heckler73
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I'm pretty sure Doer understands the math, at least, but does anyone else?
For me it really is not about *the math* as the climate model is still far too complex for us to be able to duplicate on a computer reliably. And that has been proven to the unhappiness of liberals that simply state that reality is not conforming to their predictions.Just out of curiosity, has anyone read that climate science textbook chapter I uploaded? I'm trying to gauge the level of scientific literacy on this forum. The root question being, is the math still too complex at that level for an average enthusiast like Pada.
I'm pretty sure Doer understands the math, at least, but does anyone else?
You are looking at the product, not the theory, though.For me it really is not about *the math* as the climate model is still far too complex for us to be able to duplicate on a computer reliably. And that has been proven to the unhappiness of liberals that simply state that reality is not conforming to their predictions.
If you do not have a representative data set, what does math and modeling have to do with it?You are looking at the product, not the theory, though.
I have a text on the principles involved with developing models of climate science, too. But the problems of modeling tell you what is wrong with the method, not the theory itself. Or in other words, trying to fix a model based on faulty premises won't solve the problem.
In order to find the faulty premises, one must look at the underlying structure. To understand the structure requires a certain familiarity with the key sciences and math, and that is what I'd like to gauge; to what extent can a general participant comprehend the fundamental material?
I did not mean to imply I was defining the entire process. Direct observation is definitely part of it.You left out direct observation. That's not experiment.
I am getting told that the ice shelves will never form again while there is a 30% increase in the ice at the other pole.And you have it backwards. You set out to ruthlessly disprove, rule out, tighten variables, in order to be extremely suspicious of any result that does not rule out a possibility.
If you have direct observation of the Ice Shelves failing exponential, you just keep watching.
We are already Doing Something, don't worry. We are spending Billions to get ready to get ready.
You have no proof only scary stories...You cannot show me anything that rules out the possibility these Shelves will fail in next 100 years.
You cannot rule out that our Carbon 12 emissions along with killing a big portion of the global coral cycle did it.
Direct observation shows current melting.We are looking to rule things out, in Real Science. (tm)
We are not trying to prove anything, only disprove all we can think of to rule it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_MaximumYou have no proof only scary stories...
I have no knowledge on whether the ice shelves will or will not fall and whether humans might have anything to do with it.
I do know however that all extinction level events on the planet resulted from lower temperatures, not higher ones. And that is pretty mathematical and scientific right there...
No it doesnt. I said global extinction event. What you posted describes a general extinction of certain types of sea life over 1000's of years while other life FLOURISHED.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maximum
Go down to the section that says 'Life'. It refutes what's the second part of what you posted.
Plants are much more susceptible to changes in the climate, a few degrees difference could lead to problems with agriculture which could lead to food shortages, and since animals need plants to survive, you do the math..No it doesnt. I said global extinction event. What you posted describes a general extinction of certain types of sea life over 1000's of years while other life FLOURISHED.
What I am talking about is almost everything dying across the entire planet. It happens when the earth gets cold... That can occur due to normal global cycles, meteor strike, and/or other general disaster.