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Dr.Pecker
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I'm diggin your cartoons man.
Skylor
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$20 a gram is top bud in Detroit and $15 for mid or business class bud. They do sell it 2 grams for $25, which is like 2.3 grams.
Mile high I think its called, off 6 miles, just west of Telegraph, north side. They got bud starting at $8, then $12, $15 and $20..only got the $20 once and it was no better then the $15 stuff, IMO ..The $12 stuff isn't too bad...were they get U is on 1/8ths, its $60, $45, $40 and $35 for the $8 stuff..nothing for $25...In flint I know of 2 places that sell all its stuff at $25 an 1/8, G3C and Michigan Compassion Center on Glenwood but MCC $25 is only on Sunday, other days its $10 to $15 a gram
Mile high I think its called, off 6 miles, just west of Telegraph, north side. They got bud starting at $8, then $12, $15 and $20..only got the $20 once and it was no better then the $15 stuff, IMO ..The $12 stuff isn't too bad...were they get U is on 1/8ths, its $60, $45, $40 and $35 for the $8 stuff..nothing for $25...In flint I know of 2 places that sell all its stuff at $25 an 1/8, G3C and Michigan Compassion Center on Glenwood but MCC $25 is only on Sunday, other days its $10 to $15 a gram
st0wandgrow
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I don't go in those places often, but I've never seen $30 per gram (which works out to $840 an ounce!!).As all costs are shouldered by patients effectively. What is the bureaucratic theoretical price cap out the door (aka "taxes" and regulatory costs included) per gram cost to patients? Today patients are commonly being scalped at 30$ per gram from dispensaries for top quality flower, with a gram per day/quarter per week consumption costing 840$ per month out of pocket for medicine. Forget about a gram per day of RSO type patient at $80 grams for 2400$ per month, or the rest of us. If this "unregulated" and "untaxed" market already prices most patients out of the medical market, the cost of anymore politicians/bureaucrats and their cronies would be sinful (pun intended). I say let them get the 50$ gram checks they are eyeballing from the recreational market in 2016
Where do they sling bud for that price?
TheMan13
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I don't get out much these days, but I've seen 30$ grams on the top shelves in Ann Arbor in the past. It may have just been a marketing ploy to get garbage out the door at 20$. I'd hope competition and conscience would have pushed them down over the past few years.
That said, my point was that even if you're paying 20$g/560$o from a hole in the wall down in the D today where will that be following any regulate and tax scheme politicians and bureaucrats can agree on. 30-40-60$g?
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cephalopod
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"the Sheriffs' Association and Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police have had philosophical objections that might be difficult to resolve.
Last year's bills, for example, would have allowed dispensaries to sell excess marijuana patients grow for their own use or that registered caregivers grow to supply patients. The law enforcement groups said that would have introduced a profit motive and "financially incentivize" people to get state cards that allow them to grow and use medical marijuana."
Yeah because they show up and do their jobs for free, fuck off. I'm sure there is no profit motive with eli lily and phizer or who ever they have in mind.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/02/14/michigan-lawmakers-seek-clarity-edible-marijuana/23424289/
Michigan lawmakers seek clarity on edible marijuana
Gary Heinlein, Detroit News Lansing Bureau8:30 p.m. EST February 15, 2015
Lansing – — Four state lawmakers are reviving bills to legalize an array of medical marijuana products and dispensaries where they'd be sold after last year's effort was shot down by last-minute criticism from law enforcement and health groups.
Republican Rep. Mike Callton of Nashville, main sponsor of one of the bills, argues Michigan needs clear laws and regulations allowing "provisioning centers" where patients legally get marijuana in various forms suited to their needs.
Last year's bills died during the two-week lame-duck legislative session in December as opponents said police and public health agencies hadn't been allowed to weigh in and saw problems with what was proposed. The sponsors promise to remedy any shortcomings this time around.
Callton, a chiropractor by profession, said two related bills with House and Senate sponsors aim to "establish safe access for patients and allow for the use of alternative forms of marijuana, such as medibles and topicals."
His provisioning center bill calls for law enforcement access to make sure laws are being followed, at least annual health inspections, mandated laboratory certification that the products on sale are safe and a set of rules developed by the state's Licensing and Regulatory Affairs Department. The second measure would clarify that smokable marijuana isn't the only form of it that's legal.
The other bill sponsors are Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons, R-Alto, Sen. David Knezek, D-Dearborn Heights, and Sen. Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake.
Their legislation seeks to clarify a shadowy area of state law so patients know what forms of the marijuana they can buy that 63 percent of state voters approved for medicinal use in 2008.
Affected users include Lansing resident Steve Green, who takes capsules containing a liquid form of cannabis to control epilepsy, and Ida Chinonis of Grand Blanc, who has found marijuana oil best controls seizures her 6-year-old daughter suffers as a result of a genetic disorder.
In Michigan, the number of people obtaining state cards that permit medical marijuana use has declined from 119,470 to 96,408 during the last three years, and Green says it's at least partly because they fear state registration brings them added scrutiny or see no benefit from it.
"I've had people ask me: 'After all you've been through, why do you renew your card?' said Green, who faced charges and temporarily lost custody of his daughter over medical marijuana use by him and his wife, Maria.
In 2013, police and Children's Protective Services took their 6-month-old daughter, Bree, from their home for six weeks. The child ultimately was returned to them, and criminal charges against Green were dropped.
Green, who said his "eye-opening experience" has caused him to pay attention to marijuana issues, said there are misconceptions about the provisioning centers Callton wants to make legal.
"We would think it's college kids going to these stores, when it's mostly those who haven't acquired marijuana in the last five years," he said.
"College kids can get marijuana everywhere they go. ... But somebody who's never done it, who just got this (doctor's) recommendation, they've got nowhere to go, and they're not interested in meeting these new people (growers)."
Facing resistance
But the legislation faces skepticism, if not opposition, from Attorney General Bill Schuette and organizations such as the Michigan Sheriffs' Association and Michigan Association for Local Public Health.
When the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that marijuana dispensaries aren't legal under current state law, Schuette said he accepted it as the final word on the issue.
"We all know people who have or are suffering from great pain, but at the same time we must also keep drugs out of kids' hands," Schuette said in a statement regarding the new proposals. "The Legislature is doing its job to look at the huge holes in the original law, and we will monitor the legislation as it progresses."
Although 17 of the 32 states with medical marijuana laws also permit dispensaries, the Sheriffs' Association and Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police have had philosophical objections that might be difficult to resolve.
Last year's bills, for example, would have allowed dispensaries to sell excess marijuana patients grow for their own use or that registered caregivers grow to supply patients. The law enforcement groups said that would have introduced a profit motive and "financially incentivize" people to get state cards that allow them to grow and use medical marijuana.
A more basic issue is the added work for law officers who would have to watch dispensaries to ensure they sold only state-allowed quantities and only to medical marijuana card holders.
Lansing Police Chief Michael Yankowski said officers want clarity.
"Our mission is simple," Yankowski said. "We want to keep our communities safe, and we want to protect the constitutional rights of our citizens."
The Association for Local Public Health, representing 45 local health departments, says it's unclear whether health agencies or the state Agriculture Department, which inspects bakeries, would monitor product handling conditions and practices at dispensaries.
Agencies concerned
The health agencies also are worried about absorbing added duties when Gov. Rick Snyder is proposing a $1.5 million cut in the state budget for their work next year, said association executive director Megan Swain.
The Supreme Court decision hasn't entirely stopped people from opening dispensaries, especially in some of the 13 Michigan cities whose residents now have approved local ordinances allowing recreational marijuana use.
According to the 2014 Marijuana Business Factbook, there are 180 dispensaries in Detroit alone. City Council member James Tate said rules and regulations are needed to govern those places.
And Grand Blanc's Chinonis said patients like her daughter need "a safe, legal and licensed location to obtain medical marijuana" and a law making it clear that alternative ways of taking marijuana are legal.
Chinonis, who has given her 6-year-old daughter, Bella, three daily oral doses of marijuana oil for about a month, said the drug has shortened the duration of the child's "life-threatening seizures" from 10 minutes to 10 seconds. She said Bella now is more alert and responsive to learning.
Lyons, who is sponsoring a bill permitting alternative forms of marijuana, said she would do exactly what Chinonis is doing if her child had a serious medical condition best controlled by cannabis.
'We have to get this fixed'
But court decisions and complexities of the current law, Lyons said, are leading to "medical injustices, social injustices and health policy issues."
"We have to get this fixed," she added. "We are prosecuting patients, and we're prosecuting parents for choosing a delivery method for medicinal marijuana that may be a safer and more practical alternative than smoking.
"These aren't criminals. They're patients. They're people. We have to remember that."
[email protected]
(517) 371-3660
Last year's bills, for example, would have allowed dispensaries to sell excess marijuana patients grow for their own use or that registered caregivers grow to supply patients. The law enforcement groups said that would have introduced a profit motive and "financially incentivize" people to get state cards that allow them to grow and use medical marijuana."
Yeah because they show up and do their jobs for free, fuck off. I'm sure there is no profit motive with eli lily and phizer or who ever they have in mind.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/02/14/michigan-lawmakers-seek-clarity-edible-marijuana/23424289/
Michigan lawmakers seek clarity on edible marijuana
Gary Heinlein, Detroit News Lansing Bureau8:30 p.m. EST February 15, 2015
Lansing – — Four state lawmakers are reviving bills to legalize an array of medical marijuana products and dispensaries where they'd be sold after last year's effort was shot down by last-minute criticism from law enforcement and health groups.
Republican Rep. Mike Callton of Nashville, main sponsor of one of the bills, argues Michigan needs clear laws and regulations allowing "provisioning centers" where patients legally get marijuana in various forms suited to their needs.
Last year's bills died during the two-week lame-duck legislative session in December as opponents said police and public health agencies hadn't been allowed to weigh in and saw problems with what was proposed. The sponsors promise to remedy any shortcomings this time around.
Callton, a chiropractor by profession, said two related bills with House and Senate sponsors aim to "establish safe access for patients and allow for the use of alternative forms of marijuana, such as medibles and topicals."
His provisioning center bill calls for law enforcement access to make sure laws are being followed, at least annual health inspections, mandated laboratory certification that the products on sale are safe and a set of rules developed by the state's Licensing and Regulatory Affairs Department. The second measure would clarify that smokable marijuana isn't the only form of it that's legal.
The other bill sponsors are Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons, R-Alto, Sen. David Knezek, D-Dearborn Heights, and Sen. Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake.
Their legislation seeks to clarify a shadowy area of state law so patients know what forms of the marijuana they can buy that 63 percent of state voters approved for medicinal use in 2008.
Affected users include Lansing resident Steve Green, who takes capsules containing a liquid form of cannabis to control epilepsy, and Ida Chinonis of Grand Blanc, who has found marijuana oil best controls seizures her 6-year-old daughter suffers as a result of a genetic disorder.
In Michigan, the number of people obtaining state cards that permit medical marijuana use has declined from 119,470 to 96,408 during the last three years, and Green says it's at least partly because they fear state registration brings them added scrutiny or see no benefit from it.
"I've had people ask me: 'After all you've been through, why do you renew your card?' said Green, who faced charges and temporarily lost custody of his daughter over medical marijuana use by him and his wife, Maria.
In 2013, police and Children's Protective Services took their 6-month-old daughter, Bree, from their home for six weeks. The child ultimately was returned to them, and criminal charges against Green were dropped.
Green, who said his "eye-opening experience" has caused him to pay attention to marijuana issues, said there are misconceptions about the provisioning centers Callton wants to make legal.
"We would think it's college kids going to these stores, when it's mostly those who haven't acquired marijuana in the last five years," he said.
"College kids can get marijuana everywhere they go. ... But somebody who's never done it, who just got this (doctor's) recommendation, they've got nowhere to go, and they're not interested in meeting these new people (growers)."
Facing resistance
But the legislation faces skepticism, if not opposition, from Attorney General Bill Schuette and organizations such as the Michigan Sheriffs' Association and Michigan Association for Local Public Health.
When the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that marijuana dispensaries aren't legal under current state law, Schuette said he accepted it as the final word on the issue.
"We all know people who have or are suffering from great pain, but at the same time we must also keep drugs out of kids' hands," Schuette said in a statement regarding the new proposals. "The Legislature is doing its job to look at the huge holes in the original law, and we will monitor the legislation as it progresses."
Although 17 of the 32 states with medical marijuana laws also permit dispensaries, the Sheriffs' Association and Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police have had philosophical objections that might be difficult to resolve.
Last year's bills, for example, would have allowed dispensaries to sell excess marijuana patients grow for their own use or that registered caregivers grow to supply patients. The law enforcement groups said that would have introduced a profit motive and "financially incentivize" people to get state cards that allow them to grow and use medical marijuana.
A more basic issue is the added work for law officers who would have to watch dispensaries to ensure they sold only state-allowed quantities and only to medical marijuana card holders.
Lansing Police Chief Michael Yankowski said officers want clarity.
"Our mission is simple," Yankowski said. "We want to keep our communities safe, and we want to protect the constitutional rights of our citizens."
The Association for Local Public Health, representing 45 local health departments, says it's unclear whether health agencies or the state Agriculture Department, which inspects bakeries, would monitor product handling conditions and practices at dispensaries.
Agencies concerned
The health agencies also are worried about absorbing added duties when Gov. Rick Snyder is proposing a $1.5 million cut in the state budget for their work next year, said association executive director Megan Swain.
The Supreme Court decision hasn't entirely stopped people from opening dispensaries, especially in some of the 13 Michigan cities whose residents now have approved local ordinances allowing recreational marijuana use.
According to the 2014 Marijuana Business Factbook, there are 180 dispensaries in Detroit alone. City Council member James Tate said rules and regulations are needed to govern those places.
And Grand Blanc's Chinonis said patients like her daughter need "a safe, legal and licensed location to obtain medical marijuana" and a law making it clear that alternative ways of taking marijuana are legal.
Chinonis, who has given her 6-year-old daughter, Bella, three daily oral doses of marijuana oil for about a month, said the drug has shortened the duration of the child's "life-threatening seizures" from 10 minutes to 10 seconds. She said Bella now is more alert and responsive to learning.
Lyons, who is sponsoring a bill permitting alternative forms of marijuana, said she would do exactly what Chinonis is doing if her child had a serious medical condition best controlled by cannabis.
'We have to get this fixed'
But court decisions and complexities of the current law, Lyons said, are leading to "medical injustices, social injustices and health policy issues."
"We have to get this fixed," she added. "We are prosecuting patients, and we're prosecuting parents for choosing a delivery method for medicinal marijuana that may be a safer and more practical alternative than smoking.
"These aren't criminals. They're patients. They're people. We have to remember that."
[email protected]
(517) 371-3660
Skylor
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Ann Arbor is nice but pricey..all the rich brats go to college and got loads of money to piss away...I believe top bud selling for $30 unless U are in the know and buy often there.
I was paying $60 an 1/8 next door in Ypsilanti and not all that bud was the greatest, it was hit and miss.
Least Detroit I always gotten decent bud---those drive by shootings must do some good, ha ha--cause I never gotten ripped off in Detroit by a dispensary (yeah I believe it can happen if an employee is dishonest )
Flint is still the best deal thou, $100 get U a 1/2 oz and free samples at one place.
I was paying $60 an 1/8 next door in Ypsilanti and not all that bud was the greatest, it was hit and miss.
Least Detroit I always gotten decent bud---those drive by shootings must do some good, ha ha--cause I never gotten ripped off in Detroit by a dispensary (yeah I believe it can happen if an employee is dishonest )
Flint is still the best deal thou, $100 get U a 1/2 oz and free samples at one place.
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cephalopod
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TheMan13
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GregS
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The short answer is exactly zero. There is no more reason to tax mj as there is barley or grapes. In fact, there is less.As all costs are shouldered by patients effectively. What is the bureaucratic theoretical price cap out the door (aka "taxes" and regulatory costs included) per gram cost to patients? Today patients are commonly being scalped at 30$ per gram from dispensaries for top quality flower, with a gram per day/quarter per week consumption costing 840$ per month out of pocket for medicine. Forget about a gram per day of RSO type patient at $80 grams for 2400$ per month, or the rest of us. If this "unregulated" and "untaxed" market already prices most patients out of the medical market, the cost of anymore politicians/bureaucrats and their cronies would be sinful (pun intended). I say let them get the 50$ gram checks they are eyeballing from the recreational market in 2016
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Skylor
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eCowering from thugs will get you nowhere in life.
True true however U Iive another day........I IooK as this MM act as a giFt..... 1 oz is great---I recaII when that much wee was a FeIony......my computer is messed up, ta too Iong to type right
NurseNancy420
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By removing those who oppose it and us
TheMan13
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Personally I did not hear an answer to the question and that is pretty sad. Pretending MJ has absolutely no medicinal use under the law in order to extremely criminalize it is the problem. Changing that fact of the matter is how we move forward and something should have been done long ago. Reforming the criminal justice system only addresses one of the many symptoms of the actual disease these asshats refuse to even acknowledge
On a positive note the new Surgeon General just said "marijuana can be helpful" recently. He's the first Surgeon General to ever admit to that fact of the matter
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cephalopod
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Cowering from thugs will get you nowhere in life.
