420Hazza
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a friend of mine got busted just using a 600HPS in my case my loft inst insulated so it gets pretty cold during night so don't want to have any heat spots but yeh you are right but safety is safety
My stealth grow set up
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DonAlejandroVega
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I would move.............
DonAlejandroVega
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scary stuff
scarecrow77
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If you think of it outdoor cannabis plants when its dark at night they release heat from fan leaves ..you think they would be catching those guys but you never hair it happening..scarecrow77
420Hazza
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yeh proper scary so I want to prepare for all kind of trouble before starting
Spanky's Monkey
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Gonna go on a limb and say your friend wasn't busted because of FLIR. It is more likely then not he was ratted out as having a grow op and the FLIR was used as confirmation of guilt. Helos equiped with FLIR systems are very costly resourses to employ in a blind hunt for small grows.
420Hazza
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yeh that's what I first thought but cops told him how they got their search warrant am not surprised, I get FLIR flying around my area on regular basis maybe I live in rough area but they fly over 3-4x a week
Spanky's Monkey
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Cops lie their asses off. They'll never rat on their rats. Your buddy got sold out. Watch your back. Whoever sold him up shit creek would most likely do the same to you.
Regular people and friends turn snitch when they get caught with a case. They never tell you about it cause they get off seemingly scotfree except for the fact that they gotta give up somebody that's more worth the time. Case in point your friend. Cops don't give a rats ass about the kid that gets tagged with a bowl, they drop that case in a heartbeat to get the guy who either sold that bag of dope or the dude that grew that weed out. It's a game these dirty ass cops play all to well.
I've been in the game long enough to see through bullshit. I'm sure they called in the chopper with the FLIR attached but they already knew the guy had a grow. A 600w grow ain't worth the fuel it took to get that bird in the air and over your friends house. Now it may be worth it if your boy has a connection further up the chain. Like I said, watch your ass with shit like that going on around you.
Regular people and friends turn snitch when they get caught with a case. They never tell you about it cause they get off seemingly scotfree except for the fact that they gotta give up somebody that's more worth the time. Case in point your friend. Cops don't give a rats ass about the kid that gets tagged with a bowl, they drop that case in a heartbeat to get the guy who either sold that bag of dope or the dude that grew that weed out. It's a game these dirty ass cops play all to well.
I've been in the game long enough to see through bullshit. I'm sure they called in the chopper with the FLIR attached but they already knew the guy had a grow. A 600w grow ain't worth the fuel it took to get that bird in the air and over your friends house. Now it may be worth it if your boy has a connection further up the chain. Like I said, watch your ass with shit like that going on around you.
420Hazza
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Yeh my grow space is totally insulated with Mylar same as the surrounding walls of the grow boxes yeh people are snitches so I ain't telling anyone about my operation
Thunderbum
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I think Spanky is right. They are not looking for the little guy with a couple of plants in a box. They are looking for the commercial growers who are also stealing electricity. This raises the issue of infra-red "noise" and the ability of FLIR to resolve a small grow (say below 1000W) from the clutter of small heat sources (Think kettles, dishwashers, washing machines, central heating, televisions etc). It will take a hefty grow to stand out from the clutter. Your grow is most unlikely to resolve in a FLIR sweep from the ordinary day to day clutter. What often gives the game away is shoving out a significant amount of heat to somewhere it should not be - like an attic space. Has anyone thought of cutting a hole in a chimney stack and venting into this? Can you imagine a cop going back to the station and telling the sergeant that he has found a chimney stack venting heat!! ROFL.
I converted an electric shower to a grow-cupboard. I boarded it in with nice looking wood so it looks like a piece of furniture - say a wardrobe or cupboard. Over the top of the shower was an extraction fan. I took the fan out (noisy) and hooked up a quiet 4" fan to the ceiling vent and it now carries any warm air out above the ceiling (the cupboard is on the ground floor) and out the side of the house. Externally is looks like a shower vent (which it is) and the heat coming out is about the same.
Next - reduce your heat signature. I have changed to a modern LED system (the older ones are pretty poor). I only have 600mm x 600mm but it is enough to grow one plant really well and fast by DWC. My last grow delivered 4 oz of quality bud. My visitors (public) sit in my office (an ex-bedroom) within six feet of my grow and it has never been spotted. People see what they expect to see (I laugh my nuts off). Electric showers are ideal. They have a good power supply - probably on its own circuite and separately fused, drainage and extraction facilities available with a cop-deceiving heat disposal vent. If anyone wants further details of this set up I would be happy to oblige.
Lastly - do not pump more energy into your grow than you need. Remember your plant/s cannot process more than 50,000 lux - they are light saturated at this level. Any more and you are wasting money, energy, producing useless heat and reducing the effectiveness of photosynthesis. If you get to 90k lux you will stop photosynthesis altogether because of solarization. 50k lux by LED produces very little heat and they grow like Jack's fucking beanstalk but with short internodes!
I converted an electric shower to a grow-cupboard. I boarded it in with nice looking wood so it looks like a piece of furniture - say a wardrobe or cupboard. Over the top of the shower was an extraction fan. I took the fan out (noisy) and hooked up a quiet 4" fan to the ceiling vent and it now carries any warm air out above the ceiling (the cupboard is on the ground floor) and out the side of the house. Externally is looks like a shower vent (which it is) and the heat coming out is about the same.
Next - reduce your heat signature. I have changed to a modern LED system (the older ones are pretty poor). I only have 600mm x 600mm but it is enough to grow one plant really well and fast by DWC. My last grow delivered 4 oz of quality bud. My visitors (public) sit in my office (an ex-bedroom) within six feet of my grow and it has never been spotted. People see what they expect to see (I laugh my nuts off). Electric showers are ideal. They have a good power supply - probably on its own circuite and separately fused, drainage and extraction facilities available with a cop-deceiving heat disposal vent. If anyone wants further details of this set up I would be happy to oblige.
Lastly - do not pump more energy into your grow than you need. Remember your plant/s cannot process more than 50,000 lux - they are light saturated at this level. Any more and you are wasting money, energy, producing useless heat and reducing the effectiveness of photosynthesis. If you get to 90k lux you will stop photosynthesis altogether because of solarization. 50k lux by LED produces very little heat and they grow like Jack's fucking beanstalk but with short internodes!
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420Hazza
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cool dude that's what I wanted to hear how many watts is your led panel, btw ill grow in attic as its my only option so am worried be ir issues. I have raised the floor and made a false back so that air from the attic can go underneath and to the roof top, ill also make false wall and stick on brick wallpaper so it mimics the wall, but in my area like yesterday there was a police FLIR flying over my area and around it most likely searching for possible grow houses they were in the air for like 30min, so I don't want to risk being spotted by any chance. I'd like to vent it into chimney but its not located near the attic, but I can went it into the walls underneath the attic or I designed hopefully cheap running cooling tower just check my post for more info.
Thunderbum
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Hazza - I have tried HID, CFL and LED. The HID (250 watt) drove the temperature in my grow cupboard too high and heat-stressed the plants. (Remember I only have 600mm by 600mm about 2 foot by 2 foot). I then used a 350W CFL for flowering (which worked quite well). I currently an using a Vipar LED as my main light. This really pumps out the light. http://www.viparled.co.uk/collections/series-b-1/products/vipar-b2x2-led-grow-light I also use a couple of 50W Procyon lights as supplementary side lights http://www.homegrownlights.com/50wled.html I used these to supplement my CFL grow but so far I have not needed them with the Vipar yet as it covers 2ft x 2ft at the required light density.
Remember to keep a lot of air moving over the plant/s. This has four functions: 1 It stops mould forming in your buds, 2 It helps the plant/s stay cool and avoid heat-stress, 3 The more air is pumped over the grow the more dilute the heat-signature, 4 a good air-flow discourages pests like spider-mites.
I do not know how many plants you are growing or what space you are trying to cover. Remember that it is better to have one really good plant than two poor ones. If you get busted then number of plants matters. I opted for fast growing feminised automatics. I have been using Sharkbite and it has worked quite well.
The more you can disperse the warm air from your lights the better. Every house produces heat so if you can disperse it, the FLIR will not be able to pick it up as a suspicious item. Think of a tumble drier pumping out 3KW of heat, or the vent from a central heating boiler at 5KW. Your grow will probably be a lot less than this so it is not easy (or perhaps not possible) for the police to find a small grow on a casual fly-over. Spanky made a good point when he wrote that the main danger is being ratted out and the FLIR used as a cover by the cops so the grower does not go looking for the source of the information.
I recently watched a police documentary on the operation of a FLIR chopper. They were indeed working on "information received". They were watching a specific house. In IR the eves of the attic lit up like a Christmas tree! They were pumping many Kilowatts of hot air into the attic. This was a no-compromise commercial grow run by illegal aliens.
I am interested in your cooling tower. How does this work?
Remember to keep a lot of air moving over the plant/s. This has four functions: 1 It stops mould forming in your buds, 2 It helps the plant/s stay cool and avoid heat-stress, 3 The more air is pumped over the grow the more dilute the heat-signature, 4 a good air-flow discourages pests like spider-mites.
I do not know how many plants you are growing or what space you are trying to cover. Remember that it is better to have one really good plant than two poor ones. If you get busted then number of plants matters. I opted for fast growing feminised automatics. I have been using Sharkbite and it has worked quite well.
The more you can disperse the warm air from your lights the better. Every house produces heat so if you can disperse it, the FLIR will not be able to pick it up as a suspicious item. Think of a tumble drier pumping out 3KW of heat, or the vent from a central heating boiler at 5KW. Your grow will probably be a lot less than this so it is not easy (or perhaps not possible) for the police to find a small grow on a casual fly-over. Spanky made a good point when he wrote that the main danger is being ratted out and the FLIR used as a cover by the cops so the grower does not go looking for the source of the information.
I recently watched a police documentary on the operation of a FLIR chopper. They were indeed working on "information received". They were watching a specific house. In IR the eves of the attic lit up like a Christmas tree! They were pumping many Kilowatts of hot air into the attic. This was a no-compromise commercial grow run by illegal aliens.
I am interested in your cooling tower. How does this work?
420Hazza
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hey cheers mate for the info I am going to grow 60day auto lemon haze and tangerine dream, lemon h will be under LST and tangerine under scrog, each plant will get 60x60x60cm, the cooling tower work on simple basis hot air goes in 2nd to the lowest section it rise ant travel through foam or similar thick material which will be soak in water that will be flowing from the top down to tank at the bottom (circulating water) basically as the water falls it soaks the foam, multiple sections of wet foam as the hot air enters it will rise to the top while getting cooled down thanks to the wet foam as it cools down it settles at the lowest section where it will be vented out, depending on the temps from you grow room you will need more section as well as bigger water tank because imagine you have 30C output and only 10l tank so the water will be pretty warm which wont be a cooling efficient as bigger tank
Thunderbum
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You may have a problem with this design. The heat has to go somewhere. If you shift it from the air into recirculating water, the water will warm up until a balance is acheived and you would then be putting warm saturated air back into the grow-room. This is likely to produce mould on your bud and put your attic at risk of dry rot. The heat needs to be vented in some way. If the water ran to waste it would carry the heat away (but you would still have the problem of very high humidity). Running the water to waste has its own problems - particularly if you have a metered supply.
To be honest I think you are trying to solve a problem that you do not have. With two 60cm x 60cm grows if you are using CFL or LED you are unlikely to produce enough heat to show on a FLIR. If you are in the UK (which I suspect you are, as you reply during the day - Americans do so at our night) you need to look at the sentencing guidlines on Google. If you are busted with 2 plants you are likely to get a police caution unless you are caught with a very large stash and a lot of small zip-lock bags which indicates an intent to supply. If you are not selling your product or stealing electricity and are brought to court you are at the very lowest sentencing level and that is a discharge to a small fine and/or community order. You wouId be a Category 4 offender (Google "sentencing guidlines cannabis")
If you are in the States it may be a different matter. The "Land Of The Free" jails a higher proportion of its citizens than anywhere else in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate I do not know what happens here but I know it varies state to state and state law is in conflict with Federal law.
420Hazza
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yeh I know my sentencing guideline and ill get easily away with 2 plants if it ever happens its more likely to be fine or community work, btw I am not intending to distribute, around my area theres only cheese .... so ill be the only one with decent sample lol
Thunderbum
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Cool ..... Go for it good buddy
Thunderbum
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It is hard to get a sense of what you are doing from these photos. One thing I am sure of is that these are not your grow lights. If they are it wont work. Cannabis plants need about 40k lux at the canopy. What you have here will not even approach this.