whitebb2727
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This sounds like a day when I wanted to see what robo tripping was all about.
Hmmmmm where's the tussin at.
Hmmmmm where's the tussin at.
please help me
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tyler.durden
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Very brave and honest post, quite refreshing to see. You can still recognize the cognitive dissonance in your thought process, many are too far gone or too afraid to be able to take this first step. You've only wasted 5 years or so, many waste decades to a lifetime on nonsense, and the more they have invested in BS, the more difficult it is to let go. Over the last decade or so, each year I have let go of more and more pet ideas that, while comforting, were way off from objective reality. It's almost like killing a little piece of ourselves each time we drop erroneous beliefs as they are such a part of us, but what we can rebuild in its place are beliefs based on solid reality. Learn to think critically and skeptically, these filters can assure that you weed out unsubstantiated claims and specious arguments and evidence. Learning the informal logical fallacies are an excellent place to start - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#Informal_fallacies
When you become familiar with these, you can watch out for them in others to detect time wasting BS, but more importantly, you can become aware of which ones you use in your own thought process. The biggest tragedy is fooling ourselves, that is how we become lost. You don't seem to have done that, so your reversal toward clear thought shouldn't take too much time and effort. Good for you, bro...
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New Age United
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your subconscious will decide what's logical and try to form an understanding out of that logic, is it the container of truth, well sure intuition and logic were programed from the start, you were born with both, but you have to realize that both your intuition and your logic can be wrong. The subconscious is only as good as the knowledge your brain contains, indeed it is a powerhouse at storing and configuring information, but there are many many truths that you were not born with, that are vast beyond the power of your intuition, you have to allow your intuition to evolve and form new understandings, you have to realize that while no truth is beyond the grasp of the subconscious, your subconscious does not necessarily hold the truth, the subconscious has to learn and adapt, and you do have the power to consciously effect the subconscious by subjecting your mind to new data, educate yourself and the truth will come, it will destroy your beliefs and completely change your perspectives but you will find peace and understanding, the truth shall set you free.
quantumwot
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i am looking forward to being " normal" 
eye exaggerate
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Hi,
the subconscious isn't so much a logic forming entity. It is actually incapable of logic. It stands between the conscious and unconscious aspects of mind and deals with emotion. It will send info from the unconscious (think of the unconscious as a storehouse for things your conscious mind would not assimilate) to the conscious mind. The subconscious holds recent memory, and if recent memory is not assimilated it will become a part of the unconscious mind, ready to be sent to the 'top' again should the conscious mind be faced with a situation that requires action. Another term for it is preconscious, meaning that it is just below the conscious level of mind, and communicates through emotion, visuals, (and the like) to ensure survival. Our conscious minds do the thinin', babalouie
quantumwot
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yes but its my conscious thoughts that are making me ill.. Our conscious minds do the thinkin, babalouie
deep down I think subconsciously that my conscious thoughts are wrong ....... Which ones are correct?
eye exaggerate
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The ones that lead to positive outcomes. Period.
quantumwot
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this make's "so" much sense
whitebb2727
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You need to find morphious and choose between the red and blue pill.
Serious can you give an example? Do you get time to think? Meditate?
I hunt a lot. Even days that I dont kill something are beneficial. I get to sit there with my thoughts.
I'm telling you a few hours with no noise or any electronics or people would do some good.
Serious can you give an example? Do you get time to think? Meditate?
I hunt a lot. Even days that I dont kill something are beneficial. I get to sit there with my thoughts.
I'm telling you a few hours with no noise or any electronics or people would do some good.
Nevaeh420
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Who is "that cunt on RF"?
RF= ReligiousForums.com?
Are you talking about Me, because I belong to ReligiousForums.com?
~PEACE~
quantumwot
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New Age United
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There is a powerhouse of storing and configuring information that lies unconscious in the brain, it is more properly referred to as the unconscious mind, but I assumed that this is what quantumwot was referring to, the program is logic and intuition and ultimately the unconscious and subconscious both have an effect on the conscious, some would say they have dominion over the mind. What is your view on free will eye? Do you think that the conscious can effect the will, or is it completely controlled by the unconscious and subconscious?Hi,
the subconscious isn't so much a logic forming entity. It is actually incapable of logic. It stands between the conscious and unconscious aspects of mind and deals with emotion. It will send info from the unconscious (think of the unconscious as a storehouse for things your conscious mind would not assimilate) to the conscious mind. The subconscious holds recent memory, and if recent memory is not assimilated it will become a part of the unconscious mind, ready to be sent to the 'top' again should the conscious mind be faced with a situation that requires action. Another term for it is preconscious, meaning that it is just below the conscious level of mind, and communicates through emotion, visuals, (and the like) to ensure survival. Our conscious minds do the thinin', babalouie
whitebb2727
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I was messing round a little.
Some call it finding your center, seeking enlightenment.
What ever you call it, it is needed.
If no where else just use a quiet room or wear ear plugs.
It is something that is over looked with all the technology around us.
I prefer the sounds of nature. Nature has a way of helping one find home or center.
A balanced mind is one with out conflict, regret, or guilt.
If absolute silence is not achievable, use a calming sounds of nature CD.
Do this and it will come to you.
Some call it finding your center, seeking enlightenment.
What ever you call it, it is needed.
If no where else just use a quiet room or wear ear plugs.
It is something that is over looked with all the technology around us.
I prefer the sounds of nature. Nature has a way of helping one find home or center.
A balanced mind is one with out conflict, regret, or guilt.
If absolute silence is not achievable, use a calming sounds of nature CD.
Do this and it will come to you.
Ishrahnai
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The truth!!? No ego, no bullshit. A difficult thing to accept even to the extent of lying to yourself!!!!!
I had a moment a couple of years ago brought on if I'm honest by mushrooms in part. Never the less, I saw my life as if I was at the point of death, I was my own judge and jury.
I saw every bad thing I've ever done or said to anyone or anything. I felt the hurt I had caused others and myself.
I am not an evil person or particularly bad but the clear truths that remain when all else is stripped away stay with me to this day.
I have read various religious texts and spoken with some truly enlightened people and read philosophy. At the end of the day we all know right from wrong. Right thought, speech and action.
One truth I know about myself is I will never be a monk or totally free from my ego and the strange 'blanket' of nonsense it provides. I do however try to look through the eyes of my daughter, pure and honest - seeing things how they truly are. Act accordingly as best you can.
At the end of the day, if you see and recognise your 'Demons' then you remove their power over you. Accept the truth, good or bad and move on in a positive direction.
I had a moment a couple of years ago brought on if I'm honest by mushrooms in part. Never the less, I saw my life as if I was at the point of death, I was my own judge and jury.
I saw every bad thing I've ever done or said to anyone or anything. I felt the hurt I had caused others and myself.
I am not an evil person or particularly bad but the clear truths that remain when all else is stripped away stay with me to this day.
I have read various religious texts and spoken with some truly enlightened people and read philosophy. At the end of the day we all know right from wrong. Right thought, speech and action.
One truth I know about myself is I will never be a monk or totally free from my ego and the strange 'blanket' of nonsense it provides. I do however try to look through the eyes of my daughter, pure and honest - seeing things how they truly are. Act accordingly as best you can.
At the end of the day, if you see and recognise your 'Demons' then you remove their power over you. Accept the truth, good or bad and move on in a positive direction.
Ishrahnai
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I grew up around the sea and extensive moorland, beautiful countryside.
Sitting on a cliff top by myself watching a sunset, listening to the ocean. My first meditative state. Without trying.
Buddhist teachings have probably touched me the most in all my reading.
Experiencing every breath with joy, peace. Not constant but a great aid in finding my centre.
quantumwot
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i realized it was funny AFTER i uploaded it ....... Hand on heart
i swear to god i didn't have any devious pathetic trolling thoughts when i choose it ....... Honestly, subconsciously i think those thoughts are wrong
in England there's a subconscious thought of the word "so"
you can be the biggest dickhead known to man ( which we've all been especially the uk posse )but if you admit it, and you think "so"......then everything will be allright...... Mentally.
""i have to admit the truth and think "so" about it.""
in America the word is ....."whatever"
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quantumwot
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i see there's conflicks of what subconscious etc is .......i was thinking this today , the way i see it
while i am awake thinking about cooking a meal..... this is conscious thought .
while i am awake thinking about some thing i don't want to think about ..... Maybe due to guilt or matters of the heart ( a thought you have no control over ) ......this is a subconscious thought .
i said earlier that subconscious thoughts correct the conscious thoughts ( the ones we think are correct) ...........i was wrong , they correct the confusing thoughts
while i am awake thinking about cooking a meal..... this is conscious thought .
while i am awake thinking about some thing i don't want to think about ..... Maybe due to guilt or matters of the heart ( a thought you have no control over ) ......this is a subconscious thought .
i said earlier that subconscious thoughts correct the conscious thoughts ( the ones we think are correct) ...........i was wrong , they correct the confusing thoughts
eye exaggerate
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I think it is the conscious that affects the will. Unconscious parts of the mind affect a person insomuch as they can direct a person to behave in certain ways that are contrary to the reality of that moment. Once a person steps back maybe they can start mapping, the tedious task of bearing witness to thoughts, and learning when and how they appear in order to understand them.
Free will? Free will is like free energy, only some people have it.
And!
3 beers, some wine + goooooood salad
New Age United
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I don't honestly believe in free will, every conscious thought is the effect of a previous cause, reality is seen through the screen of past experience and these unconscious perspectives completely dictate how we act and react to reality. Even those who appear to have good self control only have it because their minds have been conditioned in such a way. How could the subject, the witness, possibly affect the material universe?I think it is the conscious that affects the will. Unconscious parts of the mind affect a person insomuch as they can direct a person to behave in certain ways that are contrary to the reality of that moment. Once a person steps back maybe they can start mapping, the tedious task of bearing witness to thoughts, and learning when and how they appear in order to understand them.
Free will? Free will is like free energy, only some people have it.
And!
3 beers, some wine + goooooood salad
Let me give you an example: You drive the same car to work on the same route every day, after awhile it becomes very intuitive for you, both the road and the car, all of the signs and all of the buttons, the handling of the car, even the timing and rhythm of the drive all become ingrained in the unconscious mind, eventually you can drive to work on autopilot on a subconscious level, it is in fact the unconscious that has control of the will while the conscious is free to daydream and sing along to the radio or socialize or anything, all the while paying somewhat attention to the road and receiving real world data, which in the blink of an eye can be realized as most important and can bring the conscious mind to a halt and instinctively direct your actions, the unconscious ultimately controls everything you do.
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