Help choosing an LED replacement for 1000HPS?

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

i came up with one better for 25 sq feet plans are to run 1512 watts per 25 sq feet one LEP pro plasma in between Nano's giving me 60 .5 watts per Sq foot inprint probably more being lights will over lap each other
Being before i was @ 46 watts per sq foot and getting 47.2 grams per Sq foot or 2.599 pounds per 25 sq foot imprint with my strains i am working with .. 400 - 500 grams per m2 Pure power plant
my goals this year is 60.5 watts and hopefully 1300 + dry grams with previous test strain
will also try my latest creation strain that is crazy yields and with adding Blue dream into the equation i think this blue berry strain i am working will be a heavy hitter hoping it will be well over 3 - 3.5 pounds consistently ... 25 Sq foot imprint
Again making seeds presently, and out door so fall going to have to do bunch of seeds run moving strain forward
but its summer here so fall is when shit hits the Fan View attachment 3436482

according to you and your claims you should be pulling down more then that.... honesty is pretty important

 

[Darth Vapour]

For sure mind you prior to having shit hit the fan you know cultivation, money laundering , international laws ???? crossing drugs charges etc and all the other fun charges that come with it ? one used to grow stupid amounts so yea being honest when shit hits the fan and people start going down ,, Its just like them movies you watch i lived it nothing like watching the DEA with other jurisdiction law enforcement watching every move you make black SUV , vans parked close by watching you ..
Let me tell you son its not a good feeling ,, and specially have brothers to this day still in jail

PS its been over 5 years there still in JAIL and yeah man when your name is involved in a investigation for the purpose you better cover your ass mind you i was told to move from them and keep my nose clean there watchin

over it cause someone squealed like a pig ,, would sell there first born to not go to jail,,,,,
them days of growing 6 rooms 1200 plants in all stages from clone to flowering is all but over BIG TIME yea them days yields were higher do to plant count even with less wattage used..its was all about packing them rooms in getting product out the door
As for me i shut it off trust me to close for comfort
and when i felt comfortable again i went to 4 - 6 -12 plants least you can fight it and might be better of then 1200 plant charge lol them numbers are kinda hard to beat cultivating , and money laundering charges ... that is
so i am talking about small grows in general now no different then most closet growers leaning to LED so with that said still 4 plants over 2.5 pounds per is pretty dam good wouldn't you think specially again with a strain that is not bad but far from great Pure power plant ???
TBH best yield i ever got was sealed room started with 78 plants ended up with 72 - 73 few clones died but anyways 1 k gave me 3859 dry grams Afghanistan Kush being truthully honest vegged 5.5 weeks from clone thats under 9 pounds there dude back in da day ...
and now what do i get 1180 dry grams per 4 plants same thing 5 1/2 weeks veg from clone its what its all about

 

[Boatguy]

From the start of this thread you have been off topic and basically a complete ass. Why dont you start your own thread to spew you "knowledge" for all that care to listen.

 

[Red1966]

He"ll succumb to these lights in time when the industry converts over to it.

Ha closed minds never change

You should note early adapters pay a premium to get first generation (i.e. immature) technology. Five years from now you'll be wanting to trade up from your 50% efficient $1000-3000 light for a 75% efficient $300 light. Sometimes waiting awhile is a good thing.

 

[Red1966]

The Home Depot Cree 100w equivalent 20w actual warm white bulbs are good for flowering but you will need like 30-40 to replace your 1000w HPS. They are about 1 dollar per watt.

So $800 plus the cost of sockets. 40 sockets at $7.00??? or $280. So about $1100 for an infinitely modifiable light set up. Not bad. What kind of efficiency are we talking?

 

[Darth Vapour]

You should note early adapters pay a premium to get first generation (i.e. immature) technology. Five years from now you'll be wanting to trade up from your 50% efficient $1000-3000 light for a 75% efficient $300 light. Sometimes waiting awhile is a good thing.

Best post in this hole thread i am not against tech shit i run some new tech have even spoke to these people

https://iponic.link4cloud.com/

And possibly upgrading to iponic 624 from my 600 for just that 2 room control in one with more options ... i also been looking at gorilla 5 x 9 grow tent who knows one day loaded with LED's or COBS or probably something better then COB
Also i believe that the way LED is going Cob will be outdated as fast as them 5 watt / 10 watt LED units ...

But anyways back to the LED and still waiting on what they are doing to stop the corrosion on the heat sinks from possibly high humidity in grow rooms fans are sucking humid temps right into the internals

 

[Red1966]

Best post in this hole thread i am not against tech shit i run some new tech have even spoke to these people

https://iponic.link4cloud.com/

And possibly upgrading to iponic 624 from my 600 for just that 2 room control in one with more options ... i also been looking at gorilla 5 x 9 grow tent who knows one day loaded with LED's or COBS or probably something better then COB
Also i believe that the way LED is going Cob will be outdated as fast as them 5 watt / 10 watt LED units ...

But anyways back to the LED and still waiting on what they are doing to stop the corrosion on the heat sinks from possibly high humidity in grow rooms fans are sucking humid temps right into the internals

If the heat sinks are big enough, a little corrosion won't matter.

 

[churchhaze]

If you had spent your whole life waiting for a better model to come out to make a purchasing decision, you still wouldn't have a computer.

That being said, I don't think there are many people here arguing that LEDs at their current startup cost is a better value than HPS. That's simply not what the "LED religion" is arguing.

 

[Red1966]

If you had spent your whole life waiting for a better model to come out to make a purchasing decision, you still wouldn't have a computer.

The first home computers were useless to all but a few nerds compared to modern ones. In just five years LEDs have doubled efficiency. When they first came out, they were no more efficient than HID and stopped working half-way thru veg. Stuff available now is good enough to grow, the initial cost is the last hurdle to top to become the mass market

 

[Positivity]

Corrosion?

I live in a harsh, humid, and salty environment. Heatsinks are fine..

And cobs have paid themselves over many times...

Can't fool someone who's been there and done that. People just need to realize that grow lights are easy to make now. Or, continue to pay top dollar for lights marketed as the sun

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

If you had spent your whole life waiting for a better model to come out to make a purchasing decision, you still wouldn't have a computer.

That being said, I don't think there are many people here arguing that LEDs at their current startup cost is a better value than HPS. That's simply not what the "LED religion" is arguing.

price is about the only point but if you are pulling down pounds it's really not much of a cost in all honesty the people on the consumer end pay a lot more for a lot less

 

[Abiqua]

So $800 plus the cost of sockets. 40 sockets at $7.00??? or $280. So about $1100 for an infinitely modifiable light set up. Not bad. What kind of efficiency are we talking?

about 25% at best....

 

[Darth Vapour]

If you had spent your whole life waiting for a better model to come out to make a purchasing decision, you still wouldn't have a computer.

That being said, I don't think there are many people here arguing that LEDs at their current startup cost is a better value than HPS. That's simply not what the "LED religion" is arguing.

interesting you say that come to think about i i grew up black in white TV now watching it with plasma oh in less then a life time things have changed i i think we will see COBs outdated within your next 10 seperate grows doesn't seem like a life long wait does it ???

 

[bicit]

Anytime HPS and LED is mentioned in the same thread title it's almost guaranteed to turn into a fluster cluck.

 

[Red1966]

If you had spent your whole life waiting for a better model to come out to make a purchasing decision, you still wouldn't have a computer.

That being said, I don't think there are many people here arguing that LEDs at their current startup cost is a better value than HPS. That's simply not what the "LED religion" is arguing.

I'm still waiting for a better butter churn.

 

[churchhaze]

interesting you say that come to think about i i grew up black in white TV now watching it with plasma oh in less then a life time things have changed i i think we will see COBs outdated within your next 10 seperate grows doesn't seem like a life long wait does it ???

Single ended HPS is technically out-dated now. Doesn't change the fact that it's still a solid performer.

 

[Darth Vapour]

price is about the only point but if you are pulling down pounds it's really not much of a cost in all honesty the people on the consumer end pay a lot more for a lot less

BS truth is the the people pulling pounds are selling it a whole sale price nothing is going to change that and to come into a place and say hey this is grown under LED i know its less but i want more will laugh there fucking guts out. supply and demand and whats hot at the time not how its grown led organic hydro
think about 454 grams i see people selling it for 20 bucks a gram so
454 grams @ 20.00 a gram = 9080
you think you get that money at dispensary ??? if you brought in your pound of weed
from most of my dealings it works out being 4.84 dollars per gram 2200 pound but again your selling 3 - 6 - 10 pounds at a time out door as low as 400 - 600 a pound
again supply n demand

 

[churchhaze]

Also consider that if your amortization time with a 50% efficient flowering lamp is 5 years, the amortization time of the same lamp in veg would only be 2.5 years assuming you run 24/0 light cycle. Imo, when you get toward the point of 2.5 years amortization time, the question of financial value starts leaning heavily in favor of the 50% lamps. Sure, if there was going to be another lamp released tomorrow that was 60% efficient, I could see why you may feel like you've lost out on opportunity cost, but this is a gamblers mentality. You're speculating instead of producing. I want "a lamp that can produce", now.

A lot of people want to replace their flowering lamp with leds, but then do something silly like upgrade their MH to T5 for veg. A way better choice financially would be to keep HPS for flowering, and keep MH for veg, and smash up all their T5s. If you're going to replace MH in veg, replace it with LEDs. The upgrades people have been making to T5 have frequently been downgrades.

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

BS truth is the the people pulling pounds are selling it a whole sale price nothing is going to change that and to come into a place and say hey this is grown under LED i know its less but i want more will laugh there fucking guts out. supply and demand and whats hot at the time not how its grown led organic hydro
think about 454 grams i see people selling it for 20 bucks a gram so
454 grams @ 20.00 a gram = 9080
you think you get that money at dispensary ??? if you brought in your pound of weed
from most of my dealings it works out being 4.84 dollars per gram 2200 pound but again your selling 3 - 6 - 10 pounds at a time out door as low as 400 - 600 a pound
again supply n demand

i see people pushing there crap for a lot more then that on this site who are"warehouse" growers and I'd never pay more then 2 for a pound in my life but they get by great again it's not that much money i don't understand what your hang up is people like you probably piss that money away in much more useless ways cuz you make so much weed and your high and mighty on yourself i bet you your car is with a lot more

 

[Darth Vapour]

buts that's the thing T5's Ho's kick ass in reality and are perfect from start to finish for some growers , and or start and couple weeks into veg i have used sunblasters for some time now and they are wicked for cloning and early veg training