House speaker John Boehner resigns did you see that coming?

Flaming Pie

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Also there are no christians who think the world is flat.

If you really think a one world government is going to be better than areas governing themselves, you are a fool.
 

Flaming Pie

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Modern Christians have a good reason to fear the future existence of Christianity.

They are ridiculed by half the world and discriminated against by their governments. Media only portrays crazy or ignorant "christians" which then makes all Christians look like hateful people.

The same with muslims. There are some that practice shariah law and then people discriminate against all muslims and fear them.

Same thing happened after 9/11, people began fearing muslims and by irrational extension, Arabs in general.
 

althor

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A deal such as you discribed had been offered before except it was 10 to 1, cut the discretionary spending by $10 for $1 military spending and Congress said no (Boehner), hold on tight the ride's about to get bumby!
You have a link to that? I would like to read it and see why in the world that deal wasn't made.
 

pnwmystery

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You really are dense, aren't you?

Are you too stupid to realize that racists and white supremacists call black people "Monkeys?" And that calling a black person a "Monkey" has huge racist connotations? Then you and @Not GOP sit there and call Michelle Obama a "Monkey," but somehow Trump's ex model wife is "classy?" Even though she wears more revealing clothes than the First Lady, and is his 3rd wife?

You can't even debate issues, you just devolve to third graders. Pretty sad.
 
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althor

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You really are dense, aren't you?

Are you too stupid to realize that racist southerners and white supremacists call black people "Monkeys?" And that calling a black person a "Monkey" has huge racist connotations? Then you sit there and call Michelle Obama a "Monkey," but somehow Trump's ex model wife is "classy?" Even though she wears more revealing clothes than the First Lady, and is his 3rd wife?
So racist northerners, middle Americans, southwest, west, northwest, etc. racists don't? Or is that just confined to the south east?
 

Flaming Pie

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You really are dense, aren't you?

Are you too stupid to realize that racist southerners and white supremacists call black people "Monkeys?" And that calling a black person a "Monkey" has huge racist connotations? Then you and @Not GOP sit there and call Michelle Obama a "Monkey," but somehow Trump's ex model wife is "classy?" Even though she wears more revealing clothes than the First Lady, and is his 3rd wife?

You can't even debate issues, you just devolve to third graders. Pretty sad.
You know what they say about stoners.



Thanks.


Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype.

 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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You have a link to that? I would like to read it and see why in the world that deal wasn't made.
It was revenue increase, not military cuts.
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The Four “Grand Bargains” That the Republicans Turned Down
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You have heard the pleas from Boehner and Republicans to end the “Democratic shutdown” by coming to the table and bargaining. If you have been trapped in alternate-reality GOP echo chamber, you might be starting to believe it’s true. “Why won’t Obama bargain?” you may ask yourself. Well, here’s one reason: he’s tried. Obama came to the table in 2011 offering entitlement reforms in exchange for higher revenues (through, say, cutting the Bush Tax Cuts or closing the huge number of loopholes in our sieve-like tax system). Republicans, having foolishly signed over their hearts, souls and minds to perpetually homeless-looking Grover Norquist, declined these bargains. As I’ve noted before, the Republican position here is: you get nothing. That’s my narrative: Obama comes to table, Republicans turn down every offer. You may believe something else. Let’s take a look at the facts.

Offer 1: Bowles-Simpson (Aka National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform)

In 2010, Obama established the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform to produce a plan that would achieve long-term fiscal sustainability. He appointed Alan Simpson (R) and Erskine Bowles (D) to head the commission. On December 1st the commission released its proposal.

What would have happened?



The proposal included 1,661 billion in discretionary cuts, $341 billion in healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid) cuts, $215 billion in other mandatory spending cuts, $995 billion in new revenues, $673 billion in interest savings and $238 billion in Social Security cuts between 2012 and 2020.

Why did it fail? Paul Ryan opposed the deal (and worked behind-the-scenes to get an even more radical proposal to block-grant Medicaid) and combined with the force of the Norquist no-tax pledge, the proposal was DOA. The vote was 11 – 7 in favor of the plan (short of the 14-vote threshold necessary to move forward to congress). All three Republican representatives on the commission (Paul Ryan, David Camp and Jeb Hensarling) voted “No.” Later, in a move so cynical it baffled the imagination, Ryan accused Obama of causing the plan to fail.

Offer 2: The United States Congress Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction (The “Supercommittee”)

Established by the Budget Control Act on August 2, 2011 and aimed at ensuring that the idiotic and job-killing “sequestration cuts” would be avoided.

What would have happened?

Democrats proposed 3 trillion (twice as much as the 1.5 trillion the commission set out to find) including 1.3 trillion in new revenues. Republicans sought 1.2 trillion in deficit reduction (that’s lower than 3 trillion for those keeping track) with 300 billion in new revenues. However, being Republicans, they also proposed lowering the top marginal tax rate from 35% to 28%. The commission ended without a deal with the majority of Americans blaming Republicans for the failure.

Why did it fail?

This failure was again due to the Republican refusal to countenance tax cuts. Instead, they aimed to keep the Bush Tax Cuts permanent. That’s right. When Republicans go to bargain for deficit reduction they put forward a plan to increase the deficit. Then, they savagely cut discretionary programs for the poor and call it a day.

Offer 3: The Senate “Gang of Six”

An informal group of Senators (three from each party) that began meeting in July 2011.

What would have happened?

The Senate “Gang of Six” produced a plan in July 2011 to cut deficits by $3.7 trillion through a combination of new revenue($1 trillion) and spending cuts.

Why did it fail?

From Jennifer Rubin: “Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) often provides the details and the ammunition for conservatives to combat bad ideas; last night he dropped what one Republican Senate adviser called a “bomb” on the Gang of Six…”

Offer 4. Biden Working Group

During the same time the Senate “Gang of Six” committee was being squashed by Paul Ryan, the Biden working group was running into what would become a perennial problem: Democrats offered entitlement concession and Republicans refused to budge on new revenues. Many proposals were floated, but the demise of the “Gang of Six” spelled doom for the Biden meetings.

Allow me to make a few more observations.

1. Obama worked tirelessly to make the Affordable Care Act revenue-neutral, which is why he added in the Medical Device Tax and Cadillac Tax he opposed into the bill.

2. The National Review only cares about deficits while Democrats are in office.

3. Q. Who said this: “You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.”

A. Dick Cheney

4. Paul Ryan has single-handedly ruinedalmost every attempt to work toward a bipartisan agreement.

5. Last time Obama bargained with Republicans over default, his concessions angered fellow Democrats, but Boehner still walked away.

6. It’s worth noting that in place of comprehensive entitlement reform and revenue increases, we’ve gotten economy-destroying discretionary cuts (i.e. what neither party wants).

All of these plans failed because the most powerful Republicans (Boehner, Cantor, Ryan) and the Tea Party Caucus are not looking for a compromise. They want unilateral concessions. 19. Remember that number. It’s how many times the Democrats tried to bargain with Republicans before the shutdown/debt ceiling. In The Price of Politics, Bob Woodward quoted Obama as constantly feeling like he was King Solomon and the Republicans kept trying to get him to chop the baby in half. It certainly seems like that. Remember in the Republican Presidential debates when all the candidates said they would turn down an offer of 10 – 1 spending cuts to revenue increases? That’s the problem we’re facing right now. Yeah, that’s why nothing is happening.


So the offer was made but turned down by the GOP.

Lets be real here the Republicans fuck shit up and Dems step in to clean up their mess, it's that simple. Look if it were a Republican President in the White House at this moment with unemployment down to 5.1, gas below $2 ( in my state ), stock market is at its highest level ever, affordable health care for over 17 million who never had it, Osama bin Laden is dead, car manufacturing is alive and kicking etc, etc...BTW no GOP support, the Republicans would have a new God to worship, move over Ronnie.

B4L
 
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Blunted 4 lyfe

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Ok, that is not saying what you originally said at all.
Ok I concede it wasn't exactly what I said, but come on really? A $1 dollar increase in tax revenue for $10 in cuts, you won't do that? If you really care about the debt ( ONLY when its a dem in the WH) why not do this deal? I'll tell you why, the GOP is the party of no, thats why!

From the day he was inagurated as President Newt Gengrich and others formulated a conspiracy NOT to negotiate with this President, no, not can we do to win back the WH,no it was just plain obstruction. The GOP is living in a bubble now, with the likes of FOX, Rush Limpdick, Glen Beck, Ann Coulter and all the other crazies.

B4L
 
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NLXSK1

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This was in the making ever since the no vote of confidence, the looneys want to shut down the Government again over Planned Parenthood.
Who cares?

We gave the Republicans both the house and the senate and they are now whining they need the presidency to change anything. Fucking bunch of losers the lot of them... Dem's too... And dont forget those fucking independents!!
 
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