NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
Have you heard that plants do not grow in the cold?? TRUEFAX!!!
Satellite data proves Earth has not been warming the past 18 years - it's stable
- Thread starter sheskunk
- Start date
That says 35-50% of protozoa were killed off over a 1,000 year period. No evidence of extinction, in fact mammalian populations grew quite quickly during this period.
Mass extinction event for humans is what is needed, 75% depopulation would solve 99% of all of our problems. Fuel for your car would be back to $.10 a gallon and there would be food a plenty for all. According to your wiki link, a global cooling is what is needed, global warming seems to make things better for the survival of humans.
DonAlejandroVega
Well-Known Member
the biggest threat to homo sapiens is lack of fresh water, yet the developing nations are forever tainting billions of gallons a year via industry. you hear nothing of this in the criminal media. I'm becoming a Tusken raider now........to avoid the rush. single file........stay in line!
kinetic
Well-Known Member
So the Permian Triassic extinction was a cooling period? I thought it was vulcanic and a huge increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Help me understand please.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
you have such a great track record with skewed polls that you really should be the one to lecture about this.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
iguess you haven't heard of ice cores.
well, that totally disproves the theory that human activities are contributing to the rise in global temps.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
this is why no one listens to drunk racists from apache junction spouting about conspiracy theories to control "every human on the planet".
the ice at the north pole is not experiencing some magical 30% increase it total mass, either. you are just stupid.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
says the drunkard who claims that scientists are involved in a conspiracy to manufacture data so that "they" can control "every human on the planet earth".
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
you'd be passed out drunk by the time we started talking about plankton and the food chain.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
a direct repeat of what the heartland institute is now saying, since denying the whole thing isn't working anymore.
I have no idea what the heartland institute is saying so I cannot be repeating them, I can only tell you what kinetics wiki link said.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
believe me, you're repeating them nearly verbatim.
heckler73
Well-Known Member
Buck,
By chance would you have a paper or link, of what can be considered the pinnacle of Heartland Institute's view on this matter?
I honestly can't remember ever coming across their work, and you seem to know a helluva lot more about them than I. What I'd like to check are their sources...
By chance would you have a paper or link, of what can be considered the pinnacle of Heartland Institute's view on this matter?
I honestly can't remember ever coming across their work, and you seem to know a helluva lot more about them than I. What I'd like to check are their sources...
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
yep, the online periodical "The New American IS published by the JBS, but it was not ever published by Mr Welch, since he died in 1985.. (Edited, lexdycsic typo)There has been no "recent backpedalling"; the IPCC has been consistent in all 5 reports
-you deny it
"continues to base their "how much" assertions on guesswork and deliberately falsified data."
Talking point that's been demonstrably disproven repeatedly
-you deny it
Origins [John Birch Society]
The society was established in Indianapolis, Indiana, on December 9, 1958, by a group of 12 led by Robert Welch, Jr., a retired candy manufacturer from Belmont, Massachusetts. Welch named the new organization after John Birch, an American Baptist missionary and United States military intelligence officer who had been shot by communist forces in China in August 1945, shortly after the conclusion of World War II. Welch claimed that Birch was an unknown but dedicated anti-communist, and the first American casualty of the Cold War.
Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was one of the founding members. Robert Waring Stoddard, President of Wyman-Gordon, a major industrial enterprise, was also among the founders. Another was Revilo P. Oliver, a University of Illinois professor who later severed his relationship with the society and helped found the National Alliance. A transcript of Welch's two-day presentation at the founding meeting was published as The Blue Book of the John Birch Society, and became a cornerstone of its beliefs, with each new member receiving a copy. According to Welch, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'" Welch saw collectivism as the main threat to Western Civilization, and liberals as "secret communist traitors" who provided cover for the gradual process of collectivism, with the ultimate goal of replacing the nations of western civilization with a one-world socialist government. "There are many stages of welfarism, socialism, and collectivism in general," he wrote, "but Communism is the ultimate state of them all, and they all lead inevitably in that direction."
The society's activities include distribution of literature, pamphlets, magazines, videos and other educational material while sponsoring a Speaker's Bureau, which invites "speakers who are keenly aware of the motivations that drive political policy". One of the first public activities of the society was a "Get US Out!" (of membership in the UN) campaign, which claimed in 1959 that the "Real nature of [the] UN is to build a One World Government". In 1960, Welch advised JBS members to: "Join your local P.T.A. at the beginning of the school year, get your conservative friends to do likewise, and go to work to take it over." One Man's Opinion, a magazine launched by Welch in 1956, was renamed American Opinion, and became the society's official publication. The society publishes the biweekly publication The New American.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/18300-climategate-3-0-university-threatens-blogger-for-exposing-97-consensus-fraud
"smearing", "bullying", "intimidating".. all bullshit words that are meant to imply there's some debate about science because you can't argue the scientific facts. If you believe something that is bullshit, you get laughed out of academia, that's how it works. What's next, are you going to go to a gay pride parade and cry about heterosexual discrimination?
...wait, you probably would.. maybe that was a bad analogy..
Says the guy who cites the John Birch Society to prove anthropogenic climate change is a hoax...
@ Buck, I'd say this one's almost as bad as Roy Spencer, add Robert Welch to that embarrassing list of "scientists" the climate change deniers proudly cite without shame
however the news was only REPORTED by The New American, they were not the originators.
the report cited remains FACTUAL, even if MSNBC or RT report on it (as if).
the source of a news story is not the source of the news.
if Fox News or The New American jumped on the AGW/ACC/ACD/AC-DC bandwagon, would AGW suddenly become suspect in your view?
we all know the answer is yes, because you argue against the person or organization, not for any substantive position, that would require critical thinking and a backbone.
and now to the new canards:
Slander:
yes, the AGW/ACC/ACD bandwagoneers do use slander, libel and all ofther forms of calumny to smear those who hold a differing position.
they want to be the only voices in the discussion, because their position is WEAK
thats why you sneer and smirk, and pretend Dr Roy Spencer has been somehow discredited, along with all the others, while YOuR side relies on the totally imaginary scientific expertise of bloggers and other members of your echo-chamber.
youre using ad hominems right now, it's a fact. deal with it.
No Change In The IPCC Reports:
Horseshit.
"Almost All" of 1 degree C warming over 120 years becomes "~50% of 0.4 degrees C warming over 60 years" and you dont see the difference.
why dont you see it?
because the IPCC is pretending there is no change, and you are just taking their word for it.
it's a classic appeal to authority, and you are swallowing it whole.
silly lefty, tricks is for Ho's.
And All The Rest:
shouting at clouds and pretending things are the way you wish them to be is childish fantasy.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
plants survived the last glaciation, they survived the minoan and roman warm periods, as well as the cooler climate in between, they survived the medieval warm period, they survived the little ice age, and they have survived a full on glacial meltdown before the current glacial cycle began.
they survived the impact that wiped out the dinosaurs, they survived whatever mas extincted nearly everything after the Cambrian Explosion of new lifeforms, you are a fearmonger.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
the heartland institute changes so often to keep up with whatever the newest line of denial/minimization is, let's just go with their latest academic work, their rebuttal to the IPCC's latest report.
http://climatechangereconsidered.org/
their full report is at the bottom of the page. chapter one alone is 150 pages worth of shit not worth reading.
heckler73
Well-Known Member
If I may interject for a moment (in the hopes of bringing this part of the debate to rest), the following is from the IPCC 2007 SPM, pg. 5:
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
well as long as the corn farmers in iowa and south dakota don't mind moving to north dakota, and as long as the north dakotan wheat farmers don't mind packing it up to manitoba, then yeah, rising global temps due to man made activities is no big deal.
i suppose the wheat farmers in north dakota can just swap out their equipment with the south dakotans, and the manitobans with the north dakotans, and so on and so forth and they can all just start growing different crops than they've been growing.
shouldn't really be a problem.