Is the NRA right?

[Jimdamick]

What are the differences in the training?
Might they be trained equally to use their guns?
Could they also be being trained to hate groups of people?
Are they being trained by militias or survivalists?

You were spreading propaganda by outright saying the child on the right had killed and has been forced to, without evidence to back your claim. Just a photo of a "scary looking kid"
that would look very similar to the kid on the left if he were wearing normal clothes, but toss the kid on the left in the same clothes and take away his PlayStation and you will see very similar body language.

So you don't think there's some idiots on home soil arming their kids and training them in the same ways?
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We, Americans are a warrior tribe that has been indoctrinated since birth (GI Joe, John Wayne and Rambo) to glorify war. We are the supreme warrior nation on this planet, just look at our history. I am almost 60 years old, and all I have experienced is this nation at war. This country has ALWAYS been at war, in one way or another (Halls of Montezuma/sands of Tripoli) , so children in this country are only playing, but wait until they are 18, and they happily go off to war, to fight for their own God and Country.

 

[Jimdamick]

My buddy just purchased a few handguns in NC recently. He doesn't have his CCW yet, so he had to go through the standard background check. File through the local sheriffs office and waited about 8 days for the approval. Drive back to the sheriffs office, present ID and then back to the gun store. I'm fairly certain most states have a similar setup.

Assuming we pass legislation requiring gun shows to follow the same level of checks (instantly shutting them down for good), would you agree the above hoop jumping is sufficient diligence to allow a citizen to fulfill a right which shall not be infringed upon?

If we work on sane gun control measures, there is absolutely no problem for a citizen owning a firearm, in my opinion.
The problem that I have is the NRA espousing the less restrictions the better. The NRA today (I was a member) is fucking it up for gun owners in my opinion. They are nuts that have taking a sportsman organization to a defender of crazies, that want no restrictions at all and that is fucking everything up for responsible gun owners.

 

[ricky1lung]

If we work on sane gun control measures, there is absolutely no problem for a citizen owning a firearm, in my opinion.
The problem that I have is the NRA espousing the less restrictions the better. The NRA today (I was a member) is fucking it up for gun owners in my opinion. They are nuts that have taking a sportsman organization to a defender of crazies, that want no restrictions at all and that is fucking everything up for responsible gun owners.

+rep

 

[whitebb2727]

This argument says those that aren't violent but are labeled legally insane (because of things like anxiety) aren't allowed to buy a gun while those that are violent but are labeled legally insane are, and that's wrong fundamentally.
I disagree with it being fundamentally wrong. If I suspect someone of even maybe being insane, I don't want them holding a gun around me. That applies to anyone who fails a background check because of anxiety.

The only people I want to be legally allowed to hold a gun are people who know how to use it, when to use it, why to use it, and when NOT to use it, how to hold it, how to teach people how/when/why to use it, etc... People who understand all the safety features, people who understand trigger safety, etc.

I can agree with that.

I believe in background checks. More needs to be done with mental health issues.

Here is the thing. If what you just said is true then it applies to all guns.

I like ar 15's and ak47's. I don't feel they should be outlawed.

Take what happened in Paris and times it by a hundred. That is the reason behind the second amendment.

A person can not fully rely on the police or government to protect them. History has shown us all great nations have collapsed.

I don't expect or want it to happen to us. We are not beyond it. It could happen.

I hope it never happens. If it ever does, it will be the "people" that protect us.

I have issues with gun show loops. Even though it is legal and your right to build a gun, I don't know I agree with the 80% guns.

80% receivers are gun recievers that are 80% complete and then you knock a plug out. There is no serial number or background check.

We need to charge people that allow guns to fall into other peoples hand. If your gun is used in a crime, you should be charged.

Also. Damnit people if you have thousands of dollars worth of guns don't use a $100 safe. Buy a real safe to protect your guns.

 

[Flaming Pie]

My buddy just purchased a few handguns in NC recently. He doesn't have his CCW yet, so he had to go through the standard background check. File through the local sheriffs office and waited about 8 days for the approval. Drive back to the sheriffs office, present ID and then back to the gun store. I'm fairly certain most states have a similar setup.

Assuming we pass legislation requiring gun shows to follow the same level of checks (instantly shutting them down for good), would you agree the above hoop jumping is sufficient diligence to allow a citizen to fulfill a right which shall not be infringed upon?

Either limit gun show sales to CCW permit only or have a permit required from state.

It is really that easy.

But then you have private sales...

 

[Flaming Pie]

If we work on sane gun control measures, there is absolutely no problem for a citizen owning a firearm, in my opinion.
The problem that I have is the NRA espousing the less restrictions the better. The NRA today (I was a member) is fucking it up for gun owners in my opinion. They are nuts that have taking a sportsman organization to a defender of crazies, that want no restrictions at all and that is fucking everything up for responsible gun owners.

Citation? Not being sarcastic at all. I don't follow the NRA's behavior.

If you know a few search terms, that could get me started.

 

[god1]

If we work on sane gun control measures, there is absolutely no problem for a citizen owning a firearm, in my opinion.
The problem that I have is the NRA espousing the less restrictions the better. The NRA today (I was a member) is fucking it up for gun owners in my opinion. They are nuts that have taking a sportsman organization to a defender of crazies, that want no restrictions at all and that is fucking everything up for responsible gun owners.

What exactly is it you want to change?

The politics of gun ownership, philosophical beliefs of gun owners or the way this country deals with the people that use guns to do bad?

 

[bearkat42]

Is the NRA right? No, because...

 

[bearkat42]

It's called the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, but the NRA still opposes it.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124169/roanoke-mayor-doesnt-understand-history-plans-repeat-it

 

[Not GOP]

It's called fear and scare tactics to try and take away people's guns. Less liberty for the black man, of course. Same old Democrats as always, trying to take away somebody's rights.

This is just another reason why Trump is so popular, and crushing the polls right now. I hope Obama keeps pouring more sh*t from his mouth. That would be awesome

 

[bearkat42]

It's called fear and scare tactics to try and take away people's guns. Less liberty for the black man, of course. Same old Democrats as always, trying to take away somebody's rights.

This is just another reason why Trump is so popular, and crushing the polls right now. I hope Obama keeps pouring more sh*t from his mouth. That would be awesome

The answer is definitely MORE guns.

 

[Not GOP]

If anything, the government's history with blacks should show you not to trust them so damn much. Hang onto every word, and then cite their propaganda. If it wasn't self inflicted through indoctrination, I'd probably feel sorry for you. Which old, white Democrat do you support for president? Shrillary or the Socialist Jew?

 

[OddBall1st]

If more guns prevents crime, why does the nation with the highest number of guns have the highest number of gun deaths?

We have the highest gun deaths because without the other having a gun, the death of the criminal wouldn`t happen. We don`t want that now, Do we ?

If we use your logic, you would have more criminals getting away with shit.

A street with gun owners and a street without guns for protection,...Which one is gonna be hard to get away with?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Is the NRA right? No, because...

It's a funny image, but it doesn't discount that a great many NRA members did serve and many in combat. I'm not a member because I'm not much of a "joiner", but they do provide services and representation that their members desire.

 

[bearkat42]

If anything, the government's history with blacks should show you not to trust them so damn much. Hang onto every word, and then cite their propaganda. If it wasn't self inflicted through indoctrination, I'd probably feel sorry for you. Which old, white Democrat do you support for president? Shrillary or the Socialist Jew?

So these numbers aren't accurate? Is that your claim? And the election is literally a year away. What's your hurry?

 

[bearkat42]

they do provide services and representation that their members desire.

So does the klan.

 

[OddBall1st]

The answer is definitely MORE guns.

When you say gun related homicides, Do you mean good guy kills bad guy or bad guys kill good guy ?

 

[bearkat42]

When you say gun related homicides, Do you mean good guy kills bad guy or bad guys kill good guy ?

I mean gun related homicides.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

The answer is definitely MORE guns.

Actually, what that tells me is the numbers are ridiculously small. 3.2 homicides by gun per 100,000? I can totally live with that number, it could probably go to 25-50 before I even took notice. Are you kidding me? 3.2/100,000 is fucking infinitesimal.

 

[Not GOP]

So these numbers aren't accurate? Is that your claim? And the election is literally a year away. What's your hurry?

I'm saying that there are far more guns than people people in the country. Try and take them away, all you end up with is guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and NOT the law abiding citizens who comply.It's a recipe for disaster. 92% of mass murder shootings since 2009, have happened in gun free zones. If you want to see the frequency of mass shootings go up, then increase the number of gun free zones. i.e: France