GOP debate

UncleBuck

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With your "flat tax" the Poor man makes $1000 a week & must spend $1000 a week on rent & food to just get by, no savings. So he will pay tax on 100% of his income......
The rich man buys his $400,000 yacht & pockets the rest of the $1,000,000 he made that month so he will only pay tax on 40% of his income......the other $600,000 is tax free.....you see it's a 100% tax on the poor.....not so much on the rich......you get it now?:dunce:
let me answer that.

no. uncle benis still does not get it, he is too worried about his impotent little wiener.
 

NLXSK1

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wonder what it was like to have poop slide down the windshield of your family car?

how can someone be so fucking cruel to a beloved family pet?..the one who always greets you at the door gives love when no one else will?

he took off and they never found him..although, the bogus romney approved story is: he went to live on a farm.

n'awwwwwwwww he has his own Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney_dog_incident
Ted Kennedy,
With your "flat tax" the Poor man makes $1000 a week & must spend $1000 a week on rent & food to just get by, no savings. So he will pay tax on 100% of his income......
The rich man buys his $400,000 yacht & pockets the rest of the $1,000,000 he made that month so he will only pay tax on 40% of his income......the other $600,000 is tax free.....you see it's a 100% tax on the poor.....not so much on the rich......you get it now?:dunce:
It's tax free... Until he spends it... It is an equal tax on everyone. It benefits the poor man as much as the rich man in that if the poor man saves money he pays no taxes on that income. It is a truly fair tax, not a stick it to the richer person tax.
 

doublejj

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Ted Kennedy,


It's tax free... Until he spends it... It is an equal tax on everyone. It benefits the poor man as much as the rich man in that if the poor man saves money he pays no taxes on that income. It is a truly fair tax, not a stick it to the richer person tax.
The poor man cannot afford to save his money, so he must spend it & pay tax on it all. The rich man does not......o_O
 

pnwmystery

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Ted Kennedy,


It's tax free... Until he spends it... It is an equal tax on everyone. It benefits the poor man as much as the rich man in that if the poor man saves money he pays no taxes on that income. It is a truly fair tax, not a stick it to the richer person tax.
And you're delusional. It lowers taxes on the rich, and raises taxes on the poor. Please tell me you're smarter than this, or do you just accepted whatever the GOP shoves down your throat?
 

Padawanbater2

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It's tax free... Until he spends it... It is an equal tax on everyone. It benefits the poor man as much as the rich man in that if the poor man saves money he pays no taxes on that income. It is a truly fair tax, not a stick it to the richer person tax.



"It is not unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion." -Adam Smith
 

NLXSK1

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And you're delusional. It lowers taxes on the rich, and raises taxes on the poor. Please tell me you're smarter than this, or do you just accepted whatever the GOP shoves down your throat?
I walked away from the GOP a long time ago. How about your respect my opinions and I will respect your opinions.

You are showing me graphs based on percentage of income. A rich person will pay more than a poor person. When a rich person buys a nice car he will pay more. When he buys a yacht he will pay more. When he buys a big house he will pay more. Not necessarily as a percentage but hording the money wont get rich people anywhere. For some reason a large percentage of people here think that rich people keep large piles of cash stashed in vaults somewhere just to keep the poor poor... LOL!!!

A consumption tax protects investment and savings. Maybe the poor guy wouldnt be so poor if the government got off his back and stopped taking such a huge chunk of his paycheck in taxes.... Maybe he would have more choices and a chance at a better life.

If you envy the rich it sucks. If you think the monetary system is a zero sum game and the pie does not grow then it sucks. If you like less regulation, more freedom and less government it is great!!
 

doublejj

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I walked away from the GOP a long time ago. How about your respect my opinions and I will respect your opinions.

You are showing me graphs based on percentage of income. A rich person will pay more than a poor person. When a rich person buys a nice car he will pay more. When he buys a yacht he will pay more. When he buys a big house he will pay more. Not necessarily as a percentage but hording the money wont get rich people anywhere. For some reason a large percentage of people here think that rich people keep large piles of cash stashed in vaults somewhere just to keep the poor poor... LOL!!!

A consumption tax protects investment and savings. Maybe the poor guy wouldnt be so poor if the government got off his back and stopped taking such a huge chunk of his paycheck in taxes.... Maybe he would have more choices and a chance at a better life.

If you envy the rich it sucks. If you think the monetary system is a zero sum game and the pie does not grow then it sucks. If you like less regulation, more freedom and less government it is great!!
LOL!.....just lol!
 

NLXSK1

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"It is not unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion." -Adam Smith

Since you are so into graphs, why dont you look up and show a graph of government benefit consumption as a percent of income. You might find out that poor people actually use more resources. Kinda logical but well... So, if a poor person pays a percentage but uses more of the resources yet a rich person pays the same percentage but uses less of the resources... Is it the same?
Hmm....
 

NLXSK1

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The poor man cannot afford to save his money, so he must spend it & pay tax on it all. The rich man does not......o_O
The poor man cannot afford tax writeoffs and expensive accountants to utilize the loopholes provided, and business deductions, etc...

The poor poor poor man....
 

doublejj

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The poor man cannot afford tax writeoffs and expensive accountants to utilize the loopholes provided, and business deductions, etc...

The poor poor poor man....
If your flat tax will exempt the first $500,000 income, I'm all in....(:
 

NLXSK1

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If your flat tax will exempt the first $500,000 income, I'm all in....(:
There cannot be an exemption because you would again be in paperwork shit....

However, to address some sort of tax exemption the government could issue every citizen a check at the beginning of the year to cover the first "x" dollars in taxes.

So, maybe the first 20-30K is essentially tax free.
 

pnwmystery

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@NLXSK1 It's pretty cute that for such a "free and independent thinker" you're falling straight for the Republican Spindocter thing of "Flat tax = fair tax," or statistical manipulations. Why do the majority of tea partiers favor this? Well, for one, the surveyor asks, "Do you support a fair flat tax?" Fair being the keyword. Most of these Tea Party Dumbfucks don't even know what the hell the word fair means as the Koch Brothers have co opted their once ludicrous movement into a way for them to continue to try to shit on progressive, forward thinking policies and turned it into the Tea Party in Alice in Wonderland, Mad Hatter et all.

Oh and @Uncle Ben you might want to pull up a chair for this one because for "such a successful businessman" with "so much financial savvy" you really do look like college freshman who just got introduced to College Republicans via the Sorostitute blonde hair blue eyed girl who thinks Kim Kardishian is the end-all-be-all of news, and lol omg like Donald Trump like totally speaks for like all of us because like if Obama gets like into office again or like another Democrat my daddy like who just bought me like this really nice car says like my trust fund is going to go away and like how ever is he going to like pay for my pool or like my horses if like the government spends all our money on like poor people, so now you have a total hard-on for the Conservatards.

We all get that taxes are a pain in the ass, this is a no brainer. However, what some of you Conservatards seem to forget is that taxes are necessary. I know that everything privatized to the point where society is split between the "haves" and the "have nots," the United States has been renamed to the "United States of America brought to you by the Phillip-Nike-Pepsi-Coke-Kraft Conglomerate," everyone lives in gated communities, and outside of the gated communities is where all the minorities and "undesirables" live in lawless areas, but that's besides the point.

So let's break down WHY the flat tax is so stupid, and WHY you're gobbling up this stupid political marketing term of "Fair Tax" like you were an Somali child sitting down at an obese American's Thanksgiving dinner table for the first time.

Let's start low @ 10% and we'll take Johnny Lowincome @ $20,000, and Johnny Highincome @ $1,000,000. Now let's say Johnny Lowincome and Johnny Highincome spend the same amount per year: $10,000. Now, when tax time comes around, Johnny L will shell out $2,000 (10% in taxes) leaving him with $18,000, while Johnny H will shell out $100,000 (10% in taxes) leaving him with $900,000. Here's where it becomes unfair: Johnny L, for basic living expenses during the year will now only be left with $8,000 dollars or 40% of his wealth, whereas Johnny H will be left with 89% of his total wealth. Is this fair? No.

Now I know what you're going to say right off the bat, "That's not a fair comparison!" Because they're both spending $10,000 on basic living expenses. So, how do we remedy this? Do we increase the amount that Johnny H spends a year, or do we decrease the amount that Johnny L spends a year? The conservative in me screams, "Johnny L should spend less! He's poor!" But guess what? It doesn't work that way. In reality, Johnny L is going to spend more than $10,000 a year in basic living expenses most likely, unless he lives in a box. Now if Johnny L has a wife, Joanna L, and two children Jimmy L and Jamie L, he might be spending almost everything he earns after taxes. So rather than being left with 40% of his wealth, we might actually see that he'll be left with ~1-20% of his wealth at the end of it.

Right now, because of Reagan, we are actually looking at the lowest Capital Gains, Income, and Corporate tax since the 1920s. And people are sitting there scratching their heads wondering why income inequality is an issue, and why the Federal government has to keep borrowing money and increase our debts. Well, it really doesn't take an economist to figure out that taxes are what keeps a government running, and when you lower taxes to one of the lowest rates in history, the Federal government is not going to have a lot of money. Really, it's SUPER simple math, and I hate math.

Effectively, the Libertarian-esque wet dream that is Rand Paul and his "Fair flat tax" of 14.5% would lower taxes on the rich, because they currently pay 20% in taxes, and raise taxes on the poor because if you making 20-25,000/year you're only going to be paying maybe like 4-10% in taxes or something like that. So now do we all understand why the flat tax isn't so "Fair?"

Q.E.D. mic drop.
 

schuylaar

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I walked away from the GOP a long time ago. How about your respect my opinions and I will respect your opinions.

You are showing me graphs based on percentage of income. A rich person will pay more than a poor person. When a rich person buys a nice car he will pay more. When he buys a yacht he will pay more. When he buys a big house he will pay more. Not necessarily as a percentage but hording the money wont get rich people anywhere. For some reason a large percentage of people here think that rich people keep large piles of cash stashed in vaults somewhere just to keep the poor poor... LOL!!!

A consumption tax protects investment and savings. Maybe the poor guy wouldnt be so poor if the government got off his back and stopped taking such a huge chunk of his paycheck in taxes.... Maybe he would have more choices and a chance at a better life.

If you envy the rich it sucks. If you think the monetary system is a zero sum game and the pie does not grow then it sucks. If you like less regulation, more freedom and less government it is great!!
or maybe if fortune 500's kicked in a few dollars..
 

NLXSK1

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" Here's where it becomes unfair: Johnny L, for basic living expenses during the year will now only be left with $8,000 dollars or 40% of his wealth, whereas Johnny H will be left with 89% of his total wealth. Is this fair? No."

So, if you are rich you are expected to pay a higher percentage and a higher amount simply because you have it?

That is not my definition of fair.

Is it fair to confiscate the poor person's money before they even have a chance to spend some of it? Is it fair to subject the poor person to a 6000+ page tax code that does not benefit him? How much as a percentage of income does a poor person pay to have someone figure out their taxes for them?

You spew liberal talking points and then accuse me of towing the GOP line... .ROFLMAO!!!

BTW, the 89% of wealth is going to get spent at some point and it will be taxed at that time.
 

schuylaar

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The poor man cannot afford tax writeoffs and expensive accountants to utilize the loopholes provided, and business deductions, etc...

The poor poor poor man....
the poor man doesn't have those write-offs any longer..they had to get the revenue from someone.
 

pnwmystery

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" Here's where it becomes unfair: Johnny L, for basic living expenses during the year will now only be left with $8,000 dollars or 40% of his wealth, whereas Johnny H will be left with 89% of his total wealth. Is this fair? No."

So, if you are rich you are expected to pay a higher percentage and a higher amount simply because you have it?

That is not my definition of fair.

Is it fair to confiscate the poor person's money before they even have a chance to spend some of it? Is it fair to subject the poor person to a 6000+ page tax code that does not benefit him? How much as a percentage of income does a poor person pay to have someone figure out their taxes for them?

You spew liberal talking points and then accuse me of towing the GOP line... .ROFLMAO!!!

BTW, the 89% of wealth is going to get spent at some point and it will be taxed at that time.
Once again, you are completely delusional if you think that this is what happens. It's more like 89% of that wealth, some of it is going to get spent, the other of it is going to get offshored.

Our tax system, and almost every other tax system out there, works on the theory that the more you make, the more you'll be able to reinvest into the public good. This is how our tax system was founded, and people were okay with this until Reagan. Now it's a society of "Give me give me give me, mine mine mine."

The government is already mostly off of the poor guy's back, like I said, you're falling hook, line, and sinker for what the GOP wants you to think and is feeding you. However these flat tax schemes would only increase the burden on the poor and alleviate the burden on the rich - the very opposite of what we founded our system on, and the very opposite of what the civic spirit was.
 

NLXSK1

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Once again, you are completely delusional if you think that this is what happens. It's more like 89% of that wealth, some of it is going to get spent, the other of it is going to get offshored.

Our tax system, and almost every other tax system out there, works on the theory that the more you make, the more you'll be able to reinvest into the public good. This is how our tax system was founded, and people were okay with this until Reagan. Now it's a society of "Give me give me give me, mine mine mine."

The government is already mostly off of the poor guy's back, like I said, you're falling hook, line, and sinker for what the GOP wants you to think and is feeding you. However these flat tax schemes would only increase the burden on the poor and alleviate the burden on the rich - the very opposite of what we founded our system on, and the very opposite of what the civic spirit was.
You need to look in a mirror because you are completely hysterical.

The rich in this country are the people who pay for things. They create the jobs and the wealth that trickles down through society. The harder you make it for them to make money, the less trickles down and then you accuse them of being greedy and demand that they pay more.

The government took in a record amount of income this year yet they will still spend more than they take in. They have been doing this for decade upon decade. Maybe you are looking at the wrong person as your enemy...
 

schuylaar

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" Here's where it becomes unfair: Johnny L, for basic living expenses during the year will now only be left with $8,000 dollars or 40% of his wealth, whereas Johnny H will be left with 89% of his total wealth. Is this fair? No."

So, if you are rich you are expected to pay a higher percentage and a higher amount simply because you have it?

That is not my definition of fair.

Is it fair to confiscate the poor person's money before they even have a chance to spend some of it? Is it fair to subject the poor person to a 6000+ page tax code that does not benefit him? How much as a percentage of income does a poor person pay to have someone figure out their taxes for them?

You spew liberal talking points and then accuse me of towing the GOP line... .ROFLMAO!!!

BTW, the 89% of wealth is going to get spent at some point and it will be taxed at that time.

there is a cost to living though. this is where living wage comes into play and why the minimum needs to increase.

also a good argument for inheritance tax..too much wealth turns you into your own little monarchy.

when you have too much money, you get into the law buying business and that's not what this country is supposed to be about.
 

pnwmystery

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You need to look in a mirror because you are completely hysterical.

The rich in this country are the people who pay for things. They create the jobs and the wealth that trickles down through society. The harder you make it for them to make money, the less trickles down and then you accuse them of being greedy and demand that they pay more.

The government took in a record amount of income this year yet they will still spend more than they take in. They have been doing this for decade upon decade. Maybe you are looking at the wrong person as your enemy...
We've been over this, trickle down economics do not work. I mean, seriously man, have you lived under a rock for the past twenty years? Let me know if you have because I will apologize for being more and more blunt in my posts.
 

NLXSK1

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there is a cost to living though. this is where living wage comes into play and why the minimum needs to increase.

also a good argument for inheritance tax..too much wealth turns you into your own little monarchy.

when you have too much money, you get into the law buying business and that's not what this country is supposed to be about.
This country is supposed to be about freedom. You know, the thing you strive so hard to stomp out....

Equality of outcome for all so we can be equally miserable.

Envy and jealousy is poisonous.
 
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