Should tipping be abolished?

[Rob Roy]

So not all jobs should be indentured servitude, just SOME of them.

I'd call you an idiot but I'd hate to insult them.

Irony.

Who has the right to set the terms of any kind of a just agreement ? Does one party only have that right or should the agreement be based in a mutual meeting of the minds over the terms ?

 

[Rob Roy]

Oh, here we go; 'charity' brought up to correct the imbalance.

Are you fucking serious? So now not only does a person have to suffer the indignity of working for wages that don't sustain them, they must now go BEG someone to make up the difference?!

You're a patrician tool.

Do you ever question why prices rise ? What the root causes of that might be ?

If you were selling weed and the guy across the street was selling his weed for $100 an ounce less than you, should he be made to stop it or should people have the choice to buy his weed versus yours?

 

[londonfog]

All human rights spring from the idea that no person has superior rights to another.

If I don't have the right to force you to associate with me and reciprocably you don't have that right either, nobody else does.

So, my ideas are based in consistency. Yours are based in inconsistency.

My ideas hold that human relations should be on a voluntary basis of the participants or they shouldn't occur.

You're okay with forcing one party to associate with you, using the same tactics as a slave holder or a rapist, that being an application of force or a threat of it.

Since no black person, or no white person etc. has anymore right than any other person, they all possess the right to choose their own human interactions don't they ?

You keep erroneously trying to conflate my point of view into some kind of racism, when it isn't. It is a consistent application of honoring another persons choices, that's all.

If you open a business that serves the PUBLIC you will serve all. If you don't want to serve all, make your business private.
Civil Rights stops people like you from refusing service to me based on color. It also stops people from refusing your son service based on his sexual preference. If you don't like serving blacks or gays make your business private.
and what the fuck is reciproably. Did you mean reciprocally ?

 

[Rob Roy]

If you open a business that serves the PUBLIC you will serve all. If you don't want to serve all, make your business private.
Civil Rights stops people like you from refusing service to me based on color. It also stops people from refusing your son service based on his sexual preference. If you don't like serving blacks or gays make your business private.
and what the fuck is reciproably. Did you mean reciprocally ?

No, I meant reciprocity of either party to not interact if they chose. That way no person is forced into a human association they'd prefer not to be in. Human interactions should arise from situations where the involved parties are freely engaged of their own accord.

All owned property is ALREADY PRIVATE, or it couldn't be owned property.

If you like to force people to interact with you on terms you've set for them, how are your tactics any different than a rapist or a slave holder? I bet you don't reply to the preceding question responsively.

 

[londonfog]

No, I meant reciprocity of either party to not interact if they chose. That way no person is forced into a human association they'd prefer not to be in. Human interactions should arise from situations where the involved parties are freely engaged of their own accord.

All owned property is ALREADY PRIVATE, or it couldn't be owned property.

If you like to force people to interact with you on terms you've set for them, how are your tactics any different than a rapist or a slave holder? I bet you don't reply to the preceding question responsively.

I expect to be serve at any and all business that serves the public. If you view that as force, the problem is yours.
If you don't' want to serve certain people do not open a public business. No one is forcing you to make your business open to the public but you. Make it private and charge a small membership, then you can be as racist as you like.

 

[Grandpapy]

Do you ever question why prices rise ? What the root causes of that might be ?

If you were selling weed and the guy across the street was selling his weed for $100 an ounce less than you, should he be made to stop it or should people have the choice to buy his weed versus yours?

I would say, check the source, direction of profits, if funding Communist Ideals while depleting American values then maybe we should consider those who's have no voice/power in politics.

Of course if I had the power of the 1% I might play the same game if I was pushing an agenda.

 

[SneekyNinja]

I expect to be serve at any and all business that serves the public. If you view that as force, the problem is yours.
If you don't' want to serve certain people do not open a public business. No one is forcing you to make your business open to the public but you. Make it private and charge a small membership, then you can be as racist as you like.

You're even legally allowed discriminate if you start a "private club".

Maybe all the retarded racists should just do that?

It'd certainly make them easier to avoid, stupidity offends me and they have it in spades.

 

[Rob Roy]

You're even legally allowed discriminate if you start a "private club".

Maybe all the retarded racists should just do that?

It'd certainly make them easier to avoid, stupidity offends me and they have it in spades.

Is your body a form of your own private property or does somebody else own it ? It's yours.

Do you find it acceptable for others to control your body or is that something you should decide ?
You should decide.

If you think others shouldn't control your body, where does any other persons right to control somebody else come from? It comes from nowhere, since it doesn't exist.

I answered the questions for you. You lost. Now please go spank yourself.

 

[Rob Roy]

I expect to be serve at any and all business that serves the public. If you view that as force, the problem is yours.
If you don't' want to serve certain people do not open a public business. No one is forcing you to make your business open to the public but you. Make it private and charge a small membership, then you can be as racist as you like.

So if a woman wants to get laid, and a member of the public wants to fuck her, but she finds THAT person unattractive and would prefer not to fuck him, she should be forced to fuck him anyway?


I'm not interested in opening an establishment which features discrimination based on a race, thank you.

I am interested in you (and everyone else ) having their right to determine the use of their own body and their own property protected. You are not, you think some people should be deprived of their right of self determination, like slaves were deprived of their rights to self determine. I wish you would stop holding that point of view and respect others rights.

 

[Rob Roy]

Fuck off Rob, if you don't want to serve the public at large, don't open a public establishment.

As usual your answer was long on vitriol and short on refutation of the premise that people should not initiate forced human relations.

I think it's possible that government dick up your ass, has you imagining that their edicts should be exempt from scrutiny.

If I don't have the right to force you to interact with me, and you don't have the right to force me to interact with you, nobody else has those kinds of rights either do they ? If they claim those rights, they are claiming to have SUPERIOR rights than you or I have, rather than EQUAL rights.

Congratulations your losing streak remains intact.

 

[SneekyNinja]

As usual your answer was long on vitriol and short on refutation of the premise that people should not initiate forced human relations.

I think it's possible that government dick up your ass, has you imagining that their edicts should be exempt from scrutiny.

If I don't have the right to force you to interact with me, and you don't have the right to force me to interact with you, nobody else has those kinds of rights either do they ? If they claim those rights, they are claiming to have SUPERIOR rights than you or I have, rather than EQUAL rights.

Congratulations your losing streak remains intact.

You obviously missed the point.

Don't want to serve the publIc?

Don't start a business to serve the public then.

Start a private club where you can hate foreigners whilst ironically praising your Western European heritage.

 

[Rob Roy]

Fuck off Rob, if you don't want to serve the public at large, don't open an establishment to the public.

I suppose being forced to serve all those blacks is comparable to slavery and rape?

Poor example. All people, which would then necessarily include black people, should have the right to determine the use of their own property and body and no person, regardless of race should be made to associate with a person they prefer not to or to be deprived of domain over their own property.

By the way, you suck at this.

 

[Rob Roy]

You obviously missed the point.

Don't want to serve the publIc?

Don't start a business to serve the public then.

Start a private club where you can hate foreigners whilst ironically praising your Western European heritage.

Your point relies on the premise that some people have a right to determine the use of another persons body and property without the consent of that person.

Your point ignores the fact government can't have a right which you or don't have.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Your point relies on the premise that some people have a right to determine the use of another persons body and property without the consent of that person.

Your point ignores the fact government can't have a right which you or don't have.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Your point relies on the premise that some people have a right to determine the use of another persons body and property without the consent of that person.

Your point ignores the fact government can't have a right which you or don't have.

Blah blah blah...

Again, if you don't want to start a business to serve the public, don't.

There's your choice.

 

[Lord Kanti]

Oh, here we go; 'charity' brought up to correct the imbalance.

Are you fucking serious? So now not only does a person have to suffer the indignity of working for wages that don't sustain them, they must now go BEG someone to make up the difference?!

You're a patrician tool.

The volunteers who worked at my school never begged for money. They did it because they enjoyed helping children learn. Keep insulting people with your over generalizations.

It's hard to believe that in this liberal paradise, some people don't have to work for a living. It must boggle your mind.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

The volunteers who worked at my school never begged for money. They did it because they enjoyed helping children learn. Keep insulting people with your over generalizations.

It's hard to believe that in this liberal paradise, some people don't have to work for a living. It must boggle your mind.

You went to school? I call bullshit.

 

[Lord Kanti]

You went to school? I call bullshit.

Nice counter argument.

 

[natureboygrower]

it would be interesting to hear how a waiter/waitress/server would feel about no tips.I'm thinking anyone that was good at what they did would say keep tipping.I know I'd feel better looking at a host stand 30 ppl deep thinking that a nice tip may come my way.

 

[Flaming Pie]

sure,abolish tips.get ready for cost per plate to drastically increase.

Nah.. it would just go up 20% to replace tips and service quality would go down.