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Is the NRA right?

Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Padawanbater2 said:
This argument says those that aren't violent but are labeled legally insane (because of things like anxiety) aren't allowed to buy a gun while those that are violent but are labeled legally insane are, and that's wrong fundamentally.
I disagree with it being fundamentally wrong. If I suspect someone of even maybe being insane, I don't want them holding a gun around me. That applies to anyone who fails a background check because of anxiety.

The only people I want to be legally allowed to hold a gun are people who know how to use it, when to use it, why to use it, and when NOT to use it, how to hold it, how to teach people how/when/why to use it, etc... People who understand all the safety features, people who understand trigger safety, etc.
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People with anxiety are not labeled insane.

Anxiety does not equal schizophrenia.
 
Flaming Pie

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I can tell the difference between those two children.

One has lost his innocence. One has lost his childhood and gleeful spirit.
 
ricky1lung

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Flaming Pie said:
I can tell the difference between those two children.

One has lost his innocence. One has lost his childhood and gleeful spirit.
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Both, stolen.
But saying so highlights how scary those images truly are.

Who knows what the next wave of fighters will be, who knows what any of those gun carrying children are being taught. They could both be trained in arms equally and be taught intolerance and hatred for anyone just as easy.

Those two kids could realistically have the same cold stare and instructed belief systems that would have them kill "their purported enemies"
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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ricky1lung said:
Both, stolen.
But saying so highlights how scary those images truly are.

Who knows what the next wave of fighters will be, who knows what any of those gun carrying children are being taught. They could both be trained in arms equally and be taught intolerance and hatred for anyone just as easy.

Those two kids could realistically have the same cold stare and instructed belief systems that would have them kill "their purported enemies"
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No. The child on the left has been taught to respect life. Teaching a child the proper respect of a gun reduces the chance of them playing with it like a toy.

The child on the right has killed. They make their children kill prisoners by shooting and beheading. His stare is cold because he is ready to kill on command.

You really cannot compare the two minds of these children.
 
ricky1lung

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Flaming Pie said:
No. The child on the left has been taught to respect life. Teaching a child the proper respect of a gun reduces the chance of them playing with it like a toy.

The child on the right has killed. They make their children kill prisoners by shooting and beheading. His stare is cold because he is ready to kill on command.

You really cannot compare the two minds of these children.
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It's easy to know its about what they're taught.
The training remains essentially the same.

The KKK and skin heads are prime examples of people teaching intolerance and hatred from birth.

So what's the difference and who will be the next group to emerge that has been arming and training children? Will they be foreign or domestic?

whos to say the kid on the right isn't broken and scared and never fired the weapon, or that the kid on the left hadn't pulled the trigger and taken a life?

I see a kid on the left who is very happy in his situation, and a kid on the right who clearly isn't. Kid on the left might be being taught to hate just as easy as he was given that gun.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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ricky1lung said:
It's easy to know its about what they're taught.
The training remains essentially the same.

The KKK and skin heads are prime examples of people teaching intolerance and hatred from birth.

So what's the difference and who will be the next group to emerge that has been arming and training children? Will they be foreign or domestic?

whos to say the kid on the right isn't broken and scared and never fired the weapon, or that the kid on the left hadn't pulled the trigger and taken a life?

I see a kid on the left who is very happy in his situation, and a kid on the right who clearly isn't. Kid on the left might be being taught to hate just as easy as he was given that gun.
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Anything COULD happen but it DIDN'T.

I am a mother. I see the difference.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Flaming Pie said:
Anything COULD happen but it DIDN'T.

I am a mother. I see the difference.
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Wow, I'm a father. Who cares and how does it have any relevance?

Can you say with all certainty one or both of those children have killed or not?
Nope, but you toss out propoganda about a child soldier without any proof or evidence that child ever did anything and fail to see how arming children can be catastrophic because they may be manipulated and taught to hate and kill.

Doesn't matter where they live, look to the local arm of the KKK, WBC or skin heads for a quick refresher that hatred is taught everywhere. Arming children on the other hand doesn't happen everywhere.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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ricky1lung said:
Wow, I'm a father. Who cares and how does it have any relevance?

Can you say with all certainty one or both of those children have killed or not?
Nope, but you toss out propoganda about a child soldier without any proof or evidence that child ever did anything and fail to see how arming children can be catastrophic because they may be manipulated and taught to hate and kill.

Doesn't matter where they live, look to the local arm of the KKK, WBC or skin heads for a quick refresher that hatred is taught everywhere. Arming children on the other hand doesn't happen everywhere.
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It is not propaganda. They train young boys by taking away their innocence through killing.

The boy on the left still has his innocence. The boy on the right was robbed of his innocence.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Flaming Pie said:
It is not propaganda. They train young boys by taking away their innocence through killing.

The boy on the left still has his innocence. The boy on the right was robbed of his innocence.
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What are the differences in the training?
Might they be trained equally to use their guns?
Could they also be being trained to hate groups of people?
Are they being trained by militias or survivalists?

You were spreading propaganda by outright saying the child on the right had killed and has been forced to, without evidence to back your claim. Just a photo of a "scary looking kid"
that would look very similar to the kid on the left if he were wearing normal clothes, but toss the kid on the left in the same clothes and take away his PlayStation and you will see very similar body language.

So you don't think there's some idiots on home soil arming their kids and training them in the same ways?
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The_Herban_Legend

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bearkat42 said:
You sound frightened. I'd hug you if I were closer.
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Lol, You are correct in some sense. I am not frightened in the sense of scared of anything they can dish out in the physical sense. I am afraid that people around the world are strategically being "relocated". These people are programmed to be governed by religion.

No thanks, how many did you invite to live with you?
 
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CC Dobbs

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Jimdamick said:
Wow, " I really feel safer owning my gun. I carry with me all the time, but not at home, there I will leave it on the table by the door. I am already surrounded by thieves and murderers and rapists, and now I have to deal with those filthy Aaarabs", ( a quote from the NRA rag last year, maybe)

You know what, thinking about it over the last 2 day's, I came to the conclusion she might be right.
I own guns, and I like them. I hunt, and like target shooting and I collect. I own 2 handguns, which I never carry outside my home unless to the range, but that might change.

I live 50 miles outside of NYC, and only go down there for plays and concerts, but it makes me think, maybe Texas has it right, that if we were all armed, there wouldn't be any crime. I will carry next time in NYC, and just leave it in my car when going past detectors, and I will feel better having it, definitely.

Man, it makes me fuckin sad and nauseous to think shit has gotten this bad, that the NRA has another excuse to arm everyone in the nation to protect us from outside influences, but they actually might be right, and that is scary.
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We all have as many guns as we need or want and still random killings happen.

Should we all hang around in a crouched stance waiting for the sound of gunfire?

Paranoia has a strong influence on our behavior.
 
bearkat42

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The_Herban_Legend said:
Lol, You are correct in some sense. I am not frightened in the sense of scared of anything they can dish out in the physical sense. I am afraid that people around the world are strategically being "relocated". These people are programmed to be governed by religion.

No thanks, how many did you invite to live with you?
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"These people are people are programmed to be governed by religion."

Is that too say that people aren't programmed to be governed by religion here? They are, of course, but you just have an irrational fear of the refugees religion. Your last statement more than proves this fact. I'm going to go out on a limb assume that you're a "suspected jihadist". Well guess what? I'm not inviting you to live with me either, so what exactly does that mean?
 
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sunni said:
i just wanna state that anyone can pass a mental illness test its very easy for people who have the more psychotic mental health problems that often murder people they can pass an evaul with flying colors
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Thank you Dr Sunni.

Damn, sometimes you say some of the stupidest stuff.

You would be well served to visit a mental health facility and observe a paranoid schiz in a full blown psychotic episode.

There's a technical difference between neurosis and psychosis. Are they difficult to differentiate? Sometimes. But a trained clinician can differentiate them. Not all sociopaths or people who demonstrate psychopathic behavior are psychotic. I suspect you're speaking of the latter.

Btw, background checks aren't about an arms dealer playing 20 questions.
 
Jimdamick

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Padawanbater2 said:
If more guns prevents crime, why does the nation with the highest number of guns have the highest number of gun deaths?
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I'll tell you one thing. If it was in the US, those cocksuckers would probably have thought twice before attacking. They knew they were attacking innocents that were not armed in France, and that is what they knew to be the case. It's a new world, and I will carry a handgun in NYC from now on. Fuck home grown gangsters, now we are again a target for Muslim extremists, who will attack us next. Bet on it.
 
MuyLocoNC

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bearkat42 said:
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My buddy just purchased a few handguns in NC recently. He doesn't have his CCW yet, so he had to go through the standard background check. File through the local sheriffs office and waited about 8 days for the approval. Drive back to the sheriffs office, present ID and then back to the gun store. I'm fairly certain most states have a similar setup.

Assuming we pass legislation requiring gun shows to follow the same level of checks (instantly shutting them down for good), would you agree the above hoop jumping is sufficient diligence to allow a citizen to fulfill a right which shall not be infringed upon?
 
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