Americans Favor Bush Over Obama

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schuylaar

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Jimdamick said:
I don't have time to read all the comments, but I hope, nah, I actually gave up hope a long time ago ( like when Nixon was reelected by a majority of US citizens, John and Robert Kennedy and MLK were assassinated, and the cities around the country were on fire, like Newark, Detroit, and LA because of racial inequality) for this lying, deceiving POS of a country, that is inhabited by a majority of fucking idiots ( do a search on intelligence levels, the scores on basic math, science, history, and the ability to write proper fucking English compared to fucking India for instance), and that will (should) definitely give you an idea, unless you are another fucking idiot, how fucked up America is. So, in my personal alcoholic, stoned, did as many drugs as possible to escape from the reality of existence here ( I curse the day my father decided to move here), I am not surprised at all, that 7 years later, most Americans have forgotten the economic and military mayhem that was unleashed upon the world by GW Bush. Then they,the voters in this country, who elected these miscreants to represent the most powerful nation in the world ( China anyone?), scratch their conical heads and wonder why the world is so fucked up. You know why? Because they vote. End of fucking story. ( I can't do acid anymore, because I always end up thinking about what I said above, and I freak)
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have you checked out bernie sanders' platform?
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
OK, you asked but its kind of boring.

Regarding investments; I think that if the economic system crashes so hard that all paper assets (I assume that means stocks, bonds, the dollar, mutual funds, insurance) become worthless then nothing will be safe, including gold or real estate or my person or my family for that matter.. I don't think the next hard crash will unfold like that anyway. The world has been trading in assets represented by paper for something like 400 years and the system has had ups and down. A recession in the near future will not be the one that pushes us back into the barter and trade system.

The next recession will be triggered by something that I can't predict so I won't try to predict it. I think that people who say they know the next downturn will occur soon are either a wolf or about to be devoured by that wolf. I won't play that game. A diversified set of investments including real estate, broad based stock and bond funds and not gold have been robust to other downturns and recovered value afterward. I'll stick with 400 years of history to help me make my decision. Your ideas on investing in real services, real assets and real estated sound good too. I said it was boring.

Regarding the pendulum swinging back to the left, I'm not so sure that it has just yet.or even if there is a pendulum. As @ttystikk pointed out, our political system is sick. The massive funds gathered into PACs and other groups that seek influence in our government has corrupted our system regardless whether Democrats or Republicans are in control. Also, our banking system has taken over control of the regulators and there is nothing to stop them from bringing about another economic crisis. The wealthy in our country did quite well out of the last one and I see them smacking their lips in anticipation of the next. With their influence and unimpeded funds directed towards corrupting government, the I see government continuing its path towards the left unless direct and severe action is taken to stop it.

If current trends towards erosion of strength of the middle class continues, one of two things will occur. One possibility is as it has in China, an oligarchy in the US will so thoroughly control our political and economic system that the working classes cease to have a voice. With a militarized and brutal police force, surveillance of all forms of communications and near complete control of the economy and military, the oligarchy will be in complete control. Our system will change forever.

Another possibility is that the middle and working classes band together and re-learn the lessons from the late 1800's and 1900's -- that the power of the working classes is in numbers and in concerted action. We have to put away our differences and focus on common interests. I think things will have to get much worse before this can happen with enough force to change our now corrupted system. The system will change quite a bit when this happens too, so who know if this will be a good thing or not. But I choose this over oligarchy.

These are just a "what if" scenarios. I don't claim to know anything. I don't even claim to think that what I just said is true. After all, I'm just a dog that has learned how to type.

What i don't think will happen is that everything will continue as they have forever. All that said, this dog is going to vote Democrat and for Bernie Sanders and I'll vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. I think we have a better chance with them than the other guys. Maybe we can avoid either of the dystopian futures that I laid out.
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well played! make a difference instead of just talking about:clap: +rep!

we just need to push bernie through the primary.

hillbill is starting to reap what she's sewn..there will be no anointing:mrgreen:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clintons-poll-numbers-signal-trouble-ahead-118567.html
 
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Darth Vapour

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The sad truth is no president can change the ways USA runs , they get there speech handed to them , they are told what to do , there just sock puppets trying to look pretty to the Public.. where as other hidden people with there agenda leads the way... who ever said money talks was right all along
 
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schuylaar

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Darth Vapour said:
The sad truth is no president can change the ways USA runs , they get there speech handed to them , they are told what to do , there just sock puppets trying to look pretty to the Public.. where as other hidden people with there agenda leads the way...
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fail.

the one who owes no favors can change this.

bernie does not accept billionaire money.
 
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schuylaar

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nitro harley said:
Sure he is. And I hope he wins the nomination . He has a ways to go before I would think about voting for him, but he is working on it.

Go Bernie Go
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register as an independent..vote in the dem primary..don't ya just want to make sure hillbill isn't in it? this is how to make your vote count!:wink:
 
Harrekin

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Darth Vapour said:
The sad truth is no president can change the ways USA runs , they get there speech handed to them , they are told what to do , there just sock puppets trying to look pretty to the Public.. where as other hidden people with there agenda leads the way... who ever said money talks was right all along
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Inb4 Illuminati, Jews, Reptile aliens, Fluoride, Bilderberg Group, 9/11 was a false flag, chemtrails, fake moon landing and HARRP.
 
nitro harley

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schuylaar said:
register as an independent..vote in the dem primary..don't ya just want to make sure hillbill isn't in it? this is how to make your vote count!:wink:
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My wife registered as a libertarian and I have thought about moving to the independent side recently, so maybe I will.
 
Harrekin

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schuylaar said:
register as an independent..vote in the dem primary..don't ya just want to make sure hillbill isn't in it? this is how to make your vote count!:wink:
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Aren't the primaries ultimately decided by the Party Leadership?

The public vote is non-binding, no?
 
Jimdamick

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schuylaar said:
have you checked out bernie sanders' platform?
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Fuck Sanders, he's a waste of air, except in that backwater named Vermont. Let's be real, in the sense that there are still discussions about Creationism in the US, and arguments as to whether include it in textbooks, as a theory to be considered What does that tell you about pragmatic thought in this country? His opinions won't be accepted in a hundred years in this place, just like Nader's, like Dukakis's, and not even Obama's apparently.. What has to be done, to make any political progress in this nation is to lie, and then get elected, and THEN do your shit. Go Hillary! Cause she can lie with the best of them.
 
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schuylaar

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Jimdamick said:
Fuck Sanders, he's a waste of air, except in that backwater named Vermont. Let's be real, in the sense that there are still discussions about Creationism in the US, and arguments as to whether include it in textbooks, as a theory to be considered What does that tell you about pragmatic thought in this country? His opinions won't be accepted in a hundred years in this place, just like Nader's, like Dukakis's, and not even Obama's apparently.. What has to be done, to make any political progress in this nation is to lie, and then get elected, and THEN do your shit. Go Hillary! Cause she can lie with the best of them.
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but wouldn't it be better if we had someone who's pretty truthful and doesn't accept billionaire money, all the while having a progressive platform that you agree with mre than any other candidate..that bernie sanders?
 
Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
I don't have time to read all the comments, but I hope, nah, I actually gave up hope a long time ago ( like when Nixon was reelected by a majority of US citizens, John and Robert Kennedy and MLK were assassinated, and the cities around the country were on fire, like Newark, Detroit, and LA because of racial inequality) for this lying, deceiving POS of a country, that is inhabited by a majority of fucking idiots ( do a search on intelligence levels, the scores on basic math, science, history, and the ability to write proper fucking English compared to fucking India for instance), and that will (should) definitely give you an idea, unless you are another fucking idiot, how fucked up America is. So, in my personal alcoholic, stoned, did as many drugs as possible to escape from the reality of existence here ( I curse the day my father decided to move here), I am not surprised at all, that 7 years later, most Americans have forgotten the economic and military mayhem that was unleashed upon the world by GW Bush. Then they,the voters in this country, who elected these miscreants to represent the most powerful nation in the world ( China anyone?), scratch their conical heads and wonder why the world is so fucked up. You know why? Because they vote. End of fucking story. ( I can't do acid anymore, because I always end up thinking about what I said above, and I freak)
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If you were around when the Kennedys and MLK were assassinated then you know as well as anybody how your and my generation, the baby boom generation screwed up, man. We had the power elite on the back heel by the end of the Vietnam War and were truly forcing changes to the way people lived and worked together. The real issue of the day was social inequity and we stopped acting together when the Vietnam war was declared over.

Then the masses started listening to the BeeJees and went to disco bars for Crist's sake and tuned to materialism and Evangelist Christianity.

If you did as you said and gave up at this time then your whiny, practically unreadable diatribe is proof of how the baby boomers became their own worst enemy. (Seriously dude, did you not learn how to use punctuation?)

You fucked up. Then you whine about how its all hopeless. "I curse the day my father moved here"...Fuck an A...what a dipshit.

I don't know if its too late or not but we owe it to others to make an effort. Get your head out of the bottle or wherever it is and start thinking about how to make a difference. If anybody should know how powerful collective action can be, its the Baby boomers. We figured it out once before and we can teach the next generations how to do it.

And learn who's running and vote. Elections matter.
 
ttystikk

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schuylaar said:
fail.

the one who owes no favors can change this.

bernie does not accept billionaire money.
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I respectfully disagree with you. What this one who owes no favors needs is a strong mandate from the People, backed up by the threat of EVERYONE turning on the billionaire class.

We need to change the narrative in this country. Everyone likes to see the big bad guys fall hard, and there just so happen to be a lot of them on Wall Street and Capitol Hill. We just need to show the average American how badly they've been ripped off and what they need to do to stop it is to take our government back from the thugs. That's a language everyone can understand.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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schuylaar said:
but wouldn't it be better if we had someone who's pretty truthful and doesn't accept billionaire money, all the while having a progressive platform that you agree with more than any other candidate..that bernie sanders?
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The truth it will never happen, But i can tell you what would happen that president would be headlines for weeks 5th president assassinated :) lets face it what has any president really done i mean really done,, other then stimulus package, faking the people to believe that things are going for the better housing is not any better can you afford a new house right now ?? you struggling .. Be honest with your self can you go out today and buy a new car ,, can you go to the bank right now and borrow 100,000 dollars ??? what would they say ,, would they laugh ????
What does USA really make ?? other then trouble ,,
even the phone or PC your typing on ,, was not made in USA go walk around look at your clothes , all products at your place look where it was made ,, China , Indonesia, mexico , go look seriously do a count on everything including that light stand in the corner look where it was made ..
thats your real problem USA makes really fuck all shit your last company that made Tv's was zenith back in what 87 ?? where are they now ??? most companies that come up with something do not even bother looking for a american company to make it they sell there rights or what ever they look over seas .
look at your steel business all your steel comes from china
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
I respectfully disagree with you. What this one who owes no favors needs is a strong mandate from the People, backed up by the threat of EVERYONE turning on the billionaire class.

We need to change the narrative in this country. Everyone likes to see the big bad guys fall hard, and there just so happen to be a lot of them on Wall Street and Capitol Hill. We just need to show the average American how badly they've been ripped off and what they need to do to stop it is to take our government back from the thugs. That's a language everyone can understand.
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i created this in order to put in in layman's terms..a language everyone can understand..not much activity though:

https://www.rollitup.org/t/from-the-web.873151/
 
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