
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Yes the DNC did so after one of Bernie's people exploited a known bug to allow him to access files that he should not have. It was a complete overreaction on the part of the DNC but was triggered by an intrusion by Bernie's campaign staff. It was an ugly scene but not an example of campaign manipulation.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
She used a down-ticket fundraising exception to pull in larger than allowable donations, (which are supposed to be used to fund other Democrats in house/senate/state bids) for her own campaign against Sanders.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670
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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/may/05/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/

Clooney's claim that "Bulk of the money collected at Clinton fundraiser will go to down-ballot Democrats" was rated Half True at politifact. By this article, the mirror claim that "clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties" is half true. I admit to getting lost when trying to unravel either claim. Yes, there were shenanigans on the part of Clinton's campaign. Also claims of a clear violation are overblown. But, this is complicated. From what I can tell, this isn't a smoking gun to prove the primary was stolen from Sanders or funding violations on the part of Clinton's campaign.

But here again, Clinton is shading her campaign in a way that approaches the limits but just to the limit. It's as if the lawyer in her just had to take every advantage while just skirting the boundary of what is acceptable. I get why people didn't like her. It's just that every time a Clinton basher makes a claim of outright cheating or fraud, the facts don't bear it out. Dirty politics? yes Outright stealing the election? no.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
I wonder if the outcome of the general election would have been different had she and the DNC not been caught with their hand in the cookie jar? She basically, unwittingly, reinforced Trumps narrative of "crooked Hillary", and in the process alienated millions of Bernie supporters.
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What Trump did was beyond anything like the stuff said about Clinton. Did we hold the woman to a higher standard?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Should the first rule of human interactions be that all people have an equal right to self determine ?

Should the corollary to that be that no person has a right to use offensive force against another or their justly acquired property?

If you answer yes, then at some point in order to do the things you defend as necessary, you must ditch the ideas (above) and rationalize the use of offensive force as a means, which is contrary to the primary rules mentioned above.

If you answer no, then you are advocating "chaos" and "might makes right".


The question isn't whether we should model a society on voluntary human interactions and disavow the use of offensive force, it is "how would it be accomplished and would it be better than the present mode" ?
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rob roy is not a pedophile, he is an "alt sexual".
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
What Trump did was beyond anything like the stuff said about Clinton. Did we hold the woman to a higher standard?
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No question about that. I'm guessing that Trump got a pass because he's a political outsider, and conservative voters don't hold their candidates to the same standards as liberals do. Just look at some of the dimwits that the GOP has run, and conservative voters have worshipped. George W Bush? Sarah Palin? Trump? lol
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
Maybe because she was the focus of the corruption? An obvious overreaching attempt to raise her above her scandals to the presidency?
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speaking of corruption, trump just openly admitted to "self dealing" from his own foundation today, which is just a euphemism for embezzlement. all this on the heels of settling his fraud and racketeering case.

anyhoo, what about those 8 businesses he registered in saudi arabia during the campaign? you kept telling us about how bad saudi arabia was, lard-ass.

did something change?
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Rob Roy said:
Freedom and voluntary human interactions as the means to achieve it, are timeless.

Using, "the complexities of modern society" to create involuntary human relations and deprive individuals of their self determination is a cluster fuck chimera of rationalization.

That rationalization is the basis of most of the world's conflicts and is founded in an impossibility. That being, that a central coercion based "authority" can use a coercive means to prevent people from using coercion. Circular arguments were dumb in 1795 and remain dumb today.

I look forward to your thoughtful reply as to why involuntary human interactions are superior to voluntary ones.
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My thoughtful reply is, I am changing the 1795 to 1300 B.C.

There, you're a good fit.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Gotta say it:

Pad, you have been on fire in this thread. Good shit.
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remember that first time we got invaded by white supremacists and all you did was call them "possibly bigoted", but in the meantime were accusing me of being racist against whites?

that's when i realized what a racist piece of shit you are.

aren't you a grown man who only make $14 an hour doing carpentry?

SAD
 
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