GOP debate

[schuylaar]

You need to look in a mirror because you are completely hysterical.

The rich in this country are the people who pay for things. They create the jobs and the wealth that trickles down through society. The harder you make it for them to make money, the less trickles down and then you accuse them of being greedy and demand that they pay more.

The government took in a record amount of income this year yet they will still spend more than they take in. They have been doing this for decade upon decade. Maybe you are looking at the wrong person as your enemy...

not when fortune 500's don't pay a penny.

 

[NLXSK1]

not when fortune 500's don't pay a penny.

If we had a consumption tax then they would pay for all the materials they used for their businesses instead of the current tax code you seem to be fighting so hard to protect.

 

[schuylaar]

This country is supposed to be about freedom. You know, the thing you strive so hard to stomp out....

Equality of outcome for all so we can be equally miserable.

Envy and jealousy is poisonous.

so what you're saying is, you're okay with fortune 500's not paying any taxes? on all their profit? on the roads you and i paid (and continue to pay) for?

 

[pnwmystery]

so what you're saying is, you're okay with fortune 500's not paying any taxes? on all their profit? on the roads you and i paid (and continue to pay) for?

"In 2006, Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler at The University of Michigan and Georgia State University created fake newspaper articles about polarizing political issues. The articles were written in a way which would confirm a widespread misconception about certain ideas in American politics. As soon as a person read a fake article, researchers then handed over a true article which corrected the first. For instance, one article suggested the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The next said the U.S. never found them, which was the truth. Those opposed to the war or who had strong liberal leanings tended to disagree with the original article and accept the second. Those who supported the war and leaned more toward the conservative camp tended to agree with the first article and strongly disagree with the second. These reactions shouldn’t surprise you. What should give you pause though is how conservatives felt about the correction. After reading that there were no WMDs, they reported being even more certain than before there actually were WMDs and their original beliefs were correct."

He's a lost cause I'm beginning to realize.

 

[NLXSK1]

so what you're saying is, you're okay with fortune 500's not paying any taxes? on all their profit? on the roads you and i paid (and continue to pay) for?

What I am saying is that it is the current tax code that allows corporations to avoid paying certain taxes. BTW, if you think any fortune 500 pays NO taxes then you are delusional. Certain corporations get tax breaks FROM THE GOVERNMENT that are hyped to the point of ridiculousness.

A flat tax would be much more fair for all businesses as there would not be loopholes for the big boys over the little ones.

And BTW, I am the one advocating a change in the way we pay taxes, you seem to be the one defending the staus quo. You are making yourself look kinda silly here defending the same people that created what you consider to be a problem.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Since you are so into graphs, why dont you look up and show a graph of government benefit consumption as a percent of income. You might find out that poor people actually use more resources. Kinda logical but well... So, if a poor person pays a percentage but uses more of the resources yet a rich person pays the same percentage but uses less of the resources... Is it the same?
Hmm....

 

[NLXSK1]

Oh look, I can almost see hillary clinton at the top 10% of that top .01%!!!! Nope, it was just a fat cloud ;]

 

[Padawanbater2]

Oh look, I can almost see hillary clinton at the top 10% of that top .01%!!!! Nope, it was just a fat cloud ;]

That's where all the money goes, you're telling me the tax codes are too high right now (the lowest they've been in modern history) for any of that to "trickle down" to lower income brackets?

So, what, the taxes need to be even lower on the rich for the tax system you support - supply side economics - to work? How low do they need to be to until poorer people benefit?

According to the recent report from the IMF:

"First, we show why policymakers need to focus on the poor and the middle class. Earlier IMF work
has shown that income inequality matters for growth and its sustainability. Our analysis suggests
that the income distribution itself matters for growth as well. Specifically, if the income share of the
top 20 percent (the rich) increases, then GDP growth actually declines over the medium term,
suggesting that the benefits do not trickle down. In contrast, an increase in the income share of the
bottom 20 percent (the poor) is associated with higher GDP growth. The poor and the middle class
matter the most for growth via a number of interrelated economic, social, and political channels."

 

[schuylaar]

"In 2006, Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler at The University of Michigan and Georgia State University created fake newspaper articles about polarizing political issues. The articles were written in a way which would confirm a widespread misconception about certain ideas in American politics. As soon as a person read a fake article, researchers then handed over a true article which corrected the first. For instance, one article suggested the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The next said the U.S. never found them, which was the truth. Those opposed to the war or who had strong liberal leanings tended to disagree with the original article and accept the second. Those who supported the war and leaned more toward the conservative camp tended to agree with the first article and strongly disagree with the second. These reactions shouldn’t surprise you. What should give you pause though is how conservatives felt about the correction. After reading that there were no WMDs, they reported being even more certain than before there actually were WMDs and their original beliefs were correct."

He's a lost cause I'm beginning to realize.

yeah. that's what i mean when i say stinkin' thinkin'..i've got my own theory which has to do with those who can accept blind faith of an afterlife yet cannot factual real time events. consistently willing to believe conspiracy theory where none exists. it's the way their brain is wired is the best way i can put it. willing to believe fantasy over reality.

EDIT: also having their belief dispelled by factual makes them more intense..like you're lying to them even though they have no facts to prove you're not. you and i believe that true and correct information makes us smarter..facts take them out of their comfort zone and has the opposite effect.

 

[ChesusRice]

If we had a consumption tax then they would pay for all the materials they used for their businesses instead of the current tax code you seem to be fighting so hard to protect.

They wouldn't pay any taxes on materials imported.
And your flat tax proposal is idiotic and is parroted by obtuse people like yourself at the behest of the wealthy people who proposed it in order to pay even less while the rest of us pay more

 

[schuylaar]

They wouldn't pay any taxes on materials imported.
And your flat tax proposal is idiotic and is parroted by obtuse people like yourself at the behest of the wealthy people who proposed it in order to pay even less while the rest of us pay more

in a nutshell..it's in their (c-corp) best interest to keep the racial divide going.

that's a big part of the conversation.

'blackie' taking what's 'rightfully' yours (as whitey).

 

[Uncle Ben]

I never said taxes are not necessary, duh. It's the manner in which they're are assessed and collected that sucks. Our tax system is a big mess. Hopefully the new conservative president will support a bill to simplify it based on people's consumption as shown in my example. The top and middle tier of tax payers are picking up the tab for the rest of society's losers. It's time they pay their share.

When you get a check from the IRS (me) and you haven't worked a day the previous year is just pure bullshit. Hate to use the worn out term, but it's not fair. We need a fair tax that hits everybody in their pocketbook. That includes the typical RIU loser buying a $200 bicycle or a family buying a $200,000 yacht.

 

[ChesusRice]

I never said taxes are not necessary, duh. It's the manner in which they're are assessed and collected that sucks. Our tax system is a big mess. Hopefully the new conservative president will support a bill to simplify it based on people's consumption as shown in my example. The top and middle tier of tax payers are picking up the tab for the rest of society's losers. It's time they pay their share. To get a return from the IRS (me) when you haven't worked a day in your life is just pure bullshit. Hate to use the worn out term, but it's not fair. We need a fair tax that hits everybody in their pocketbook.

So this new tax structure will of course tax capital gains?
What about materials purchased abroad and imported in? Are they taxed?
Will the poor pay more taxes as a percentage of their income with this new tax scenario?

 

[Uncle Ben]

not when fortune 500's don't pay a penny.

That is a lie.

 

[Uncle Ben]

"The poor" are the ones not paying in yet getting all the goodies. Fuck them. They don't need a free cellphone courtesy of Obama, 3 TV's, 2 rustbuckets sitting in the front yard, $100 Nike's on all 10 of their bastard kids, 5 cordless phones.......

 

[Uncle Ben]

So this new tax structure will of course tax capital gains?

Since all you do is piss off your time in this forum, why are you worried about capital gains? Most likely you have none because you have no capital to invest, and most likely you want what doesn't belong to you. Folks' capital gains is none of your business.

Taxing capital gains works as a disincentive to invest, numb nuts. That kind of thinking is what's wrong with our system.

 

[ChesusRice]

"The poor" are the ones not paying in yet getting all the goodies. Fuck them. They don't need a free cellphone courtesy of Obama, 3 TV's, 2 rustbuckets sitting in the front yard, $100 Nike's on all 10 of their bastard kids, 5 cordless phones.......

The free cell phone is part of the Lifeline program started by Reagan and expanded to cell phones by George Bush.
Go back to posting racist videos. It's the best you can do.

 

[UncleBuck]

It is an equal tax on everyone. It benefits the poor man as much as the rich man in that if the poor man saves money he pays no taxes on that income. It is a truly fair tax, not a stick it to the richer person tax.

wow, supremely retarded.

 

[UncleBuck]

poor people actually use more resources.

OMFG that's cute.

i suppose they're unpaving the roads in texas not because of the massive quantity of oil tankers that hauled loads of oil over them for the oil industry, but because of a shitload of poor people driving over them.

 

[UncleBuck]

The rich in this country are the people who pay for things. They create the jobs and the wealth that trickles down through society.

actually, jobs are created by demand for goods and services, which is a function of aggregate demand over all classes. and wealth never trickles down you freaking buffoon.

you must be dumb or something.