The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

londonfog

londonfog

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yktind said:
What does this have to do with white supremacy? I think what op is saying is minimum wage doesn't matter. IMO people should be paid what they are worth right? However there are companies out there that would have the opportunity to take advantage of employees. But again if you don't like the wage you can leave. That is the beauty of America there are tons of places to work for.

Our company pays people fairly and if you're good you get paid well. That is because good work really is hard to find.

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Minimum wage does matter. Without it an employer could very well get away paying someone 3.00 bucks any hour ( without tips).
 
bu$hleaguer

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schuylaar said:
you are a cash business so i understand this..

may i ask the basics?

seats, type of restaurant..how many employees..demographic?

EDIT: you would never pay anyone $15 because of the sub-minimum..but you can guarantee they will may the equivalent of $15/hour through the sub minimum..you would just make up the difference per hour if they didn't meet the $15..don't you think they make about that?..if i worked a dinner and didn't make $15/hour tips and sub minimum, i wouldn't be serving in that restaurant anymore..non-profits and restaurant were my specialty; they're different payrolls than a regular business.
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I don't have any servers, and yes they make tips they don't declare, but no they're not sub minimum. Think ice cream shop or something similar. So no they don't make anywhere near $15 an hour, even after they split whatever tips went in the jar. A few of them probably are close, but I don't even pay my managers that much. Just couldn't run in the black if I did, I'd be negative.
 
yktind

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londonfog said:
Minimum wage does matter. Without it an employer could very well get away paying someone 3.00 bucks any hour ( without tips).
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Lol that's about what I made at the restaurant I worked at. Minus tips.

Edit: it's was actually 150 for 2 weeks. Because they taxed as if we made 16 to 18 an hour depending on what room else worked.

The hard part is we don't live in a utopia where people care about eachother. We live in a world that is corrupt. My point being though if you are constantly a revolving door for employees and can never get them to stick around it sounds like a flawed business model and would eventually fail, right?

Maybe not maybe they find people desperate enough or stupid enough i.e. Walmart and continue to work for said company. I have to think that there are still options for these people to get out of walmart. Construction is on the rise again and most contractors pay fairly IME.

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londonfog

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bu$hleaguer said:
I don't have any servers, and yes they make tips they don't declare, but no they're not sub minimum. Think ice cream shop or something similar. So no they don't make anywhere near $15 an hour, even after they split whatever tips went in the jar. A few of them probably are close, but I don't even pay my managers that much. Just couldn't run in the black if I did, I'd be negative.
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restaurants are the worst when it come to losing money due to waste. What type of food do you serve ?
 
bu$hleaguer

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schuylaar said:
you are a cash business so i understand this..

may i ask the basics?

seats, type of restaurant..how many employees..demographic?.
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Sorry didn't answer the above... I'm not willing to relinquish my anonymity here but we seat 40, it's a fast casual bakery, and the demographics are middle-upper middle class soccer moms and families just outside of downtown in a well to do suburban area in a great school district.
 
londonfog

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yktind said:
Lol that's about what I made at the restaurant I worked at. Minus tips.

The hard part is we don't live in a utopia where people care about eachother. We live in a world that is corrupt. My point being though if you are constantly a revolving door for employees and can never get them to stick around it sounds like a flawed business model and would eventually fail, right?

Maybe not maybe they find people desperate enough or stupid enough i.e. Walmart and continue to work for said company. I have to think that there are still options for these people to get out of walmart. Construction is on the rise again and most contractors pay fairly IME.

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Well the rules are you are suppose to at least make the FED minimum if you include your tips. If not your employer should be paying you more...by law
 
yktind

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londonfog said:
Well the rules are you are suppose to at least make the FED minimum if you include your tips. If not your employer should be paying you more...by law
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I edited above. Our pay checks were less because they pretax ed our tips. I got like 150 per 2 weeks. Which is b's because sometimes we would make less then what the room was taxed at.

But on average we made about 60 a night in tips.plus around 7 an hour

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londonfog

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yktind said:
I edited above. Our pay checks were less because they pretax ed our tips. I got like 150 per 2 weeks. Which is b's because sometimes we would make less then what the room was taxed at.

But on average we made about 60 a night in tips.

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hmmmmm 60 dollars in tips plus making 3 dollars an hour working 8 hours means you make 84 dollars. 84 divided by an 8 hour shift means you make about 10.5 an hour.
 
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schuylaar

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londonfog said:
hmmmmm 60 dollars in tips plus making 3 dollars an hour working 8 hours means you make 84 dollars. 84 divided by an 8 hour shift means you make about 10.5 an hour.
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you usually don't work an 8 hour shift in restaurant these days..it's more like 4-6 which increases the hourly above..it's hard to get 40 hours in a restaurant though..they cut you loose as soon as business slows after the rush and then keep at 1/2 staff.
 
bu$hleaguer

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schuylaar said:
your not typical wait staff restaurant imo. you're a hybrid (to me).

how many non-managerial are there..just basic EE's?
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Are you getting somewhere with these questions or just keeping me from my order and payroll?! :)

We have 14 reg hourly employees.
 
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schuylaar

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bu$hleaguer said:
Are you getting somewhere with these questions or just keeping me from my order and payroll?! :)

We have 14 reg hourly employees.
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i'm just getting at how much extra hourly you'd have to pay to get to $15 x hours worked..how much in payroll would that really be? less than $500 per week?
 
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schuylaar

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nitro harley said:
Hey God.

The humidity is very high right now, winds are calm and over cast. I haven't been fishing for a few days because the wind is not blowing hard enough to get my kite up in the air.

Yes I am on the east side of the point. I am getting ready to drive around the island for a couple days with the wife and the dog, and end up in Kona for a day. There is a great restaurant at the harbor in Kona we are going to stop at and have some Ahi poke. So anyway we are having a great time. Hope you are doing well.
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mmmmmmmmmmm k-o-n-a..
 
londonfog

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schuylaar said:
you usually don't work an 8 hour shift in restaurant these days..it's more like 4-6 which increases the hourly above..it's hard to get 40 hours in a restaurant though..they cut you loose as soon as business slows after the rush and then keep at 1/2 staff.
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Hell at 4 hours with 60 dollar tips he is making 18 dollars an hour
 
Uncle Ben

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Don't know where you guys live but around here waiters/waitresses make big money, especially if it's a fine dining restaurant where a typical meal with a few drinks is $80 - 100 for two. My wife insists on tipping 20%.
 
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schuylaar

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nitro harley said:
Hey Sky.

Have you ever been in Kona? Thats like going to the big city for us, It's a lot warmer and dryer up there, kinda like a high desert. We go up there to go shopping one or two times a month.

Hows Bernie doing?
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just maui - grand wailea next to the 4 seasons..love the coffee though and used to buy it organically from one of the farms.

i'm happy you mentioned bernie..i'm just about to write him and scotch tape my $1 tip i made yesterday..all crinkled up, with my fist imprint.

i'm going to include my resume and let him know i can't find work at $130k or $30k..tell him 'god speed' with my dollar..
 
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