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Rahz

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Jesus Christ why do I have to explain everything to you, why don't you google it and do some math
You haven't "explained" anything.

For instance, in 1000 square feet you have either 40 1000w HPS, or 80 LED units putting out the same amount of PAR wattage. You're suggesting the PPFD from the LED will be less. It's nonsense and you can't explain why because it's nonsense.
 

chuck estevez

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Your DE gavita(I guess) unit is a 1000 watt unit right?

You'd need multiple units unless you can somehow get a CXB unit that's 650+ watts or so.
And most units don't go above 350 watts.

The unit from pacificlight pulls 320-340W so you'd need multiple.

It's not that making a 700 watt unit is impossible or even hard, there's just very little demand for it so they're not producing/selling it.
So, the Answer, without all the oh ha is NO, there is not a unit that compares to a 1000 watt DE, why is that so hard for you guys to say?
 

Yodaweed

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Your DE gavita(I guess) unit is a 1000 watt unit right?

You'd need multiple units unless you can somehow get a CXB unit that's 650+ watts or so.
And most units don't go above 350 watts.

The unit from pacificlight pulls 320-340W so you'd need multiple.

It's not that making a 700 watt unit is impossible or even hard, there's just very little demand for it so they're not producing/selling it.
You do not know what you are talking about at all, you would need to do a grid of his area, determine how many COB's per square foot you want to use then determine that frequency you want to run them at. It's not just OH 700 watts replaces 1000 watts , really not that simple.
 

Yodaweed

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why the huge shaded strip down the middle? and what unit is that?
Guess that area don't need coverage LEDs are that awesome apparently. Those lights coverage is tiny its like a 3x3 max with weak coverage on the outter edge.

http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx300/

700+ dollars each what a huge waste of money.

Just look how pathetic the par chart is on the edge LOL a DE light does a 6x4 with higher PAR ratings across the board and costs less.
 

Rahz

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Grasping reality is difficult for these guys.
Comments like these don't further the conversation. You're just defending your ego, which you clearly need to do because you've made a claim and can't back it up. Trying to suggest the inverse square law lowers PPFD without explaining where the light goes is futile. I've already given the explanation. If a light is raised high enough to incur reflective losses the the amount of light reaching the canopy is lowered. In a warehouse setting this is less of a concern than in your closet.

So if you're not talking about reflective losses, where does the light go? Can you answer that question? You can't. You've backed yourself into a corner.
 

grouch

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Guess that area don't need coverage LEDs are that awesome apparently. Those lights coverage is tiny its like a 3x3 max with weak coverage on the outter edge.

http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx300/

700+ dollars each what a huge waste of money.

Just look how pathetic the par chart is on the edge LOL a DE light does a 6x4 with higher PAR ratings across the board and costs less.
I thought you said you were out of here
 

Yodaweed

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Comments like these don't further the conversation. You're just defending your ego, which you clearly need to do because you've made a claim and can't back it up. Trying to suggest the inverse square law lowers PPFD without explaining where the light goes is futile. I've already given the explanation. If a light is raised high enough to incur reflective losses the the amount of light reaching the canopy is lowered. In a warehouse setting this is less of a concern than in your closet.

So if you're not talking about reflective losses, where does the light go? Can you answer that question? You can't. You've backed yourself into a corner.
I already explained several times where the light has dissipated to, its a law , you cant change physics. I'm done talking to you, welcome to ignore, the place for ignorance.
 

Greengenes707

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Tiny ceiling height, not for DE lights, not a good comparison.
Man you just TRY and look for anything to make yourself feel better.
14ft ceilings...try again troll.
why the huge shaded strip down the middle? and what unit is that?
Over grown walkway. They just were over vegged GG#4's.

Pacific Light Concepts CX300 units.
Guess that area don't need coverage LEDs are that awesome apparently. Those lights coverage is tiny its like a 3x3 max with weak coverage on the outter edge.

http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx300/

700+ dollars each what a huge waste of money.

Just look how pathetic the par chart is on the edge LOL a DE light does a 6x4 with higher PAR ratings across the board and costs less.
Falling way outside their designed grow space and still bulked like they should...they must suck.
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Rahz

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I already explained several times where the light has dissipated to, its a law , you cant change physics. I'm done talking to you, welcome to ignore, the place for ignorance.
Weak minds ignore their detractors. Good job. Anyone else care to explain where the light goes if not reflective losses? I can't think of any, but if I'm wrong I'd sure like someone to explain it to me.
 

Yodaweed

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Man you just TRY and look for anything to make yourself feel better.
14ft ceilings...try again troll.

Over grown walkway. They just were over vegged GG#4's.

Pacific Light Concepts CX300 units.

Falling way outside their designed grow space and still bilked like they should...they must suck.
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Tiny grow area, and super over priced, grats you are making money but those lights aren't as good as DE lights for commercial grow. Just compare a PAR chart between your light and a gavita, its not even close.
 

Yodaweed

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again you TRY to put things down...and are as wrong as fuck.

~24x40 room...1 or 5 rooms....keep hating.
I was talking about the grow area of your light broski. it covers a 2x2 area for 700+ dollars and puts out weaker par ratings than lights for half the price.
 

grouch

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Truth hurts? Sorry but those are real facts.
Those facts are fudged to prove yourself right. Upfront cost is the only reason using them in a commercial environment wouldn't be better. The lettuce factory was an example of what could be done if you weren't required to hang your light 8 feet above the plant. Obviously with weed you would need more room than lettuce and blurple lights. You cant change the laws of physics (light output per watt) just because you have a larger space. You also wouldnt employ the same techniques as 1000w hids when using multiple smaller light sources.
 

Greengenes707

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I was talking about the grow area of your light broski. it covers a 2x2 area for 700+ dollars and puts out weaker par ratings than lights for half the price.
it's a 300w light...it alone doesn't compare to a 1K and no one said it did. You want a big light...would you like it better if I put 2 inot one house...that would make the light so much more powerful right...fucking idiot learn you shit. Light is cumulative.
Yes it cost more at startup to do an led facility. Where has anyone said differently??Or even more important...where did I say that??? Nowhere that's where.
So do what ever you want to do with YOUR money. And other people will do what they want with theirs. They see the investment, you don't. Is what it is and no one care about what the fuck you do.
What you say in your uneducated lies about led's abilities will be corrected and thrown in your face in a regular basis like they just were.
 
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