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Sanders Introduces Major Clean Energy Jobs Package
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GrowUrOwnDank
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Damn son! I've seen you kick a dudes feel feelz right in the damn nuts bro. Almost make a butch cry. That was kinda weak. Here's a thought. Perhaps those 7 male escorts you hired for the weekend are making you a changed man. A kinder, gentler @UncleBuck. An uncle Bucky that can finally begin to embrace the peace and love in 2016. #MenWithTinyPenisesLivesMatterToo
undertheice
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i'm not really back. i've always been here and i always will be. i see you're still trolling and making as little sense as usual. yes, i still believe that ALL laws are a form of tyranny, necessary tyrannies at times, but tyranny none-the-less, and, in case you haven't noticed, bambam has proven himself to be far worse than merely uppity.
this year i celebrate two years of cheating death, having outlived the doctor who handed me my original death sentence.
GrowUrOwnDank
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You all ain't embracing the peace and love of 2016 people! We can change the world and solve all of our problems with the peace and love. You have to commit to it first! You can't just wait for everyone else to embrace the peace and love. Fuck it! Be bad ass and just be all like hell fucking yeah I embrace the peace and love. BE FIRST. It sounds ridiculous but I'm telling you! IT WOULD WORK IF EVERYONE DID IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
undertheice
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peace and love but verify... it's called leading by example and some of us have been doing it for a long time. the problem is that most everyone else is just waiting to mess with your peace and love, hit you over the head with a convenient heavy object and take all your stuff. chief among those who are practiced in "messing with your peace" are idjits like good ol' bernie and all the other usual collectivist suspects.
ttystikk
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Whomever told you that all government projects are failures is lying to you. In fact, the government fails at a lower rate than private industry. Analyze the motives of your sources of information for clues as to their agenda. Do it for everyone, not just whatever you consider to be the opposition.
NLXSK1
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Government has a monopoly and unlimited funding. Comparing that to a private company is dishonest.
GrowUrOwnDank
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Told ya man. It's a difficult beam to balance. It's way larger than you and I can deal with. And so powerful our voices are quashed by not only those who perpetrate the system of pleasantries. But, also those who think choosing a side is a solution, albeit a plausible enough theory to correct it. Maybe it's a big pill to swallow. Yet we can be powerful in our convictions to peace and love from ourselves. No power is stronger than that which you possess. You. Your peace and love for all unconditionally for all of prosperity to follow. As individuals. No need for a leader. Just be one with the peace and love bro. It's a solution. Not a theory. You have to commit to make a difference.
Anybody wanna buy a gently used chainsaw blade hit me up. I need the cash. And I'll let it go for $25. They are $28 new. It's a bargain.
ttystikk
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Same here! And I'd love to charge mine from energy generated at my home; solar, wind and/or fuel cell.
doublejj
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undertheice
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when i was a wee tot, so many decades ago, failure was always a possibility and it was acknowledged. the winners went home with trophies, applause still ringing in their ears, and losers were given something to strive for next time around. the efforts of the losers were recognized, but the applause was reserved for those who excelled. as the years went by, the losers started receiving trophies of their own and were applauded simply for showing up. everyone was special and deserved to be treated as a winner, no matter how badly they sucked. well that same philosophy has invaded our entire culture, so it's no wonder you haven't the faintest idea what the difference is between success and failure. take a good look at nearly every government run program and you'll get an idea of what it is we used to call failure.
why don't we start with a big one, the welfare state. originally designed as a stop-gap to keep the wolf at bay while folks got back on their feet, it has expanded constantly to become a major drain on our economy. in order to ingratiate themselves with that all important voter bloc, the poor, political animals have continually expanded payouts and made it easier and easier to qualify for benefits. they have even all but eliminated the stigma of being "on the dole", normalizing dependence and practically making a virtue of taking money for doing nothing. instead of being a temporary situation, collecting welfare payments has become a way of life for millions of americans. can you honestly consider the creation of the federal plantation to be a success for government?
next we should probably take a look at education. led by a series of federal initiatives, we pay more than most other civilized nations to educate our young and do the worst job of it. the worse our students perform, the more we spend on the least of them. those incapable of excelling and those who simply don't care are using up a disproportionate amount of the available funding, while those who might become great are brought down to the level of the mediocre. the system itself is so top heavy that the students themselves are the last to see any increase in funding. it instead goes to a complex administrative bureaucracy that concerns itself more with political correctness and the appearance of success than with actual education.
even our defense, the prime duty of the state, is a picture of incompetence. we demand our troops conduct themselves with a reserve that places them at a distinct disadvantage. though they are the best equipped force in the world, the contract process through which we acquire these weapons and supplies is rife with corruption and incompetence. our armed forces are directed into often foolhardy conflicts, usually for the express purpose of enhancing the reputations of political animals that couldn't care less how many lives are lost or what the end result of our efforts really is. all the while, the cry goes out to reduce military funding, while continuing to play policeman to an increasingly unappreciative world.
the best example of failure may be the operation of our government itself. we begin with our elected officials whose prime duty has become to divide the electorate into easily managed classes, each of which is told the appropriate lies to make themselves feel better about themselves. next comes the multitudes of petty bureaucrats. the duty of each of these is to carve out their own fiefdom and enhance it by any means possible. often conflicting or redundant, these fiefdoms perform the heavy lifting of enacting and enforcing the often nonsensical and always excessive legislation through which our society becomes so complex that it strangles itself. finally we have the millions of governmental "employees". having gained the right bargain collectively with themselves, they have become the most over-paid and under-worked group in history. this is all a recipe for the grand failure. gone are the days of the citizen statesman. today's politician is an insulated member of the ruling elite, doted on by an army of sycophantic underlings and spending his entire life campaigning for the next position. the reality of the electorate is represented to these people (and i use that term loosely) by polls and reports handed to them by underlings with their own agendas.
all of the above is but a brief sketch of the portrait of governmental failure. some of it is simply inherent in every system of governance, much of it is specific to the over-centralization which we have become prey to. the advent of progressivism brought about an abrupt acceleration in the process of incompetence and corruption and our current infatuation with collectivism has sent us careening along the express lane to hell. we have lost track of some rather simple truths. chief among these is that society and the government that represents it is a fantasy. the individual is what is real. it is the individual that is of the utmost importance - all individuals. society is dependent upon the individual, not the other way around.
undertheice
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prosperity is relative, but the power of the individual is universal. i've been preaching that for years. while the collectivists have been obsessing over "wealth" and selling their power cheap, those of us with a bit of sense have been using our power to invent wealth and spread it around. i've never been able to understand why they all don't do it, but i guess it's easier to take than to try.
sorry, but i can't use the blade. since i upped my meds, no one will let me use heavy equipment.
ttystikk
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That's just a battery backup; the power still has to be generated somewhere.
heckler73
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Why does it cost so much in Germany? I thought it was supposed to be cheaper to go "green"?
http://wpui.wisc.edu/wp-uploads/2014/07/German-Experience-with-Promotion-of-Renewable-Energy.pdf
Holy crap! They pay a helluva lot for residential...and they used to pay so little, in comparison around 2000-2001. But they had nuclear back then, right?
How is the Big Bern's plan going to address that? Or is that part of the move, to pay more per kWh?
So not only are the displaced COAL workers going to receive 90% of the pay they received prior (assuming they find work in the legislated green sector), they are going to pay more for electricity on top of it?
Did I miss the part that said electricity rates would be capped?
ttystikk
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I think you missed the past about industrial electricity prices being heavily subsidized in America relative to the rest of the world, a good thing only if you're a business.
Why does it cost so much in Germany? I thought it was supposed to be cheaper to go "green"?
http://wpui.wisc.edu/wp-uploads/2014/07/German-Experience-with-Promotion-of-Renewable-Energy.pdf
Holy crap! They pay a helluva lot for residential...and they used to pay so little, in comparison around 2000-2001. But they had nuclear back then, right?
How is the Big Bern's plan going to address that? Or is that part of the move, to pay more per kWh?
So not only are the displaced COAL workers going to receive 90% of the pay they received prior (assuming they find work in the legislated green sector), they are going to pay more for electricity on top of it?
Did I miss the part that said electricity rates would be capped?
You may also have missed the part about natural gas becoming cost competitive in America and its drastically smaller environmental footprint per watt.
heckler73
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No... I don't think I missed those parts. I'm not sure what you mean by "environmental footprint", either. It is a good point that the cost of NatGas is far higher in Germany, making it an untenable choice.
Are you aware of the subsidies Germans give to the RE producers, though? That is WHY they pay so much at the consumer level. However, looking more carefully, the wind producers are getting an unusually high subsidy. I believe the bernie plan doesn't approach it in the same manner, and the Windmills are capped at 2cts (although tied to inflation) and then go down to 1.1cts, so that's a smaller cost to offset for the consumer.
I also imagine Solar is going to be the main path, for most people in the southern parts anyway, so it probably won't play out the same as it did in the opening decade.
The larger point is IF this Bernie plan goes through, DO NOT COPY THE GERMAN model, and look carefully at the fine print. Learn from their mistakes.
Rob Roy
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About how much money would you say can be involuntarily taken from somebody before it becomes theft?
Rob Roy
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You fail to include the means used in your determination of what a "successful endeavor" is. It is a form of rationalization you are engaging in.
For instance, if I climb thru the interwebs and steal all your weed, then redistribute it to me and my friends, it might be considered successful by the beneficiaries of my theft, but since we gained the weed thru an unjust means (I ripped you off) the end result cannot be justified.
Government uses involuntary and unjust means too. Please consider the means you champion when effectuating "change".
By the way, a question for you....
Can an individual delegate a right he doesn't possess?