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ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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ganga gurl420 said:
Sorry for the venting but my two shit heads are my best friends. They are like family to me. They even get their own plates of food at thanksgiving lol! I just don't get the hearts and mind sets of some people.
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head on over to doublejjs lone oaks outdoor thread I just posted a pic from yesterday of my best friend ..I look after her as well as I look after my wife
 
CA MTN MAN

CA MTN MAN

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ganga gurl420 said:
Sorry for the venting but my two shit heads are my best friends. They are like family to me. They even get their own plates of food at thanksgiving lol! I just don't get the hearts and mind sets of some people.
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Yea I agree fully.... Who the hell would kill a dog for not being good enough? Why not just put it on Craigslist in the free section... That guys a creep
 
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TWS

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Smidge34 said:
It's a bitch and not something I could do. At the same time I have seen many hunting dogs, bred strictly for sale as a hunting commodity and little else and for the ones who suck, the future is bleak. Some wind up for sale at trade day after trade day or in one newspaper ad after another, changing hands time after time from one hunter trying to get his money back to another. These dogs live out their lives hungry, scared, lonely and suffering. Sometimes a .22 to the head is better for the dog. It sucks I know. If breeders were responsible and driven by ethics and not profit motive the market wouldn't be flooded with many times more animals than homes. Sad reality.
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It's reality. It is what it is .
Lab testing animals is worst
 
mwooten102

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ganga gurl420 said:
I understand a dog can have skills...but for God sakes if you get a dog it should be a pet first! Neither of my dogs are really good at anything other then being naughty but I'm not going to shoot them because they can't hunt. They are not a tool to only use when you need it. Makes me sick! Yes putting them down is probably better then the life they are given but....grrr.....how about law makers go after those fucker a lil harder then they go after people who put seeds in the ground?
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This mentality is why we have bred down dogs unsuited to the work. It's sad watching every breed be dumbed down and bred to basically be somebodies Show piece pet. It's even sadder that these dogs sit about being fed food that is riddling then with health issues. Combine that with gross over feeding and you have the common house pet... loved literally to death.

I'd rather see the animals doing what they were bred to do. Culling created the breeds . Culling is needed more than ever odd the breeds are to be maintained.

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ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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mwooten102 said:
This mentality is why we have bred down dogs unsuited to the work. It's sad watching every breed be dumbed down and bred to basically be somebodies Show piece pet. It's even sadder that these dogs sit about being fed food that is riddling then with health issues. Combine that with gross over feeding and you have the common house pet... loved literally to death.

I'd rather see the animals doing what they were bred to do. Culling created the breeds . Culling is needed more than ever odd the breeds are to be maintained.

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its ppl who don't know better that love their dogs to death tho woot? in my eyes its the ppl who need educating.
imagine if you had to do a 3month course to get a certificate to own a dog...wouldn't have to worry bout those ppl who cant look after a dog properly then
 
mwooten102

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TWS said:
As to ?
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My girlfriend is a medical research scientist that specializes in animal work in labs. She is the biggest animal lover you'll ever meet. That really goes for all of the folks in her lab.

I am very for medical testing. And I'm not just saying this because it is my girlfriend's profession. Humans, plants, and animals benefit greatly from medical research and testing.
Yes, many animals are sacrificed for studies, but it benefits billions of lives around the world. And instead of crapping on the animals that have given their lives to make ours better, you should be more appreciative.

All modern veterinary and human medicine were developed in labs studying these animals. This also includes surgery techniques, animal handling, animal behavior, drug development, medical therapeutics, etc. Medical labs are still developing new techniques and therapies to counter all the disease and illnesses that plague our planet. Have you ever taken some Tylenol? What about any cold medicine? Do you have any vaccinations? Do you know anyone that has been diagnosed with an illness or disease?
All that was discovered and developed because of lab animals. The entire field of biology and medicine is as advanced as it is due to animal testing.
And as more strains of diseases, bacteria, and viruses become more resistant to existing therapeutics, new medicinal techniques and cures need to be developed in continuous parallel.

Regarding the animals, they are treated like gold. All lab animal use in the US are regulated by government organizations and regulation. Every single lab must go through routine inspections by a number of designated government organizations. Care and use is very strict. Any breech of any protocol and you can risk your career and the quality of results in studies.
Every single procedure and study done in labs in the US must pass a screening by various committees and veterinarians before starting. All labs must have a vet to see to their animals when needed and certain labs have their own vets within their companies to manage the animals on a daily basis.

Also, lab animals cost a lot of money. Some mice can cost over $100 each. There are research hamsters that sell for $400 each. Some models are even thousands of dollars. Labs are also a business and they're not going to throw away their money to purposely mistreat and waste the animals. No one wants to waste their lives.

Why labs need to use lab animals?
They're not just any random animal that you see in pet stores, in shelters, or from breeders. These are specifically bred for laboratory use. Some strains and stock date back over 100 years.
Certain animals are genetically modified to mimic certain diseases. And other animals are selectively bred to have the same phenotype as diseases. For example, there are lines that are strictly used for heart disease because they are hypertensive. Or there are lines that are used for diabetic and obesity studies because the animals are indeed born to be diabetic and obese.

For the people who say test on prisoners and the like.
Well, these animals are very close in terms of genetics. They were all bred to be identical. That means there is less variation in results. Unfortunately, humans are not very closely related. We are a very variable species in terms of body function and body chemistry. It makes it difficult to target specific things and find causes when everyone is so different. It's easier to target illnesses and diseases when the factors that make individuals different is taken away. When enough research is done to understand a medical issue and find a cause/cure in animals, it is moved through a number of species (i.e. guinea pigs, rabbits, dogs, primates, etc) before it reaches humans.

And computers can not always be used in certain situations. Simulations are only based on what is known. A computer cannot figure things out if you know nothing. Not to mention what may work in In Vitro (test tube and computer) assays may not work in a living breathing biological model.

Anyway. Regarding dobermans being used in labs. They won't use dobermans for pre-clinical research and development. Only beagles are the model of choice due to historical use, size, and specific breeding. These lines of beagles are bred for research use for the same reasons lab animals are bred(eliminating genetic variation and desiring uniformity). But with that said, they are treated really well. Staff take them for walks and play with them daily. They get social run time with their kennel mates. They are housed in small groups so they are never alone. If the study is a survival procedure(aka no necropsy needed for tissue sampling, etc), they are often adopted out as pets. We have several scientist friends who adopted the dogs they worked with.


Dobermans and any breed really are used for clinical trials at vet schools for new medical procedures and therapeutics.
 
Vnsmkr

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mwooten102 said:
You're supposed to compost it for a year.

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Bet that process would speed way up if you made up some LAB and poured in it, not certain but definitely sped up composting of green leaves, brown leaves, woody pieces
 
ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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used to grow plants in a 50/50 pigeon shit mix...some of the hardest buds like golf ball hard came from that shit..but my best shit grown plants I used pig shit mud n soil..looked like 5 lb of 3 plants till I got ripped a week before pulling and then charged cos I found the prick who done it...:o
 
Larry {the} Gardener

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CA MTN MAN said:
Yea I agree fully.... Who the hell would kill a dog for not being good enough? Why not just put it on Craigslist in the free section... That guys a creep
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Sorry guys, I didn't mean to upset you. I was just relating a story that happened in the 1980's. The BIL, like lots of young men in the sticks, used to hunt with dogs. I myself never cared for dog hunting. I don't like the way packs of dogs are kept, but it was the people who shied me off from it. Too much beer drank and too many shots fired before making sure there isn't other hunters in the area.

But deer hounds have been raised with a pack their whole life, and {for the most part} do not make good pets. In the 80's there was no Craig's List, and you did not give away a dog that was no good. It would be like giving a strain to your friend that you knew was prone to hermie. Keeping work animals is not the same as keeping pets.

These days the BIL raises Redbone Coon hounds. {most of which he sells to folks who have never taken a headlight and a single shot .22 into the woods at night} And as people get older they mellow. When his best bitch is having pups, he has been known to bring her in the house.

757, sorry for the hijack.
 
ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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Larry {the} Gardener said:
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to upset you. I was just relating a story that happened in the 1980's. The BIL, like lots of young men in the sticks, used to hunt with dogs. I myself never cared for dog hunting. I don't like the way packs of dogs are kept, but it was the people who shied me off from it. Too much beer drank and too many shots fired before making sure there isn't other hunters in the area.

But deer hounds have been raised with a pack their whole life, and {for the most part} do not make good pets. In the 80's there was no Craig's List, and you did not give away a dog that was no good. It would be like giving a strain to your friend that you knew was prone to hermie. Keeping work animals is not the same as keeping pets.

These days the BIL raises Redbone Coon hounds. {most of which he sells to folks who have never taken a headlight and a single shot .22 into the woods at night} And as people get older they mellow. When his best bitch is having pups, he has been known to bring her in the house.

757, sorry for the hijack.
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not a hijack if u had added a pic of poo
 
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