Satellite data proves Earth has not been warming the past 18 years - it's stable

[Dr Kynes]

well as long as the corn farmers in iowa and south dakota don't mind moving to north dakota, and as long as the north dakotan wheat farmers don't mind packing it up to manitoba, then yeah, rising global temps due to man made activities is no big deal.

i suppose the wheat farmers in north dakota can just swap out their equipment with the south dakotans, and the manitobans with the north dakotans, and so on and so forth and they can all just start growing different crops than they've been growing.

shouldn't really be a problem.

stated by somebody who doesnt know dick about farming.

Protip: corn grows in southern mexico, in the tropics, where is is MUCH warmer all year round than iowa

Further Protips: there are many different seasonal wheats, Winter Wheat grows in MUCH cooler temps than Summer Wheat, and vice versa.

with 1 degree of warming (50% natural and 50% "anthropogenic" in the IPCC's exaggerations) every century, it will take millennia for the temperature to adversely effect farming anywhere but the deserts and other marginal terrain.

water is another issue, but that's far too complex to be discussed with a know-nothing.

 

[Dr Kynes]

If I may interject for a moment (in the hopes of bringing this part of the debate to rest), the following is from the IPCC 2007 SPM, pg. 5:
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their doublespeak aside, the touts have been selling the agenda exactly as i stated it, since the "Global Warming" fiasco began.

the IPCC's "experts" never once stepped forward to "correct" Al Gore, "Skeptical Science" the US Senate, or in fact any of the clowns who were using their talking points (based on their "Executive Summary for Policy Makers") because the agenda is SO important, a little fraud, deception and bullshit is forgivable.

the IPCC in report 4, used their byzantine text to make one set of statements, while including the infamous "Hockey Stick Graph" to convey the message as i stated it.

IPCC 5 represents a dramatic departure from their previous message in that they cut the time scale in half, and the warming by 60%, then attributed it to "Human Action" by ~50% instead of "Most" (in the text) and "Almost All" (in the press releases)

since theres no actual climate scientists in this discussion, i am dealing with their press releases, and what was reported (without a hint of correction from the IPCC's "experts") in the press, in legislation and in numerous dire predictions for public consumption.

if the IPCC felt so strongly about the reliability and importance of their conclusions, they should have been issuing clear and unambiguous corrections to any "erroneous" statements by the echo chamber.

they didnt, so they tacitly accepted the conclusions of the world press, various political organizations, and the claims made by them

 

[Doer]

Well, you are all over the map, NLX. Anything can cause an extinction event.

A gamma burst. A type 1 gravity wave, too intense. Mr Comet. Mankind.

Imagine the conundrum as this drives into the common man.

Momma! This here is saying we stopped the Ice Age, but now they want to start it up!
Damn scientist are trying to kill us all.

 

[Doer]

Direct observation shows current melting.

What evidence do you have that this melting has deviated from the baseline for the climate?

What evidence do you have that it will continue?

What evidence do you have that it will actually be detrimental to the earth and/or humans?

We can't rule those out as yet, either. We can't rule out stopping, getting worse or gaining pace.

The observation is an exponential loss.

So, just think about a toilet bowl. A Flush is an exponential phenomenon at the beginning, then steadies at at much higher rate.

 

[Dr Kynes]

We can't rule those out as yet, either. We can't rule out stopping, getting worse or gaining pace.

The observation is an exponential loss.

So, just think about a toilet bowl. A Flush is an exponential phenomenon at the beginning, then steadies at at much higher rate.

and with the IPCC's shitty science and appeals to the hoi polloi, you get a slightly less effective flush.

 

[UncleBuck]

and with the IPCC's shitty science

says the guy citing the birchers and evangelical creationists.

 

[Doer]

and with the IPCC's shitty science and appeals to the hoi polloi, you get a slightly less effective flush.

Like these CA low flows, right? Flush twice.

 

[NoDrama]

believe me, you're repeating them nearly verbatim.

Thats funny because I am quoting the Wiki Link.

Brain use much?

 

[NLXSK1]

We can't rule those out as yet, either. We can't rule out stopping, getting worse or gaining pace.

The observation is an exponential loss.

So, just think about a toilet bowl. A Flush is an exponential phenomenon at the beginning, then steadies at at much higher rate.

So, there is an exponential loss and although we dont know whether it is natural or not or how much deviation from natural it is, we need to DOOOOO something* vague involving a massive transfer of wealth from America to third world countries as a huge bribe to prevent them from burning fossil fuels. And in case that doesnt worry you, I am sure the UN will be in charge of the distributions...

Am I about right??

 

[NoDrama]

So, there is an exponential loss and although we dont know whether it is natural or not or how much deviation from natural it is, we need to DOOOOO something* vague involving a massive transfer of wealth from America to third world countries as a huge bribe to prevent them from burning fossil fuels. And in case that doesnt worry you, I am sure the UN will be in charge of the distributions...

Am I about right??

But but but


Father Knows Best

 

[Dr Kynes]

Like these CA low flows, right? Flush twice.

Low Flow Toilets are a fine example of eco-loons' failure to think shit through.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Low-flow-toilets-cause-a-stink-in-SF-2457645.php
in brief: low flow crappers dont move enough water to pipe the shit out of your house and down to the treatment plant, causing a serious funk all over SF.

their current solution: pump in MORE water than was "saved" by installing low flows, to get the shit in motion.
the intermediate solution: $14 million worth of bleach to kill the funk.
the long term solution: "retrofit" the sewers so they need less water (which will mean smaller pipes, which inevitably will cause more backups)

turns out the treatment plants have to ADD water to the juice so their facilities can function, so they are using more water too (exactly how much more, they won't say)

well played Sierra Club, so now instead of using 4 gallons to flush my stinknuggets away, i gotta flush twice at 2.4 gallons per flush (thats 4.8 gallons, or a little under one gallon extra per deuce, for the mathematically disinclined) plus they gotta pump in more to clear the pipes, and they gotta pump in even more so the treatment plant can operate properly.

Genius.

 

[Doer]

So, there is an exponential loss and although we dont know whether it is natural or not or how much deviation from natural it is, we need to DOOOOO something* vague involving a massive transfer of wealth from America to third world countries as a huge bribe to prevent them from burning fossil fuels. And in case that doesnt worry you, I am sure the UN will be in charge of the distributions...

Am I about right??

It was exponential from the last time we looked. Which was when?

Not very long ago.

Has it flushed. or will it soon flush into a steady state?
Can it achieve some new equilibrium by some less understood mechanism of the Climate?
Can science be surprised?
Can we do-good ourselves to death?

Can't rule that out either.

 

[NoDrama]

Low Flow Toilets are a fine example of eco-loons' failure to think shit through.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Low-flow-toilets-cause-a-stink-in-SF-2457645.php
in brief: low flow crappers dont move enough water to pipe the shit out of your house and down to the treatment plant, causing a serious funk all over SF.

their current solution: pump in MORE water than was "saved" by installing low flows, to get the shit in motion.
the intermediate solution: $14 million worth of bleach to kill the funk.
the long term solution: "retrofit" the sewers so they need less water (which will mean smaller pipes, which inevitably will cause more backups)

turns out the treatment plants have to ADD water to the juice so their facilities can function, so they are using more water too (exactly how much more, they won't say)

well played Sierra Club, so now instead of using 4 gallons to flush my stinknuggets away, i gotta flush twice at 2.4 gallons per flush (thats 4.8 gallons, or a little under one gallon extra per deuce, for the mathematically disinclined) plus they gotta pump in more to clear the pipes, and they gotta pump in even more so the treatment plant can operate properly.

Genius.

So they made the problem 10 times as bad and now have to pour millions of gallons of a highly unstable and corrosive and poisonous material into the water supply just to cut the stench.

Go long Clorox.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

I'm glad Cosmos is almost over.
Tonights show pissed away 40 minutes of man made C02 and we are destroying the earth.
Then, he starts blaming the sun for a 40 seconds, then back to tongue lashing us all.

Anyone else see the show?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'm glad Cosmos is almost over.
Tonights show pissed away 40 minutes of man made C02 and we are destroying the earth.
Then, he starts blaming the sun for a 40 seconds, then back to tongue lashing us all.

Anyone else see the show?

If you can't grasp the concept by watching Cosmos and listening to NDT explain how it works, there is no hope for you

The show is made for young teens

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

If you can't grasp the concept by watching Cosmos and listening to NDT explain how it works, there is no hope for you

The show is made for young teens

The show is made for converting people to become liberals.
I knew that before it started with Seth MacFarlane behind it.

Many topics I already knew about but some interesting graphics and stories alway kept me watching.
Tonights show was just over the top.
Did you see it?

 

[Padawanbater2]

The show is made for converting people to become liberals.
I knew that before it started with Seth MacFarlane behind it.

Many topics I already knew about but some interesting graphics and stories alway kept me watching.
Tonights show was just over the top.
Did you see it?

To conservatives, science has a liberal bias because it's constantly contradicting their beliefs

I saw the episode. I was interested to see this week centered around anthropogenic climate change, and I thought they did a really good job explaining how it works to the layman. Add CO2, atmosphere heats up, they showed how it happened with Venus as an example. Not rocket science..

 

[UncleBuck]

i'm pretty sure we can take millions of years of shit out of the earth, burn it all into the sky within a century or two, and not do anything to change the earth.

god puts the fossils there to fool us, why would such a benevolent god not make up for his testing of our faith with a reward like fossil uels?

jesus 1, scientits and atheetits 0.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

To conservatives, science has a liberal bias because it's constantly contradicting their beliefs

I saw the episode. I was interested to see this week centered around anthropogenic climate change, and I thought they did a really good job explaining how it works to the layman. Add CO2, atmosphere heats up, they showed how it happened with Venus as an example. Not rocket science..

I thought they did a good job too in the first segment, then it became overkill.

Solar power is fine and dandy but economy-wise we can't afford it.
Too many jobs are based on fossil fuel and will be for some time.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

i'm pretty sure we can take millions of years of shit out of the earth, burn it all into the sky within a century or two, and not do anything to change the earth.

god puts the fossils there to fool us, why would such a benevolent god not make up for his testing of our faith with a reward like fossil uels?

jesus 1, scientits and atheetits 0.

Hell will be hotter when the Devil has more oil to burn.