Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[Padawanbater2]

Haha whenever one of the low wage advocates gets dumbfounded they use Mcdonalds as the answer , i'll take Mcdonalds for $300 Alex

Your tounge just cant manage an answer to my question but fuk it , i'll answer your last question/statement .

Yes i think all employees pay should be based on the profits they make for the company they work for , the total hourly labor we pay to operate both storage bldgs is $50 an hour between 3 employees , we also give all employees an untaxed xmas bonus of $1 for every hour they worked that year, we also send them & their kids a $100 bill on their birthdays & give them a $100 pre paid visa on Thanksgiving , i know crazy right ? Why pay em so much when i could get people to do what they do for half the cost ?

Because i value the work they do for me , i value their work ethic , i value their longevity in a job normally associated with high turn over rates ( Manager 12 yrs ) i value zero employee theft , i value their customer service because thats what makes me money .

Most of all i value them as people & i enjoy helping their familys have a real life , you wouldnt understand how happy it makes me knowing the people who work for us never have to worry about making xmas for their kids because they know the exact dollar of their xmas bonus & can count on it being there .

I would not like to do business in your coin op laundromat, i can see it in my minds eye , some old crusty Sea Hag with a bad attitude making change & selling soap all pissed off & funky .

How much money , houses & cars does one person need before they care about others ?

Answer one damm question , i dont care which one

That's exactly how it should be. That's how it was before this modern obsession with Reaganomics took hold in American politics. It's warped peoples minds into using selfish business practices that damage the middle/lower class. Just like Reich said, there's definitely been redistribution going on, but it's been going straight to the top the past 35 years.

It's a damn shame so many people feel fucking over their employees to make that 5-10% increase on the bottom line is the right thing to do cuz, hey, they can always just get new employees, they're lined up around the corner. They take the employee's making minimum wage share of growth instead of reaching into their own pocket to make up any difference to keep content employees who remain loyal to the business.

What we have today is exactly what you end up with, a strained and disappearing middle class, more inequality, more poverty, more homelessness... but hey, at least a couple guys at the tippy top were able to get that 4th Bentley they've been eying..

 

[superloud]

Case closed.

I enrolled into a GED program before dropping out and acquiring mygeD within two weeks of dropping out of high school I had to work full time And it was illegal for them to allow me to work full time without proof that I was no longer in school. It was either I went to work so I could pay rent and live in a house or I continue to go to school and live in the streets to where I What eventually probably stop going to school anyways from the lack of shower and food. and sleep

 

[sheskunk]

I enrolled into a GED program before dropping out and acquiring mygeD within two weeks of dropping out of high school I had to work full time And it was illegal for them to allow me to work full time without proof that I was no longer in school. It was either I went to work so I could pay rent and live in a house or I continue to go to school and live in the streets to where I What eventually probably stop going to school anyways from the lack of shower and food. and sleep

Ok.

 

[panhead]

All this bs about minimum wage made me remember something from my youth thats allways stuck with me .

When i 1st left the scab company i worked for & went to work at a union company my pay was $2 an hour more than union scale called for , when i told the boss there was a mistake in my pay he said " no, i pay everybody i keep above scale " & i never forgot his reasons , he said " I can get more out of 5 men paid above scale than i can 10 men paid at scale " , right now that business is the 2nd largest roofing conglomerate in the US doing 50 to 100 million dollars business every year .

 

[panhead]

you pay your workers 16 an hour to do exactly what ?

Help customers in a friendly professional manner , perdy simple & the customers love it

Edit , with bonuses their pay is closer to $20 an hour for 2 employees .

 

[londonfog]

Help customers in a friendly professional manner , perdy simple & the customers love it

Edit , with bonuses their pay is closer to $20 an hour for 2 employees .

first you say 50 an hour between 3...now its two.
You help any pay for schooling ? Did you offer any kind of health plan ? Do you offer paid vacation and sick days. If so how many days.

 

[Fogdog]

Thread title + Post #1 -

You so don't get it. The current minimum wage equals not living wage, you said it, I said it, god only knows how many others said it.. The discussion point is if it would be a good thing to have a designated living wage for 40 or more assigned hours of work, full time workers that do a job that needs to be done. There have been many side line discussions around what kind of work would be reasonable to fit into this category. Perhaps you should do an emergency defibrillator pulse to your frontal lobes, they don't seem to be working.

 

[schuylaar]

I don't know how someone can live on minimum wage, If I hire a gofer to help for a day or two I pay ay least 20.00 per hour and buy them lunch. My employee's are hand picked and hard workers and they make a good living and I realize there are very few people that can do what they do so I treat them with respect and share my profits with them.

I have a feeling that things are going to get worse for the collage kids looking for good jobs because most of them don't want to get dirty and stinky and sore from hard work with their hands.

I am around a lot of young people that all want to be biologist and the market is mostly government jobs that are flooded with workers already, and from what I am hearing it doesn't pay much better than minimum wage anyway when they start off.

We need welders, pipe fitters, net builders. There is room for tradesman, craftsman type people around my area but I don't see a lot of people that want or can do that type of work. So I see things getting much worse than they are now.

I would be for rising minimum wage to 15.00 per hour but I still don't think anybody can get ahead much at that rate nowadays .

most view minimum wage incorrectly.

it is the least acceptable per hour amount, that you will take in exchange for one hour of your life and once again, has not one iota of skill attached. you are paying the person for their time. take for example attorney, sales, IT etc; all they have is their time when when their product is intangible.

perhaps if means of production looked at it that way..? no, no..they won't change. because: profit.

 

[Padawanbater2]

first you say 50 an hour between 3...now its two.
You help any pay for schooling ? Did you offer any kind of health plan ? Do you offer paid vacation and sick days. If so how many days.

$17/hour for 2, $16/hour for 1. I'm guessing the bonuses, etc. add up to $20/hour for the 2, probably slightly less for the other one

 

[panhead]

What we have today is exactly what you end up with, a strained and disappearing middle class, more inequality, more poverty, more homelessness... but hey, at least a couple guys at the tippy top were able to get that 4th Bentley they've been eying..

It has got ridiculous in the last 20 yrs where everybody is scraping by or loosing it all , every so often we get vandalism on a foreclosed home we bought & are remodeling, nothing stolen or none of the new fixtures broken but shit like a garage door smashed in or the front lawn torn up from burn outs , i feel bad because i know its the previous owner , they wreck stupid shit like flower gardens & wishing wells or tear the shutters off the house , stuff ya know they did to the home & put their heart & soul into .

Whats super fucked up is the banks were allowing people to finance homes way out of their income bracket & usually 10% to 15% above market value AND they got paid to write the loan , then when the homeowner defaults the banks sell the over priced mortgages back to HUD at full value & HUD pays the bank off , its like they set people up to fail allowing them to borrow out of their bracket & know they'll be getting paid full fare from HUD ( Taxpayers ) once they foreclose .

Bankers & pencil necks ripped the public off for billions with that scam & walked away free & clear , plus extremely wealthy from their crimes , something needs to change & nobody wants it to be them .

 

[londonfog]

$17/hour for 2, $16/hour for 1. I'm guessing the bonuses, etc. add up to $20/hour for the 2, probably slightly less for the other one

Yes i think all employees pay should be based on the profits they make for the company they work for , the total hourly labor we pay to operate both storage bldgs is $50 an hour between 3 employees , we also give all employees an untaxed xmas bonus of $1 for every hour they worked that year, we also send them & their kids a $100 bill on their birthdays & give them a $100 pre paid visa on Thanksgiving , i know crazy right ? Why pay em so much when i could get people to do what they do for half the cost ?

16 an hour plus about 2000 bonus for the year. Is what he offers

 

[Fogdog]

I'm not threatening or punishing anyone. I am REWARDING those who take the initiative to BETTER themselves.

not one single thing you've said thus far indicates other than you are paying the minimum you can and you would see anybody off to prostitution or worse if they didn't accept it. You said you would tell your son that his reward for success when he gets old is a young woman that had to sell her vagina to him because she has no other way to make a living. You said you would tell your daughter that if she didn't make it in the world she would have to sell her vagina to an old man just to make ends meet. I have no idea what kind of person you really are but my picture of you is not one of a cute skunk with red shoes.

 

[schuylaar]

That's exactly how it should be. That's how it was before this modern obsession with Reaganomics took hold in American politics. It's warped peoples minds into using selfish business practices that damage the middle/lower class. Just like Reich said, there's definitely been redistribution going on, but it's been going straight to the top the past 35 years.

It's a damn shame so many people feel fucking over their employees to make that 5-10% increase on the bottom line is the right thing to do cuz, hey, they can always just get new employees, they're lined up around the corner. They take the employee's making minimum wage share of growth instead of reaching into their own pocket to make up any difference to keep content employees who remain loyal to the business.

What we have today is exactly what you end up with, a strained and disappearing middle class, more inequality, more poverty, more homelessness... but hey, at least a couple guys at the tippy top were able to get that 4th Bentley they've been eying..

i've seen them do exactly this..but do they ever consider:

1. how much it costs to train the new employee?
2. learning curve and how much business they piss off or lose because of 'new employee'?
3. disruption/pick up the slack of office/work environment with 'new employee'?

 

[panhead]

first you say 50 an hour between 3...now its two.
You help any pay for schooling ? Did you offer any kind of health plan ? Do you offer paid vacation and sick days. If so how many days.

Wrong again , your not too good at math if you cant figure out what i said , all 3 employees wages total $50 an hour , with bonuses 2 employees are paid closer to $20 an hour but remember way back when i said untaxed xmas bonuses ? That comes directly out of my bank account & cant be claimed as a labor cost .

You've hit your question limit mr , i wanna hear about the $6 an hour Fishwife slinging soap & change at the laundromat .

1 How long has she worked there ?

2 How much do you pay her ?

3 How many teeth does she have ?

4 Whats the net of the business ?

 

[schuylaar]

any employers here not turn a profit last year?

 

[god1]

Ok, I stand corrected. You not only are paying more because of valuations, your electorate voted in some extra taxes.

Your side lost ....

Actually several tenants in three different states lost out because local idiots keep fucking with my bottom line.

See how that works.

 

[Fogdog]

Atta boy, I knew you wouldn't let me down

Here, this might be more palatable for you;

● Make work pay by increasing the minimum wage, empowering unions to bargain collectively, ending abusive scheduling practices for hourly workers, getting people the overtime pay they deserve, ensuring equal pay for equal work and making sure employers follow the law and respect the rights of workers.

● End the squeeze on working parents by passing a paid family leave requirement and investing in child care, after-school programs and extended learning days. Let families with children have a chance to balance careers with quality time together.

● Ensure everyone can get a great education without drowning in debt. Rein in the cost of college and allow families to refinance student loans at lower rates. Give every child access to full-day pre-kindergarten. Education is still the best ticket to the middle class.

● Focus on research and innovation needed to develop the technologies of the future. Investments in medical and scientific research let us build whole new industries and give us the chance to create good jobs right here in America.

● Invest in infrastructure — in roads, bridges, rail, water, power and broadband. Businesses can’t grow if the foundation crumbles beneath them. A 21st-century economy needs 21st-century infrastructure.

● Strengthen and expand Social Security, not just for today’s seniors but also for today’s young people. Work is changing. A strong Social Security system will ensure that all workers, no matter the number of jobs they piece together during their careers, can count on a secure retirement.

● Strengthen the rules of the marketplace. We don’t build a future by turning the biggest banks loose to do whatever they want, and markets don’t create value when corporations can cheat people or roll over their upstart competition.

● Promote fair trade by embracing only those trade policies that strengthen our economy, create good jobs with good wages and establish fair rules of the road for companies around the world. Our trade agreements shouldn’t help multinational companies gut environmental, health and safety standards here and abroad under the guise of promoting commerce.

● Reform the tax code by ending the billions in tax breaks for corporations shipping jobs overseas and big oil companies, while leveling the playing field so that millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share.

Pick one of those points and tell me what's wrong with it

I mean, if you want to be part of the adult conversation that is. If instead you just want to call poor people with two or three jobs lazy, or if you want to call college graduates with degrees uneducated, by all means, feel free to keep that right wing bullshit to yourself for the remainder of this discussion.

Thanks

Same goes for @Uncle Ben & @MuyLocoNC

So howz is going @Uncle Ben @MuyLocoNC ? @Harrekin checked in with his expected verbalized brain farts and an unconscionable abuse of one poster that's doing his best to get his life together. Predictably he didn't answer Paddy's question. No discussions, hmm?.

 

[Fogdog]

Actually several tenants in three different states lost out because local idiots keep fucking with my bottom line.

See how that works.

Yes, I see how that applies to our discussion on a living wage.

 

[londonfog]

Wrong again , your not too good at math if you cant figure out what i said , all 3 employees wages total $50 an hour , with bonuses 2 employees are paid closer to $20 an hour but remember way back when i said untaxed xmas bonuses ? That comes directly out of my bank account & cant be claimed as a labor cost .

You've hit your question limit mr , i wanna hear about the $6 an hour Fishwife slinging soap & change at the laundromat .

1 How long has she worked there ?

2 How much do you pay her ?

3 How many teeth does she have ?

4 Whats the net of the business ?

My math works fine. You said 50 split 3 ways = 16.666 you also pay a dollar bonus for every hour worked. I figure about 48 weeks at 40 a week... give due to generosity and make it an even 2000.
Do you also help towards any schooling ? Do you give paid vacation and sick days? Did you offer any healthcare ?

 

[Padawanbater2]

i've seen them do exactly this..but do they ever consider:

1. how much it costs to train the new employee?
2. learning curve and how much business they piss off or lose because of 'new employee'?
3. disruption/pick up the slack of office/work environment with 'new employee'?

I'm convinced the answer is unionization. The national union membership in America today is something abysmal, like 10%.. I really need to do a little bit of research on the decline of unions because when membership was high, workers didn't get fucked over so much, now, at an all time low, we haven't seen income inequality like this since the great depression..

Go ahead and let right wing idiots tell you that's just a coincidence... The thinking man knows better..

One of Bernie Sanders top priorities is reestablishing union bargaining power for the American working middle class. None of the critics in this thread will touch on why they think improving conditions for the middle class is a bad idea because none of them want to look bad, like they're fighting for the super wealthy and against the middle class. They think their GOP candidates fight for the middle class, that the democrats raise their taxes and the republicans lower them.. Need I bring up the county in.. I think it was Tennessee, that's 95% white, 99% require government assistance, and 99.? voted republican in 2012? Fucking embarrassing..