wow, I joined RIU 6 years ago when I was just getting into growing, and LEDs, and this thread looks like it came right out of that era, cant believe we are still fighting over which system is better. They have pros and cons, none are better than the other yet just depends on your situation. Most people that are still laughing at LEDs are probably jealous because they can't afford them. The shit I grow with LEDs is always top notch bag appeal, potency, flavorful and smooth. I recently got my best yield ever out of 1 plant in a 7 gallons pot, half a pound. That was under COBs.