MUSLIM REFORM MOVEMENT

[pnwmystery]

Very disappointed in you Pie. I want religion eradicated. I would only suggest the eradication of religious people if they refuse to keep their beliefs to themselves.

That puts you almost on the same page as Daesh, which is hilarious to me. "Religious people are intolerant! I'm intolerant of anything religious and it must die!"

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

That puts you almost on the same page as Daesh, which is hilarious to me. "Religious people are intolerant! I'm intolerant of anything religious and it must die!"

Not true! It is obviously not that black and white. Besides, they brought the war to me not vice versa.

 

[Rob Roy]

I am aware of the hostility towards religion on RIU politics but religion will not simply disappear.

It can change and shift with the people though. From one interpretation/representation to another.

Intolerance will only create a divide.

How can you claim to hate discrimination for one issue (race,gender,sexually preference) yet discriminate so intensely towards another (religion).

Last I checked, those were all protected by the constitution.

If the practice of a persons religion doesn't intervene in the life of another person, I support that right and the constitution alleges to, but it doesn't support it.

The constitution does not protect a persons right to practice their religious beliefs if that practice doesn't revere government as the highest and mightiest god.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Information is power.

http://m.clarionproject.org/news/islamic-state-isis-isil-propaganda-magazine-dabiq

ISIS prints in many languages a propaganda magazine to recruit followers.

They're beliefs and actions are clearly laid out for all to see in their own words.

 

[Uncle Ben]

 

[UncleBuck]

Intolerance will only create a divide.

says the person who thinks that muslims should not be allowed in because it would upset racists.

 

[UncleBuck]

I was researching Islam and found this first step towards a more moderate Islam.

maybe work on makling christians more moderate first. they are the ones who killed half a million innocent muslim civilians last decade.

 

[UncleBuck]

Here is something I am wondering. Is the MRM in violation of the teachings of islam?

here is something i am wondering: are you a mentally retarded racist type?

who fills your head with this garbage?

you are as bad as uncle ben.

 

[UncleBuck]

I must say that of all religions that I have researched, I have found LDS to be the easiest to be around. Kinda like their down to the basics philosophy as well as the lack of attacks on others of a different belief.

unless, of course, you are gay. or black. or hispanic. or a woman.

didn't they spend millions of dollars in your state very recently trying to deny gays marriage equality?

total lack of attack there.

 

[budlover13]

unless, of course, you are gay. or black. or hispanic. or a woman.

didn't they spend millions of dollars in your state very recently trying to deny gays marriage equality?

total lack of attack there.

They can spend money as they wish. Never witnessed a personal attack by one.

 

[UncleBuck]

They can spend money as they wish. Never witnessed a personal attack by one.

you literally cry like a little bitch whenever someone talks about doing background checks for gun [purchases, and you are telling me that denying someone marriage equality is not an attack?

no wonder you are a huge rawn pawl fanboi.

bigots and racists don't see logic.

 

[Flaming Pie]

here is something i am wondering: are you a mentally retarded racist type?

who fills your head with this garbage?

you are as bad as uncle ben.

What about my OP is garbage to you?

Simple copy paste of an agreement among Muslim people who met in DC.

Sorry if that offends you.

 

[budlover13]

you literally cry like a little bitch whenever someone talks about doing background checks for gun [purchases, and you are telling me that denying someone marriage equality is not an attack?

no wonder you are a huge rawn pawl fanboi.

bigots and racists don't see logic.

Lol. You having a good day?

 

[Harrekin]

Declaration

We are Muslims who live in the 21st century. We stand for a respectful, merciful and inclusive interpretation of Islam. We are in a battle for the soul of Islam, and an Islamic renewal must defeat the ideology of Islamism, or politicized Islam, which seeks to create Islamic states, as well as an Islamic caliphate. We seek to reclaim the progressive spirit with which Islam was born in the 7th century to fast forward it into the 21st century. We support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted by UN member states in 1948.

We reject interpretations of Islam that call for any violence, social injustice, and politicized Islam. Facing the threat of terrorism, intolerance, and social injustice in the name of Islam, we have reflected on how we can transform our communities based on three principles: peace, human rights and secular governance. We are announcing today the formation of an international initiative: Muslim Reform Movement.

We have courageous reformers from around the world who will outline our Declaration for Muslim Reform, a living document that we will continue to enhance as our journey continues. We invite our fellow Muslims and neighbors to join us.

A. Peace: National Security, Counterterrorism and Foreign Policy

1. We stand for universal peace, love, and compassion. We reject violent jihad. We believe we must target the ideology of violent Islamist extremism in order to liberate individuals both in Muslim-majority societies and the West from the scourge of oppression and terrorism.

2. We stand for the protection of all people of all faiths and non-faiths who seek freedom from dictatorships, theocracies and Islamist extremists.

3. We reject bigotry, oppression and violence against all people based on any prejudice, including ethnicity, gender, language, religion, sexual orientation and gender expression.

B. Human Rights: Women’s Rights and Minority Rights

1. We stand for human rights and justice. We support equal rights and dignity for all people, including minorities. We support the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

2. We reject tribalism, castes, monarchies, and patriarchies and consider all people equal with no birth rights other than human rights. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. Muslims don’t have an exclusive right to “heaven.”

3. We support equal rights for women, including equal rights to inheritance, witness, work, mobility, personal law, education, and employment. Men and women have equal rights in mosques, boards, leadership and all spheres of society. We reject sexism and misogyny.

C. Secular Governance: Freedom of Speech and Religion

1. We are for secular governance, democracy and liberty. We are against political movements in the name of religion. We separate mosque and state. We are loyal to the nations in which we live. We reject the idea of the Islamic state. There is no need for an Islamic caliphate. We oppose institutionalized sharia. Sharia is manmade.
2. We believe in life, joy, free speech and the beauty all around us. Every individual has the right to publically express criticism of Islam. Ideas do not have rights. Human beings have rights. We reject blasphemy laws, which are a mask to restrict freedom of speech and religion. We affirm every individual’s right to critical thinking, and seek a revival of ijtihad.
3. We believe in the freedom of religion, and the right of all people to express and practice their faith, or non-faith, without threat of intimidation, persecution, or discrimination or violence. Apostasy is not a crime. Our ummah–our community–is all of humanity, and not just Muslims.

We stand for peace, human rights and secular governance. Please stand with us!

December 3, 2015

#MuslimReform

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Twitter: @TheMuslimReform
Instagram: @TheMuslimReform
Gmail: [email protected]

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So they're not real Muslims then?

 

[Flaming Pie]

So they're not real Muslims then?

Idk. Do their declarations conflict with the five pillars?

 

[Harrekin]

Idk. Do their declarations conflict with the five pillars?

They do conflict with a vast number of passages in the Koran...

Shia are fine, Sunni aren't.

 

[pnwmystery]

They do conflict with a vast number of passages in the Koran...

Shia are fine, Sunni aren't.

I hope you do realize that all Sunnis are not Salafists or Wahabi, but that there are multiple schools of theology/thought and jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, which are actually pretty progressive.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

I hope you do realize that all Sunnis are not Salafists or Wahabi, but that there are multiple schools of theology/thought and jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, which are actually pretty progressive.

Are you Muslim?

 

[Harrekin]

Are you Muslim?

Sure fucking throws down for them...

I like Muslims who aren't real Muslims, cool guys, appreciate delicious bacon.

Real Muslims are scary, I once knew a guy who told me Irish women are disgusting because they show "too much".

It's pretty fucking cold here so people dress semi conservatively most of the time.

I can only imagine his reaction to inside a nightclub; drink, drugs, women leaving little to the imagination...

 

[pnwmystery]

Are you Muslim?

No, but a few of my very good friends are. What does that have to do with anything though?

Sure fucking throws down for them...

I like Muslims who aren't real Muslims, cool guys, appreciate delicious bacon.

Real Muslims are scary, I once knew a guy who told me Irish women are disgusting because they show "too much".

It's pretty fucking cold here so people dress semi conservatively most of the time.

I can only imagine his reaction to inside a nightclub; drink, drugs, women leaving little to the imagination...

No True Scotsman fallacy. I know someone who's an incredibly strict Muslim he's never drank anything stronger than tea, and has never smoked a cigarette in his life. If you said you were hungry he'd feed you until you'd be stuffed. He considers himself a true, real, Muslim and so do I.