Should tipping be abolished?

[ttystikk]

Because there is no room for the service to be improved. When I go to McDonalds, the problem is never with the service, it's with the quality of the product (which is why I don't go there very often). Even a significant tip will not solve that problem

Lulz.

Oboy, you have no idea what would happen if everyone at a McDonald's got a share of the tips, do you?

 

[ttystikk]

I have around 5 years experience

Then you should know there's ALWAYS a difference.

This goes for everywhere, but most often the places you might frequent. They get to know you because you notice and appreciate their hard work.

Happened to me just today, in fact.

 

[Big_Lou]

It pays to grease the wheels in most facets of life....one hand washes the other...

 

[Padawanbater2]

Lulz.

Oboy, you have no idea what would happen if everyone at a McDonald's got a share of the tips, do you?

What am I going to do as a McDonald's employee to improve the quality of the service if we start accepting tips?

 

[Catfish1966]

Because it's not my responsibility to pay a company's employees a living wage, it's the employer's responsibility

You'll pay either way. This way you get to determine whether a particular server is worthy.

 

[Big_Lou]

What am I going to do as a McDonald's employee to improve the quality of the service if we start accepting tips?

Add free food items, faster service, extra kindness, priority service, 'treats' now and again, etc.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm saying that if you want to offer me $2 an hour for a job and I have to take it because if I don't, I will starve to death, the "agreement" in which I accepted the job offer is illegitimate

So when you say "He accepted it, it's an agreement between two consenting people and you have no right to get involved!" and try to use that as justification for such low wages, it's bullshit

No the two things you try to mush together can be unrelated.

You are attempting to hold a person you've made an agreement with responsible for your circumstances
and failing to describe how they are.

If you have to take a given job, you are implying there is force involved.

Who has forced who in this hypothetical scenario, the one where you rationalize one party can be exempt from having responsibility for their own life?

 

[Catfish1966]

What am I going to do as a McDonald's employee to improve the quality of the service if we start accepting tips?

Show a little cleavage?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Then you should know there's ALWAYS a difference.

This goes for everywhere, but most often the places you might frequent. They get to know you because you notice and appreciate their hard work.

Happened to me just today, in fact.

It pays to grease the wheels in most facets of life....one hand washes the other...

Like I said, I don't have a problem with tipping. I have a problem with society telling me I have to tip so this group of people doesn't have a shitty life. That's not my problem, that's the employers problem. If you don't want this group of people to have a shitty life because they get paid shit, demand their employers raise their wages. Don't put the burden and guilt onto me for simply being a consumer

 

[ttystikk]

What am I going to do as a McDonald's employee to improve the quality of the service if we start accepting tips?

Da fuk kind of question is that, coming from someone who says they have 5 years in the business?

Come on, man- everything from better burgers to shorter lines and happier employees!

 

[Wilderb]

Do you receive worse service from industries that do not accept tips?

That isn't a fair comparison because those employees are usually paid at min wage. Therefore not depending on a tip.

 

[ttystikk]

Like I said, I don't have a problem with tipping. I have a problem with society telling me I have to tip so this group of people doesn't have a shitty life. That's not my problem, that's the employers problem. If you don't want this group of people to have a shitty life because they get paid shit, demand their employers raise their wages. Don't put the burden and guilt onto me for simply being a consumer

If you didn't have a problem with tipping, you'd have titled this thread differently.

 

[Big_Lou]

Show a little cleavage?

Red.

 

[ttystikk]

That's not my problem, that's the employers problem.

It's EVERYONE'S problem, or haven't you noticed there's an economic depression on?

 

[qwizoking]

alright a friend of mine is the market coach for tacobell ive heard alot of stories.. and seen alot myself.

they drop bags of meat in a hot water tank. temp it, after the timer goes off. 160? its good. after 125 though its not congealed. rush hour at 5-6 gets alot of that.

alot of the product might actually be expired.

pans get new food dumped in vs cleaned out (these are all rules btw)

similarly everything is done this way, old potatoes etc etc you think they make food for themselves with tje same care they make it for you? not that they even normally make menu items
if you tipped when it was good though......

 

[Rob Roy]

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Red.

Needs tassles.

 

[Padawanbater2]

No the two things you try to mush together can be unrelated.

You are attempting to hold a person you've made an agreement with responsible for your circumstances
and failing to describe how they are.

If you have to take a given job, you are implying there is force involved.

Who has forced who in this hypothetical scenario, the one where you rationalize one party can be exempt from having responsibility for their own life?

If you can find someone who willingly takes a job for $2 an hour absent of extortion or duress, I'd still consider that ethically wrong but maybe not criminally. But in most cases, people who accept a job for lower than it's worth do it because they have to. If you enter into an agreement because you have to, it isn't a legitimate agreement. Ask any lawyer about that, they'll tell you the same thing.

 

[Rob Roy]

If you can find someone who willingly takes a job for $2 an hour absent of extortion or duress, I'd still consider that ethically wrong but maybe not criminally. But in most cases, people who accept a job for lower than it's worth do it because they have to. If you enter into an agreement because you have to, it isn't a legitimate agreement. Ask any lawyer about that, they'll tell you the same thing.

If other people enter an agreement and there is no duress or force and it doesn't involve you or government, would it be ethical to forcibly negate their agreement and implement the one you want?

 

[Padawanbater2]

If other people enter an agreement and there is no duress or force and it doesn't involve you or government, would it be ethical to forcibly negate their agreement and implement the one you want?

It would be ethical to intervene if the agreement took advantage of one party in one way or another as I just described

 

[Rob Roy]

alright a friend of mine is the market coach for tacobell ive heard alot of stories.. and seen alot myself.

they drop bags of meat in a hot water tank. temp it, after the timer goes off. 160? its good. after 125 though its not congealed. rush hour at 5-6 gets alot of that.

alot of the product might actually be expired.

pans get new food dumped in vs cleaned out (these are all rules btw)

similarly everything is done this way, old potatoes etc etc you think they make food for themselves with tje same care they make it for you? not that they even normally make menu items
if you tipped when it was good though......

If those people weren't forcibly prevented from owning all of their own labor and could open their own food vending service without being required to get and pay for permission and a protection racket they would be incentivized to give good service, since they'd want customers to return .