Drones

[King Arthur]

What do you guys think about drones? I feel that they can easily turn drones on over our heads and shit could go down. Totally not what I think is happening but in other countries we are basically terrorizing their citizens with these drones. There is much evidence that more civilians have been killed by drones than terrorists.

 

[Padawanbater2]

There is much evidence that more civilians have been killed by drones than terrorists.

That alone seals the deal for me..

Not to mention the fact that we use drones to save money, not protect pilots..

The kill ratio for civilians/terrorists is something abysmal, so much so I'm surprised drones haven't been outlawed by international courts yet

 

[Harrekin]

That alone seals the deal for me..

Not to mention the fact that we use drones to save money, not protect pilots..

The kill ratio for civilians/terrorists is something abysmal, so much so I'm surprised drones haven't been outlawed by international courts yet

Im pretty sure the colateral damage is semi-intentional...

They don't load massive hellfire missiles on it for the lolz (more than $14,000 a piece btw), they want a nice wide kill radius.

 

[King Arthur]

Im pretty sure the colateral damage is semi-intentional...

They don't load massive hellfire missiles on it for the lolz (more than $14,000 a piece btw), they want a nice wide kill radius.

While that may be the truth they aren't going to come out and say it is an added bonus of making the kill radius larger. Well they might when the bombs start dropping on us.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Im pretty sure the colateral damage is semi-intentional...

They don't load massive hellfire missiles on it for the lolz (more than $14,000 a piece btw), they want a nice wide kill radius.

I don't think it's intentional, they prioritize targets. I've heard an official argue that even though they might kill 90% civilians in a drone strike, if they take out the target it's successful. Their reasoning being that terrorist would likely have gone on to murder more civilians doing whatever it is terrorists do than were killed in the strike which is, I'm sure so very comforting for the victims families to know..

 

[NoDrama]

Drone strikes are MURDERS!!

Your government MURDERS people every day.

 

[NoDrama]

Their reasoning being that terrorist would likely

Would likely=maybe. Which is exactly what you could say about anyone, literally anyone.

 

[Harrekin]

Jesus loves drone strikz0rs.

BOOOOM!

Right, Republicans?

 

[NewtoMJ]

I'm conflicted, on one hand it's pretty scary for people who have to live under drone threat. On the other hand, I have directly benefited from drones and U.S. artillery strategy. I also don't know if human life is as special as we make it out to be sometimes.

 

[WeedFreak78]

They are already using them over the U.S., I've been looking into ways to screw with their systems or take them out..problem is the altitude they fly at. Most promising thing I've read is during the Bosnia war..or whatever..the rebels were putting modified microwaves out, aimed at the sky to screw with guided missiles navigation systems..I'm wondering how that would work. It's just a matter of time before a American citizen takes one out that's being used against us..

 

[Rob Roy]

Drones will be standard domestic military (police) toys soon.

When the serfs finally wake up and demand more loaves be thrown into the crowd, the domestic drones will make sure they get put to sleep...permanently. Be afraid.

 

[CenkTripper]

War has international rules, drones are a way to get rid of these rules and responsibility IMO....

When it comes to fighting between armies, there should be rules. One very important rule is the White Flag, that is surrendering. You can't negotiate surrender terms with a drone...

All wars are to kill men on both sides, to get their land and enslave their children... It's the game of the so called "noble" people...

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm conflicted, on one hand it's pretty scary for people who have to live under drone threat. On the other hand, I have directly benefited from drones and U.S. artillery strategy. I also don't know if human life is as special as we make it out to be sometimes.

Benefitting from another persons captivity or misery can lead to bad karma.

 

[NewtoMJ]

Benefitting from another persons captivity or misery can lead to bad karma.

I don't believe in Karma.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

I'm conflicted, on one hand it's pretty scary for people who have to live under drone threat. On the other hand, I have directly benefited from drones and U.S. artillery strategy. I also don't know if human life is as special as we make it out to be sometimes.

Explain your benefits, if you would please.

 

[NewtoMJ]

Please explain your benefits if you would.

A lot of times artillery and drones were used preempting a patrol, and once we were ambushed on our way back to Kandahar AF, snap cracking from every side. Artillery was radioed in to clear a certain direction so we could move toward a more favorable position. There were a few other times, but that was the scariest, I had never been "surrounded" before.

 

[NewtoMJ]

It's not that I support killing civilians, but the issue is really complicated. The majority of people there are really, really poor. They find themselves wedged between a force that is trying to build roads and schools while asking for cooperation in looking for terrorist fighters, and another force that offers them 20 - 30 dollars (that's a lot of food for a family over there) to store arms and transport weapons and fighters, and threatens to murder the men and rape the women if they don't. So I don't know if the line between civilian, civilian under terrorist threat or terrorist is as clear as the definitions can allow.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

A lot of times artillery and drones were used preempting a patrol, and once we were ambushed on our way back to Kandahar AF, snap cracking from every side. Artillery was radioed in to clear a certain direction so we could move toward a more favorable position. There were a few other times, but that was the scariest, I had never been "surrounded" before.

Our military experiences are excluded from talks of foreign policy, war experiences are separate from such decisions. I too have had my butt saved by IDF.

We use UAVs to despense hot death almost indesciminately when not during an active mission involving ground troops. Covering troop movements and gathering intelligence is great, strikes without confirmed eyes on target and an understanding that it will kill ANY innocents is fucking unacceptable.


How many times did you raise your carbine and squeeze off rounds into people? Or were you a gunner? Maybe a 240, or 249.

Life is far more precious then your current opinion reflects I believe. Your passed buddies would sure like a shot at it again.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

It's not that I support killing civilians, but the issue is really complicated. The majority of people there are really, really poor. They find themselves wedged between a force that is trying to build roads and schools while asking for cooperation in looking for terrorist fighters, and another force that offers them 20 - 30 dollars (that's a lot of food for a family over there) to store arms and transport weapons and fighters, and threatens to murder the men and rape the women if they don't. So I don't know if the line between civilian, civilian under terrorist threat or terrorist is as clear as the definitions can allow.

Bingo.

You know.

Their decision: get shot now, or shot later. Make money for my family after coalition troops destroyed my poppies by storing this, or starve.

Pakistan though? Justify that,.

 

[NewtoMJ]

Our military experiences are excluded from talks of foreign policy, war experiences are separate from such decisions. I too have had my butt saved by IDF.

We use UAVs to despense hot death almost indesciminately when not during an active mission involving ground troops. Covering troop movements and gathering intelligence is great, strikes without confirmed eyes on target and an understanding that it will kill ANY innocents is fucking unacceptable.


How many times did you raise your carbine and squeeze off rounds into people? Or were you a gunner? Maybe a 240, or 249.

Life is far more precious then your current opinion reflects I believe. Your passed buddies would sure like a shot at it again.

I got more than my fair share of rounds off, but it was usually just at the direction we heard fire coming from. It was rare to see them, usually 6-800 meters away poking through a murder hole, or in a shrub. When we were door knocking, it was rare to ever find anyone, and if you did they were usually just looking for scrap.

Bingo.

You know.

Their decision: get shot now, or shot later. Make money for my family after coalition troops destroyed my poppies by storing this, or starve.

Pakistan though? Justify that,.

I don't know if i can justify any of it. I also don't think we can outright condemn it either, as unfortunate as it is, both sides are not giving up much information, and you can be sure what they do say is heavily altered to favor their view. Yemen is probably the one place I can safely say we need to 're-evaluate our policy. Their gov't was pretty co-operative, and I think personnel detainment would have been a viable option.