Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Pattahabi

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Care to show us the one big plant 3 pounder ??? 1 pounder possibly ???? i consider any plant yielding over 1 pound dry pretty big ... Have you grown one that size with a single LED unit ??? i can show you lots of 1 plant 1 - 3 pound 1 light HPS grow its all over the net ..
you mention LED is good to grow 100 plants just add more LED units at what cost ??? here 80 plant grow using 1 k then around 4 - 5 th week adding another 1 k HPS 76 plants total 2 k 7 pounds dry that is litterally 30 pounds wet 7 pounds 300 bucks for 2 magnetic ballasts ( 150.00 bucks 1 k bulb included )
Power consumption 100 bucks to veg 5 weeks lets round it up 2 months Flowering 8 weeks 160.00
so 260.00 bucks for 7 pounds of weed
Truthfully speaking how much would it cost for a person to accomplish that with LED's total cost ?? i mean i want to build a room LED and yield 7 pounds how much ???
i mean really for instance i pull 2.5 pounds dry per 1k with my eyes closed that is 10 pounds wet buds in 5x5 area where i run 1 k

Being everyone is saying its so much more effcient wouldn't 3 times more efficient be the key number how many LED grows you see puling 3 GPW this should be not uncommon really if you factor in everything
I'll start off by saying I'm an HID user, always have been. With that said, your tone is ridiculous, your plants look like hell, and this is the organic section. I'd be embarrassed to post a pict with yellow crusty leaves like that. Is that even an organic grow?

I think scotch has a perfectly legit point about the quality of LED's, some of us would like to hear what he has to say.

bongsmilie

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Darth Vapour

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So your saying if it was grown organically it would be healthier lol or yield more ?? i grow both ways and the yellowing or what ver could be due to flushing and end of flowering For some its called HARVEST time :)
this Vid is just for you
 

Darth Vapour

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I'll start off by saying I'm an HID user, always have been. With that said, your tone is ridiculous, your plants look like hell, and this is the organic section. I'd be embarrassed to post a pict with yellow crusty leaves like that. Is that even an organic grow?

I think scotch has a perfectly legit point about the quality of LED's, some of us would like to hear what he has to say.

bongsmilie

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But being your such a avid organic enthusiast,, whats your concept of adding lets say Bacon grease to your compost good idea ???
 

hyroot

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chemically you can force big buds. With natural organics (no fake organics, bottled snake oil). Yield is completely dependent on genetics. Yes plants are much healthier and greener with organics. Notice my pic on the last post didn't have any fade or one yellow leaf. Its a week out from chop.

organics is about feeding microbes. In turn the microbes break everything down and feed the plant. An ecosystem of bacteria, fungi, enzymes, beneath the surface.

using bottles labeled organics (lies). Is not organic. Those are derived from organic material then processed with chemicals and preservatives then bottled with mostly water.
 

Darth Vapour

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quite the contrary ,, Fats feed fungi...only fungi build true humus, true humus is like 40% fat, digested over and over increasing the fat content. Bacon fats contains thiamin, vitamin B zinc and selenium, which play a crucial role in plants
Thiamine diphosphate (vitamin B(1)) plays a fundamental role as an enzymatic cofactor in universal metabolic pathways including glycolysis, the pentose phosphate pathway, and the tricarboxylic acid cycle. In addition, thiamine diphosphate has recently been shown to have functions other than as a cofactor in response to abiotic and biotic stress in plants. Recently, several steps of the plant thiamine biosynthetic pathway have been characterized, and a mechanism of feedback regulation of thiamine biosynthesis via riboswitch has been unraveled.
Selenium is also a important trace element that not many are aware of
So don't kid your self ....
Have you ever heard of bokasi composting ????

But lets take this a step further being humans and plants you could say are closely related wouldn't you think ????

The next favorite foods to make energy after sugars, are fats. Fats are stored in our fat cells as triglycerides, just like how glucose is stored as glycogen in our liver and muscles. Triglycerides are made of three saturated fatty acids. Remember a fatty acid is just a long chain of carbons with hydrogens attached. Fatty acids are always an even number of carbon atoms long. They can be 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24 carbons and so on. You’ll never find a FA that’s an odd number of carbons. What happens is that this fatty acid is broken up two carbons at a time which turns it into the two-carbon acetyl sugar. This is called a beta oxidation reaction. Then they are broken down in the krebs cycle as if they were sugars.

We know a fatty acid is not a small molecule such as glucose which is 6 carbon atoms long. It’s more like, say, 24 carbons long so that would form a whopping 12 acetyl sugars and since it was a triglyceride to begin with, there would be three fatty acids. Imagine that! The catabolism of a triglyceride will create 36 acetyl sugars at once and it will flood the system and they can’t go through the krebs cycle fast enough so some of these acetyl sugars become keto acids. These tend to be formed when the body is breaking down fats faster than normal. Each gram of fat provides twice as much energy as carbs or protein. Anytime there’s an increased rate of fat break down, there’s more keto acids (aka ketone bodies). Note that since the fats are turned into acetyl sugars that enter the krebs cycle, that means they HAVE to have oxygen. Sugars are the only foods that can be broken apart without the need for oxygen.

Catabolism of fat –> Formation of ketoacids (“ketone bodies”)

Marathon runners say running the last 6 miles is harder than the first 20. The expression commonly used is said to hit “the wall.” It feels like you can’t move. There’s a number of theories but one of them is that you’ve used up all your sugars and now you’ve switched to fats because you HAVE to use oxygen to generate ATP. At least before with sugars you were at least making some energy.

The Catabolism of Proteins

Proteins are the least favorite food to use as energy but if the body needs to, it will. Proteins are made up of amino acids so when they are digested, we are left with hundreds or thousands of amino acids.
It begins with a carbon atom, attached to one side is an amino group, on the other side is an acid group (COOH), third a hydrogen. Where they differ is what’s attached in place of “R.”

In order to use amino acids as energy, you need to convert them to sugars. Sugars are made of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Fats are mostly carbon and hydrogens. Amino acids have carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen and NITROGEN atoms.

If we are going to turn amino acids into sugars, we have to remove this nitrogen to turn it into sugar. The process of removing that amino group is called deamination (taking away the amino group, NH2). When you remove that NH2, you actually form NH3 (Ammonia). Then in your liver, this ammonia is turned into Urea which is basically a carbon and oxygen with two amino groups. Your liver releases this urea into the blood stream and is the major organic waste carried in our blood stream. When they clinically measure the amount of urea in your blood, that is commonly known as the BUN level. BUN stands for Blood Urea Nitrogen (Urea contains Nitrogen). This blood is then filtered by our kidneys and appears in our urine as the major organic waste of our urine.
Hence the saying piss on your plants ,,,

So we’ve explained how amino groups are removed so it doesn’t have nitrogen so chemically we are left with carbons, hydrogens and oxygens like a sugar. What is this new amino-acid-minus-the-amine-group called? Now that it doesn’t have the amino group, it’s still an acid and it’s called a keto acid (aka “ketone bodies”). The ketoacid can be reversibly formed into acetyl sugar.

Interesting plants make ATP ????
but do plants make KETO acids ????

The accurate estimation of the a-keto acids present
in plant tissues is imnportant because these acids
occupy a central position in the metabolism of the
plant and thus may be vital to our understanding
of the physiological conditions which govern the
storage of many fruits and vegetables.

There you learned something new today Animal fats are organic from a living thing there fore it can be composted some fats compost faster then others mono saturated poly saturated
and most importantly plants have a Kreb cycle
 
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a mongo frog

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I'll start off by saying I'm an HID user, always have been. With that said, your tone is ridiculous, your plants look like hell, and this is the organic section. I'd be embarrassed to post a pict with yellow crusty leaves like that. Is that even an organic grow?

I think scotch has a perfectly legit point about the quality of LED's, some of us would like to hear what he has to say.

bongsmilie

P-
You'd be embarrassed to show those yields?
 

Pattahabi

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quite the contrary ,, Fats feed fungi...only fungi build true humus, true humus is like 40% fat, digested over and over increasing the fat content. Bacon fats contains thiamin, vitamin B zinc and selenium, which play a crucial role in plants
Thiamine diphosphate (vitamin B(1)) plays a fundamental role as an enzymatic cofactor in universal metabolic pathways including glycolysis, the pentose phosphate pathway, and the tricarboxylic acid cycle. In addition, thiamine diphosphate has recently been shown to have functions other than as a cofactor in response to abiotic and biotic stress in plants. Recently, several steps of the plant thiamine biosynthetic pathway have been characterized, and a mechanism of feedback regulation of thiamine biosynthesis via riboswitch has been unraveled.
Selenium is also a important trace element that not many are aware of
So don't kid your self ....
Have you ever heard of bokasi composting ????

But lets take this a step further being humans and plants you could say are closely related wouldn't you think ????

The next favorite foods to make energy after sugars, are fats. Fats are stored in our fat cells as triglycerides, just like how glucose is stored as glycogen in our liver and muscles. Triglycerides are made of three saturated fatty acids. Remember a fatty acid is just a long chain of carbons with hydrogens attached. Fatty acids are always an even number of carbon atoms long. They can be 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24 carbons and so on. You’ll never find a FA that’s an odd number of carbons. What happens is that this fatty acid is broken up two carbons at a time which turns it into the two-carbon acetyl sugar. This is called a beta oxidation reaction. Then they are broken down in the krebs cycle as if they were sugars.

We know a fatty acid is not a small molecule such as glucose which is 6 carbon atoms long. It’s more like, say, 24 carbons long so that would form a whopping 12 acetyl sugars and since it was a triglyceride to begin with, there would be three fatty acids. Imagine that! The catabolism of a triglyceride will create 36 acetyl sugars at once and it will flood the system and they can’t go through the krebs cycle fast enough so some of these acetyl sugars become keto acids. These tend to be formed when the body is breaking down fats faster than normal. Each gram of fat provides twice as much energy as carbs or protein. Anytime there’s an increased rate of fat break down, there’s more keto acids (aka ketone bodies). Note that since the fats are turned into acetyl sugars that enter the krebs cycle, that means they HAVE to have oxygen. Sugars are the only foods that can be broken apart without the need for oxygen.

Catabolism of fat –> Formation of ketoacids (“ketone bodies”)

Marathon runners say running the last 6 miles is harder than the first 20. The expression commonly used is said to hit “the wall.” It feels like you can’t move. There’s a number of theories but one of them is that you’ve used up all your sugars and now you’ve switched to fats because you HAVE to use oxygen to generate ATP. At least before with sugars you were at least making some energy.

The Catabolism of Proteins

Proteins are the least favorite food to use as energy but if the body needs to, it will. Proteins are made up of amino acids so when they are digested, we are left with hundreds or thousands of amino acids.
It begins with a carbon atom, attached to one side is an amino group, on the other side is an acid group (COOH), third a hydrogen. Where they differ is what’s attached in place of “R.”

In order to use amino acids as energy, you need to convert them to sugars. Sugars are made of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Fats are mostly carbon and hydrogens. Amino acids have carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen and NITROGEN atoms.

If we are going to turn amino acids into sugars, we have to remove this nitrogen to turn it into sugar. The process of removing that amino group is called deamination (taking away the amino group, NH2). When you remove that NH2, you actually form NH3 (Ammonia). Then in your liver, this ammonia is turned into Urea which is basically a carbon and oxygen with two amino groups. Your liver releases this urea into the blood stream and is the major organic waste carried in our blood stream. When they clinically measure the amount of urea in your blood, that is commonly known as the BUN level. BUN stands for Blood Urea Nitrogen (Urea contains Nitrogen). This blood is then filtered by our kidneys and appears in our urine as the major organic waste of our urine.
Hence the saying piss on your plants ,,,

So we’ve explained how amino groups are removed so it doesn’t have nitrogen so chemically we are left with carbons, hydrogens and oxygens like a sugar. What is this new amino-acid-minus-the-amine-group called? Now that it doesn’t have the amino group, it’s still an acid and it’s called a keto acid (aka “ketone bodies”). The ketoacid can be reversibly formed into acetyl sugar.

Interesting plants make ATP ????
but do plants make KETO acids ????

The accurate estimation of the a-keto acids present
in plant tissues is imnportant because these acids
occupy a central position in the metabolism of the
plant and thus may be vital to our understanding
of the physiological conditions which govern the
storage of many fruits and vegetables.

There you learned something new today Animal fats are organic from a living thing there fore it can be composted some fats compost faster then others mono saturated poly saturated
and most importantly plants have a Kreb cycle
You sound butt hurt. Didn't even answer my question. Is that an organic grow? Or are you just trolling cause someone bashed your favorite LED brand?

You'd be embarrassed to show those yields?
Not if the plants looked healthy. Those poor things look abused.

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a mongo frog

Well-Known Member
You sound butt hurt. Didn't even answer my question. Is that an organic grow? Or are you just trolling cause someone bashed your favorite LED brand?


Not if the plants looked healthy. Those poor things look abused.

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Some one bashed my favorite led brand. And I'm not happy about that. Im not sure what I'm going to do.
 

Pattahabi

Well-Known Member
quite the contrary ,, Fats feed fungi...only fungi build true humus, true humus is like 40% fat, digested over and over increasing the fat content. Bacon fats contains thiamin, vitamin B zinc and selenium, which play a crucial role in plants
Thiamine diphosphate (vitamin B(1)) plays a fundamental role as an enzymatic cofactor in universal metabolic pathways including glycolysis, the pentose phosphate pathway, and the tricarboxylic acid cycle. In addition, thiamine diphosphate has recently been shown to have functions other than as a cofactor in response to abiotic and biotic stress in plants. Recently, several steps of the plant thiamine biosynthetic pathway have been characterized, and a mechanism of feedback regulation of thiamine biosynthesis via riboswitch has been unraveled.
Selenium is also a important trace element that not many are aware of
So don't kid your self ....
Have you ever heard of bokasi composting ????

But lets take this a step further being humans and plants you could say are closely related wouldn't you think ????

The next favorite foods to make energy after sugars, are fats. Fats are stored in our fat cells as triglycerides, just like how glucose is stored as glycogen in our liver and muscles. Triglycerides are made of three saturated fatty acids. Remember a fatty acid is just a long chain of carbons with hydrogens attached. Fatty acids are always an even number of carbon atoms long. They can be 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24 carbons and so on. You’ll never find a FA that’s an odd number of carbons. What happens is that this fatty acid is broken up two carbons at a time which turns it into the two-carbon acetyl sugar. This is called a beta oxidation reaction. Then they are broken down in the krebs cycle as if they were sugars.

We know a fatty acid is not a small molecule such as glucose which is 6 carbon atoms long. It’s more like, say, 24 carbons long so that would form a whopping 12 acetyl sugars and since it was a triglyceride to begin with, there would be three fatty acids. Imagine that! The catabolism of a triglyceride will create 36 acetyl sugars at once and it will flood the system and they can’t go through the krebs cycle fast enough so some of these acetyl sugars become keto acids. These tend to be formed when the body is breaking down fats faster than normal. Each gram of fat provides twice as much energy as carbs or protein. Anytime there’s an increased rate of fat break down, there’s more keto acids (aka ketone bodies). Note that since the fats are turned into acetyl sugars that enter the krebs cycle, that means they HAVE to have oxygen. Sugars are the only foods that can be broken apart without the need for oxygen.

Catabolism of fat –> Formation of ketoacids (“ketone bodies”)

Marathon runners say running the last 6 miles is harder than the first 20. The expression commonly used is said to hit “the wall.” It feels like you can’t move. There’s a number of theories but one of them is that you’ve used up all your sugars and now you’ve switched to fats because you HAVE to use oxygen to generate ATP. At least before with sugars you were at least making some energy.

The Catabolism of Proteins

Proteins are the least favorite food to use as energy but if the body needs to, it will. Proteins are made up of amino acids so when they are digested, we are left with hundreds or thousands of amino acids.
It begins with a carbon atom, attached to one side is an amino group, on the other side is an acid group (COOH), third a hydrogen. Where they differ is what’s attached in place of “R.”

In order to use amino acids as energy, you need to convert them to sugars. Sugars are made of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Fats are mostly carbon and hydrogens. Amino acids have carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen and NITROGEN atoms.

If we are going to turn amino acids into sugars, we have to remove this nitrogen to turn it into sugar. The process of removing that amino group is called deamination (taking away the amino group, NH2). When you remove that NH2, you actually form NH3 (Ammonia). Then in your liver, this ammonia is turned into Urea which is basically a carbon and oxygen with two amino groups. Your liver releases this urea into the blood stream and is the major organic waste carried in our blood stream. When they clinically measure the amount of urea in your blood, that is commonly known as the BUN level. BUN stands for Blood Urea Nitrogen (Urea contains Nitrogen). This blood is then filtered by our kidneys and appears in our urine as the major organic waste of our urine.
Hence the saying piss on your plants ,,,

So we’ve explained how amino groups are removed so it doesn’t have nitrogen so chemically we are left with carbons, hydrogens and oxygens like a sugar. What is this new amino-acid-minus-the-amine-group called? Now that it doesn’t have the amino group, it’s still an acid and it’s called a keto acid (aka “ketone bodies”). The ketoacid can be reversibly formed into acetyl sugar.

Interesting plants make ATP ????
but do plants make KETO acids ????

The accurate estimation of the a-keto acids present
in plant tissues is imnportant because these acids
occupy a central position in the metabolism of the
plant and thus may be vital to our understanding
of the physiological conditions which govern the
storage of many fruits and vegetables.

There you learned something new today Animal fats are organic from a living thing there fore it can be composted some fats compost faster then others mono saturated poly saturated
and most importantly plants have a Kreb cycle
Nice copy and paste btw...

http://antranik.org/the-catabolism-of-fats-and-proteins-for-energy/


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Darth Vapour

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You sound butt hurt. Didn't even answer my question. Is that an organic grow? Or are you just trolling cause someone bashed your favorite LED brand?


Not if the plants looked healthy. Those poor things look abused.

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I grow both ways :)
You sound butt hurt. Didn't even answer my question. Is that an organic grow? Or are you just trolling cause someone bashed your favorite LED brand?



Not if the plants looked healthy. Those poor things look abused.

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But hurt lol no no i do not use LED at all as for your question i do both organic / and chem we order our soils by the tandem truck 48 YARDS PER SEASON let alone 20,000 + in skids of amendments kinda out of your league i would bet ???
I honeslty think you wouldn't know the difference between a abused plant if it slapped you in the face lol. in all honesty i know i know you think you da bomb grower don't yeah ??? oh here some more unhealthy plants for you lmao i think your out of your league there hunny
 

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Midwest Weedist

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I grow both ways :)

But hurt lol no no i do not use LED at all as for your question i do both organic / and chem we order our soils by the tandem truck 48 YARDS PER SEASON let alone 20,000 + in skids of amendments kinda out of your league i would bet ???
I honeslty think you wouldn't know the difference between a abused plant if it slapped you in the face lol. in all honesty i know i know you think you da bomb grower don't yeah ??? oh here some more unhealthy plants for you lmao i think your out of your league there hunny
People like you piss me off. Take your ego and go to another thread, or better yet another forum. You sound like every other jackass stuck in a perpetual dick measuring contest with everyone they see.
 

Darth Vapour

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Actually Joe i have 0 runoff i do a 4 day cycles 34 Gallon mediums
and the iponic is the bomb can be 6000 miles away adjust anything via phone

Another rationale for buying organic is that it is supposedly better for the natural environment. But the low yields of organic agriculture in real-world settings – typically 20-50% below yields from conventional agriculture – impose various stresses on farmland and increase water consumption substantially. According to a recent British meta-analysis, ammonia emissions, nitrogen leaching, and nitrous-oxide emissions per unit of output were higher in organic systems than in conventional agriculture, as were land use and the potential for eutrophication – adverse ecosystem responses to the addition of fertilizers and wastes – and acidification.

An anomaly of how “organic” is defined is that the designation does not actually focus on the food’s quality, composition, or safety. Rather, it comprises a set of acceptable practices and procedures that a farmer intends to use. For example, chemical pesticide or pollen from genetically engineered plants wafting from an adjacent field onto an organic crop does not affect the harvest’s status. EU rules are clear that food may be labeled as organic as long as “the ingredients containing [genetically modified organisms] entered the products unintentionally” and amount to less than 0.9% of their content.

Finally, many who are seduced by the romance of organic farming ignore its human consequences. American farmer Blake Hurst offers this reminder: “Weeds continue to grow, even in polycultures with holistic farming methods, and, without pesticides, hand weeding is the only way to protect a crop.” The backbreaking drudgery of hand weeding often falls to women and children.

Of course, organic products should be available for people who feel that they must have and can afford them. But the simple truth is that buying non-organic is far more cost-effective, more humane, and more environmentally responsible.


Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/co...about-organic-agriculture#0xkVf8fksJTS7ifC.99
 

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