so i found out adam and eve was bullshit

[primabudda]

i have no idea, The-Buster

 

[The-Budster]

i have no idea, The-Buster

I would just like to confirm for the benefit of this discussion I am not God nor the Father of the egg.

So please no PMs asking me the meaning of life or if you should quit your job and walk the earth like Jules with an pound of herb and pipe haha

 

[Dalek Supreme]

I'm not sure where that is stating that slavery is fine. We are of course discussing a book that has been up for debate for thousands of years and sadly has led to people causing harm to one a other despite the message of the new testament advising against. So I do see how people have come to different conclusions but reinforces?

I'm not seeing how it reinforces that at all (slavery existence, sure! But encouraging, No!) and it's that sort of paraphrase and with a bit of reading only what you to see thrown in that causes the wrong understanding of the whole picture as that's what is going here I think.

Anyway your paraphrase and I will call it that as I choose to only recognise the King James Version of the Bible does not condone slavery.

I see it as stating that you should not become the slaves of men but should become the servant of god.

For those who are truly "free" must be a servant to the Lord God.

Ephesians 6:5-9 King James Version (KJV)

"5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV)

"13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

 

[HandyGringo]

Non religious people, stop arguing with religious people. They're religious, you won't change their mind. Their definition of evidence is different than yours, and no matter what you say they won't understand. Just let them believe.

 

[qwizoking]

ihearall must be the devil.. its the only explanation

 

[Dalek Supreme]

Non religious people, stop arguing with religious people. They're religious, you won't change their mind. Their definition of evidence is different than yours, and no matter what you say they won't understand. Just let them believe.

Their evidence is "what feels good", and "confirmation bias" just like any other addict.

You cannot reason most people out of an addiction, but with open dialogue you can prevent the few from becoming addicted.

 

[Illinois Enema Bandit]

some music to ponder institutionalized religion over for those with who care to listen

 

[primabudda]

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

what was the trolling/debating/argumental/discussions like in them days, because if someone said this to me today and its was all new words i'd be like "what u talking bout fool!?"


did people use these blackmail words like "eat apples or go to hell" sort of shit for advertising ? like money and shit ?


i heard they didn't know where the sun went on a night, not too clever. And they had landlords and business men, they must have cottoned on to these tricks don't you think.


Maybe some of the shit that got wrote was because of business slimy money makers.



we should do some research on the main characters in the books and see what they did for money and how they may or may not have used these words for their own gain ...... it's possible you know ?



the plot thickens

 

[R1b3n4]

Non religious people, stop arguing with religious people. They're religious, you won't change their mind. Their definition of evidence is different than yours, and no matter what you say they won't understand. Just let them believe.

 

[Dalek Supreme]

what was the trolling/debating/argumental/discussions like in them days, because if someone said this to me today and its was all new words i'd be like "what u talking bout fool!?"


did people use these blackmail words like "eat apples or go to hell" sort of shit for advertising ? like money and shit ?


i heard they didn't know where the sun went on a night, not too clever. And they had landlords and business men, they must have cottoned on to these tricks don't you think.


Maybe some of the shit that got wrote was because of business slimy money makers.



we should do some research on the main characters in the books and see what they did for money and how they may or may not have used these words for their own gain ...... it's possible you know ?



the plot thickens

This is why I use the Revised Standard Version for better context.

Romans 13:1-7 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Being Subject to Authorities
"13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due."

It's about trusting Governments because God instituted them.

It's slave mentality.

 

[The-Budster]

Ephesians 6:5-9 King James Version (KJV)

"5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV)

"13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

The first quote I read this as " slave or not a slave, everything that you do will be known to the lord and all good deeds will not go unrewarded. Like wise of those who do bad to others the lord will remember that"

It doesn't say, go out an get yourself a slave. Now I'll not be surprised if you tell me xxxx ministry believe that. As the Catholic church have some how took a Book that makes it very clear that if they are rich then they should give it all to the poor, but sit on an unaccountable amount of money.

I'm not seeing the link to slavery as such in the second quote buddy?

I see this as "everyone is under the subject to a higher power/master as God is that Higher power. There is nobody that can escape that and there is no power higher than the Lord God"

I understand man that people can read this and get one thing from it , 100%! However that does not mean that is it's true meaning as there will be many out there that have another view and even if it is only one person or one thousand. The true understanding is always the truth.

 

[The-Budster]

Non religious people, stop arguing with religious people. They're religious, you won't change their mind. Their definition of evidence is different than yours, and no matter what you say they won't understand. Just let them believe.

Many religions are based on Faith. There are teachings that lead people to a Faith in certain understanding of life or the world etc.

However what evidence do you have that you can disprove God? Real evidence , not well there is not a man in the sky so God ain't real sort of evidence because there is no description of God being like that all. Same with Jesus the images we see when we are told it is Jesus. I don't think it is that at all, no descriptions in the Bible but some group/person somewhere have got this image out to the people and have them now identifying to this stranger in the painting as God. Bit too weird for me :/

 

[The-Budster]

This is why I use the Revised Standard Version for better context.

Romans 13:1-7 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Being Subject to Authorities
"13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due."

It's about trusting Governments because God instituted them.

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Don't you see that by using a translation that goes away from the true original meaning you have came to a totally different meaning?

These other translations have no doubt been made by people trying to push THEIR beliefs on others to do this f***ed up shit like slavery etc. It doesn't go with the whole message of Jesus so doesn't make sense to be translated like this either

 

[HandyGringo]

Many religions are based on Faith. There are teachings that lead people to a Faith in certain understanding of life or the world etc.

However what evidence do you have that you can disprove God? Real evidence , not well there is not a man in the sky so God ain't real sort of evidence because there is no description of God being like that all. Same with Jesus the images we see when we are told it is Jesus. I don't think it is that at all, no descriptions in the Bible but some group/person somewhere have got this image out to the people and have them now identifying to this stranger in the painting as God. Bit too weird for me :/

Well no one can disprove that there is a god. Just like no one can prove there is a god, unless they warp the idea of proof and evidence into "I feel God" or some other nonsense. It's illogical to base your world understanding on a 2000 year old book, over recent knowledge and science and observing.

But sure, for many teachings of the bible there's concrete evidence against it. Stuff like creationism, the earth being 6000 years old, Noas ark, Adam and Eve, etc.

But no there's no concrete evidence that there's no god. Just like there's no concrete evidence that there's no unicorns. The only difference between the two is that people are indoctrinated from birth into believing that there's a god. No one is indoctrinated into believing that there's unicorns.

Then again, the burden of proof is on the religious nuts. If you're going to make insane claims, you need to back them up.

 

[abe supercro]

Non religious people, stop arguing with religious people. They're religious, you won't change their mind. Their definition of evidence is different than yours, and no matter what you say they won't understand. Just let them believe.

religious nuts.

unicorns.

Can we degrade them with insults? Perhaps that would be more appropriate, or more gratifying, than debating with them.

 

[HandyGringo]

Can we degrade them with insults? Perhaps that would be more appropriate, or more gratifying, than debating with them.

I don't see how either of those are insults. There's no difference between believing in unicorns and believing in god. And calling someone a nut, means they're crazy. And you have to be crazy to believe in stuff like unicorns, or fairies, or cthulu, or god.

I wouldn't take offence if you told me I was a nut for believing in ghosts. (Which I don't, just an example)

 

[Dalek Supreme]

The first quote I read this as " slave or not a slave, everything that you do will be known to the lord and all good deeds will not go unrewarded. Like wise of those who do bad to others the lord will remember that"

It doesn't say, go out an get yourself a slave. Now I'll not be surprised if you tell me xxxx ministry believe that. As the Catholic church have some how took a Book that makes it very clear that if they are rich then they should give it all to the poor, but sit on an unaccountable amount of money.

I'm not seeing the link to slavery as such in the second quote buddy?

I see this as "everyone is under the subject to a higher power/master as God is that Higher power. There is nobody that can escape that and there is no power higher than the Lord God"

I understand man that people can read this and get one thing from it , 100%! However that does not mean that is it's true meaning as there will be many out there that have another view and even if it is only one person or one thousand. The true understanding is always the truth.

The fact is human progress ended slavery (for the most part) not some book claimed to be inspired by the creator of the universe.

 

[Dalek Supreme]

Don't you see that by using a translation that goes away from the true original meaning you have came to a totally different meaning?

These other translations have no doubt been made by people trying to push THEIR beliefs on others to do this f***ed up shit like slavery etc. It doesn't go with the whole message of Jesus so doesn't make sense to be translated like this either

Here, watch this:

 

[primabudda]

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ha ha !!! fuck !

 

[primabudda]

Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment

set of wankers, so this is how governments was made ?




anyways why does this thread keep going into slavery ?