~Dankster~420
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Keep up the great work bro! They are lovely. 
I wished I had my DWC going again after looking at your work..
Perpetual Grow - DWC/Waterfarm 432wT5 Veg, 600w HPS Flower
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Keep up the great work bro! They are lovely. I wished I had my DWC going again after looking at your work..
duudical
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Thanks man. I have a lot of plants going right now so I keep my DWC buckets down to like 6 at the most or else I am changing more than one a day which can get intensive. The rest of the plants are in Hempy buckets with coco mixed with perlite/growstone. The plants that go into the DWC/waterfarms outpace the others easily. It definitely grows plants quickly.
~Dankster~420
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I hear that.. Hell yeah it can.. some dont think, but me & you know this is some work. haha 
yeah just wanted to stop in and tell you your doing great bro. ladies look lovely if you ever have time check mine out. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/621620-danks-update-come-friends-take-2119.html
yeah just wanted to stop in and tell you your doing great bro. ladies look lovely if you ever have time check mine out. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/621620-danks-update-come-friends-take-2119.html
duudical
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Thanks man!I hear that.. Hell yeah it can.. some dont think, but me & you know this is some work. haha
Check out your grow and subbed...nice job. Love all the killer strains you playing with. Producing some beautiful looking varieties
duudical
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I am loving this LED. Super cheap. Just over $170 for ~300w (96x3w). Have it on bloom mode which basically decreases the red spectrum. Plants are growing tight nodes underneath it and the leaf production is exploding. Seriously digging this thing. I know people hate on LED a lot on these forums (besides the LED growers forums of course), but this light that most would consider a POS seems to be working to me I have it at about 21" off the canopy and it easily covers the 6 medium plants I have under it. They all seem to be growing faster under this than they were under the T5, thought other factors are involved like the fact they are further developed and have a better root system that also produces faster growth). But one thing is clear, it certainly isn't worse than the T5 and it uses about 120w at this setting versus the 432w that the T5 draws. I plan on buying at least two more of these to increase my footprint/intensity. That will give me an output of about 864w with a draw of only 360w. So twice the output of the one T5 - that covers about 4 x 3 area - and -72w the draw ($!) while increasing the coverage to around 6x4. Doesn't seem like a hard decision. I bought this thing as an experiment and within 7 days, it is clear it is legit. My son saw the plants before I hung it and then came back a few days later and was like "Damn Dad, those plants are loving that thing". I am sure you can do better with your MH. But there is no way I am going there. To me, this is the shit right here.
And that shine you see on the leaves, that is the H16 foliar that I hit them with yesterday. It tells you on the bottle to expect a waxy like appearance on the leaves and sure enough, that is exactly what happens. And if you aren't using that shit, you should be. I see plants rebound from stress within 30 minutes to an hour after getting a good misting with it. I use it twice a week-ish in conjunction with H&G Magic Green. Great results and zero problems after doing this for months so I seriously recommend it. I even spray them right under the lights. Unless you have some high watt HID over your plants, you aren't going to have to worry about plants being burnt or anything. The LED certainly isn't an issue. I have huge droplets sit on the leaves and once the plant drinks it up or it evaporates there is not a singe spots or issue at all on the leaves. I also have had zero issues under the T5, which does put out some heat. The whole "it magnifies the light" thing is a myth that has been debunked for years and years. Like when people say don't water your lawn in the heat of the day because it will burn it from the magnification of the Sun's rays....bullshit. Same thing here. But if you heat water sitting on leaves via a 1000w high intensity light bulb to high temperatures, you will burn your shit
Take it or leave it. Works for me
I have it at about 21" off the canopy and it easily covers the 6 medium plants I have under it. They all seem to be growing faster under this than they were under the T5, thought other factors are involved like the fact they are further developed and have a better root system that also produces faster growth). But one thing is clear, it certainly isn't worse than the T5 and it uses about 120w at this setting versus the 432w that the T5 draws. I plan on buying at least two more of these to increase my footprint/intensity. That will give me an output of about 864w with a draw of only 360w. So twice the output of the one T5 - that covers about 4 x 3 area - and -72w the draw ($!) while increasing the coverage to around 6x4. Doesn't seem like a hard decision. I bought this thing as an experiment and within 7 days, it is clear it is legit. My son saw the plants before I hung it and then came back a few days later and was like "Damn Dad, those plants are loving that thing". I am sure you can do better with your MH. But there is no way I am going there. To me, this is the shit right here. And that shine you see on the leaves, that is the H16 foliar that I hit them with yesterday. It tells you on the bottle to expect a waxy like appearance on the leaves and sure enough, that is exactly what happens. And if you aren't using that shit, you should be. I see plants rebound from stress within 30 minutes to an hour after getting a good misting with it. I use it twice a week-ish in conjunction with H&G Magic Green. Great results and zero problems after doing this for months so I seriously recommend it. I even spray them right under the lights. Unless you have some high watt HID over your plants, you aren't going to have to worry about plants being burnt or anything. The LED certainly isn't an issue. I have huge droplets sit on the leaves and once the plant drinks it up or it evaporates there is not a singe spots or issue at all on the leaves. I also have had zero issues under the T5, which does put out some heat. The whole "it magnifies the light" thing is a myth that has been debunked for years and years. Like when people say don't water your lawn in the heat of the day because it will burn it from the magnification of the Sun's rays....bullshit. Same thing here. But if you heat water sitting on leaves via a 1000w high intensity light bulb to high temperatures, you will burn your shit
Take it or leave it. Works for me
eastcoastmo
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Fuck yeah bro they look bloody magnificent 
That LED is really making them stand to attention hey and that spray sounds like the goods!!
That LED is really making them stand to attention hey and that spray sounds like the goods!!
duudical
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Honestly, I have only been growing for about 3 years or so, but in that time I have probably grown a dozen or so different strains, and I have yet to find one that is truly difficult to grow, or at least so much more difficult that I would call it for "experienced" growers. I put her from a little seedling into a water farm bucket and have been feeding her no different than any of my other ladies and she is exploding! Humungous leaves. Very stout. She has not shown one nutrient issue so far.
I have two more seeds of Emdog that I will definitely pop. I am excited about seeing this current one reach her potential.
beastbub
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Glad to know! I am a fan of cypress hill and i like how he supports the legalization and promotes the culture and whatnot. Either you got lucky or this strain isnt that picky
Anyway subbed and will see how she turns out later thx for the ride hahaha!
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duudical
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Dude, I am with you on the B.Real loveGlad to know! I am a fan of cypress hill and i like how he supports the legalization and promotes the culture and whatnot. Either you got lucky or this strain isnt that picky
Anyway subbed and will see how she turns out later thx for the ride hahaha!
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I picked up a 3 pack so we shall see if any other phenos emerge. So far, I love this one though!
beastbub
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I m quite new about phenos can you explain a bit what are phenos? I checked on other sites and i think every sites shows something a bit different.Dude, I am with you on the B.Real love
I picked up a 3 pack so we shall see if any other phenos emerge. So far, I love this one though!
So there are like alpha beta phenos
?
duudical
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Totally.I m quite new about phenos can you explain a bit what are phenos? I checked on other sites and i think every sites shows something a bit different.
So there are like alpha beta phenos
So, just like everywhere on this planet where reproduction happens in a species that has a distinct male and female contribution (such as us and marijuana), nature has allowed for a built in attempt at survival in how these genes are shared. What genes are expressed can relate to a plant's (in nature) ability to survive its environment. After millions and millions of years, nature has developed a method of ensuring that the maximum variety possible is expressed from any individual life-form to increase the possibility of the survival of that species in an ever-changing environment. As this process has continued, certain genes have proven to be beneficial which allowed for their carriers to live longer, healthier, more reproductive lives. Thus different species, and within them different families and categories, emerged. And within them, there still exists this variety because whenever two parents combine DNA, it will result in a 50/50 add mixture that is different each time. This is why twins that come from two separate eggs are never identical even though they came from the same male and female parents. Only twins that result from a single fertilized egg (thus the same exact genetic code) that then divides are identical. In fact, if you could clone the male sperm so that those two eggs were fertilized by genetically-identical sperm, they would still not be identical, in fact they could still produce male and female offspring since the male sperm can produce by X and Y chromosomes. As soon as a different egg or pollen/sperm is involved you have instant variety! So, when you get a seed form a seed bank, it came from one particular female egg (not just a plant, but a distinct ovule) which was fertilized by male spermatozoa (one particular grain of pollen). Even if they use a single male or a single female to generate all these seeds, the fact is each male and female contribution is a random mixture of that plants particular genetic code and can express very different traits depending on how those gene-pairings occur.
It could have a dominant gene for, say, displaying purplish hues in certain environments (you would see it represented as P when talking about genetics (capital P because it is dominant, so P would mean it would show purple, p would mean it wouldn't)). That plant could have the code Pp (one dominant and one recessive - which would still result in a purple tendency since the dominant gene will overpower the recessive gene; Pp, PP, and pP all would = purple; while pp would = not purple). So when this plant creates an ovule, it will distribute the P and the p genes randomly throughout. If that plant, even though it gets purple, has a male pollenate an egg with the p gene with pollen with the p gene, the resulting seed (pp) will not show purple colors (this could be true even if the father plant is a purple-showing plant, since it could also have the Pp code which means it has the genes for both, he just happened to pass along the recessive p gene which, matched with the females p gene would create a non-purple offspring genetically)
So even though plants belong to a certain strain, there still exists a large measure of variety and mixture amongst the genes. Certain dominate traits begin to show themselves creating something like sub-categories of that certain strain referred to as phenotypes. Essentially they represent physical, noticeable characteristics that are determined by the expression of certain dominant genes within a strain. Especially when dealing with hybrids where a mixture of sativa and indica genetics are in play, you often wind up with one or more phenotypes that each lean more towards the sativa or indica parentage depending on what genes were present in the particular pollen and the particular ovule that created each one of them. So with one female plant fertilized with one male, you can get a multitude of different gene expressions based on the distribution of each plants genes amongst their contributions to the reproductive process and the random way in which they combine and form a unique genetic profile. It can take quite a view generations to stabilize and weed out (pun intended) the undesired traits until you get the dominance of particular genes to become prevalent. This is why different races and even different peoples within the different ethnicities are identifiable as part of distance categories of people on this planet. This happened to all of our ancestors as they settled in areas and began to reproduce. Certain genes began to be expressed while others weren't passed on due to a multitude of various factors. It created wondrous variety and amazing adaptations within our own species that has improved the survivability of these different families within the human race. Incredible right!?
This is why clones are the ideal way to maintain a particular genetic profile you like. Seeds are always representative of two distinct parents, and the distinct genes that their contributions had when they combined to make the seed; whereas a clone is a genetic duplicate of the plant from which it was taken. Of course, you have the hermaphrodite exception where a plant fertilizes itself. But still, that plant has a variety of genes that are randomly distributed throughout its ovules and the pollen it develops out of a response to stress/desperation. So, while the seeds from this plant will be "feminized" (meaning there is no Y chromosomes available in its genetic code so they can't make boys), the seeds will still represent a certain distribution of genes that are expressed based on their dominance or recessiveness compared to other genes, and so you get distinct variation in that scenario.
So, if anyone ever posts on your thread something like "That isn't a real [fill in the strain]", they don't quite realize that the only "real" copy is a clone. Unless you have a cut from the original OG plant or the Blue Dream or whatever (does anyone? highly speculative), what you really have is a plant that represents the mixture of genes that have come from a massive variety of parentage and unique profiles of plants within the strains used to create the strain in question. It could be true that one particular plant might have some dominant traits that show up frequently within that strain due to selective breeding, but a seed from the same mating that produced seeds that grow plants that look like the strain is "supposed" (desired) to can also produce plants that are just as much that strain, but express different genes and look drastically different. Essentially different phenotypes. Breeders take the phenos they like and try to further develop them using male plants that also demonstrate these desired traits. The result will always be variety - but more plants with the desired traits will result if parent are selected carefully.
Hopefully that didn't confuse more than help as I might have just confused myself
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beastbub
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very well explained my friend! not confusing at all!Totally.
So, just like everywhere on this planet where reproduction happens in a species that has a distinct male and female contribution (such as us and marijuana), nature has allowed for a built in attempt at survival in how these genes are shared. What genes are expressed can relate to a plant's (in nature) ability to survive its environment. After millions and millions of years, nature has developed a method of ensuring that the maximum variety possible is expressed from any individual life-form to increase the possibility of the survival of that species in an ever-changing environment. As this process has continued, certain genes have proven to be beneficial which allowed for their carriers to live longer, healthier, more reproductive lives. Thus different species, and within them different families and categories emerged. And within them, there still exists this variety because whenever two parents combine DNA, it will result in a 50/50 add mixture that is different each time as. This is why twins that come from two separate eggs are never identical even though they came from the same male and female parents. Only twins that result from a single fertilized egg (thus the same exact genetic code) are identical. In fact, if you could clone the male sperm so that those two eggs were fertilized by a genetical identical sperm, they would still not be identical, in fact they could still produce male and female offspring. As soon as a different egg or pollen/sperm is involved you have instant variety! So, when you get a seed form a seed bank, it came from one particular female egg (not just a plant, but a distinct ovule) which was fertilized by male spermatozoa (one particular grain of pollen). Even if they use a single male or a single female to generate all these seeds, the fact is each male and female contribution is a random mixture of that plants particular genetic code.
It could have a dominant gene for, say, displaying purplish hues in certain environments (you would see it represented as P when talking about genetics (capital P because it is dominant, so P would mean it would show purple, p would mean it wouldn't)). That plant could have the code Pp (one dominant and one recessive - which would still result in a purple tendency since the dominant gene will overpower the recessive gene; Pp, PP, and pP all would = purple; while pp would = not purple). So when this plant creates an ovule, it will distribute the P and the p genes randomly throughout. If that plant, even though it gets purple, has a male pollenate this egg with pollen with the p gene, the resulting seed will not show purple colors (this could be true even if the father plant is a purple-showing plant, since it could also have the Pp code which means it has the genes for both, he just happened to pass along the recessive p gene which, matched with the females p gene would create a non-purple offspring genetically)
So even though plants belong to a certain strain, there still exists a large measure of variety and mixture amongst the genes. Certain dominate traits begin to show themselves creating something like sub-categories of that certain strain referred to as phenotypes. Essentially they represent physical, noticeable characteristics that are determined by the expression of certain dominant genes within a strain. Especially when dealing with hybrids where a mixture of sativa and indica genetics are in play, you often wind up with one or more phenotypes that each lean more towards the sativa or indica parentage depending on what genes were present in the particular pollen and the particular ovule that created each one of them. So with one female plant fertilized with one male, you can get a multitude of different gene expressions based on the distribution of each plants genes amongst their contributions to the reproductive process and the random way in which they combine and form a unique genetic profile. It can take quite a view generations to stabilize and weed out (pun intended) the undesired traits until you get the dominance of particular genes to become prevalent. This is why different races and even different peoples within the different ethnicities are identifiable as part of distance categories of people on this planet. This happened to all of our ancestors as they settled in areas and began to reproduce. Certain genes began to be expressed while others weren't passed on due to a multitude of various factors. It created wondrous variety and amazing adaptations within our own species that has improved the survivability of these different families within the human race. Incredible right!?
This is why clones are the ideal way to maintain a particular genetic profile you like. Seeds are always representative of two distinct parents, and the distinct genes that their contributions had when they combined to make the seed. Of course, you have the hermaphrodite exception where a plant fertilizes itself. But still, that plant has a variety of genes that are randomly distributed throughout its ovules and the pollen it develops out of a response to stress/desperation. So, while the seeds from this plant will be "feminized" (meaning there is no Y chromosomes available in its genetic code so they can't make boys), the seeds will still represent a certain distribution of genes that are expressed based on their dominance or recessiveness compared to other genes, and so you get distinct variation in that scenario.
So, if anyone ever posts on your thread something like "That isn't a real [fill in the strain]", they don't quite realize that the only "real" copy is a clone. Unless you have a cut from the original OG plant or the Blue Dream or whatever (does anyone? highly speculative), what you really have is a plant that represents the mixture of genes that have come from a massive variety of parentage and unique profiles of plants within the strains used to create the strain in question. It could be true that one particular plant might have some dominant traits that show up frequently within that strain due to selective breeding, but a seed from the same mating that produced seeds that grow plants that look like the strain is "supposed" (desired) to can also produce plants that are just as much that strain, but express different genes. Essentially different phenotypes. Breeders take the phenos they like and try to further develop them using male plants that also demonstrate these desired traits. The result will always be variety - but more plants with the desired traits will result if parent are selected carefully.
Hopefully that didn't confuse more than help as I might have just confused myself
I major in biology but i m more on human body area than plants but i would really like to learn more about it. Thank you so much for time and effort for this detailed reply man! Now i underatand why the same kinda seeds i pop all show different traits!
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duudical
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Here is the beautiful Emdog today. I think she is right around 7 weeks from germination.
So, along those same lines of phenotypes. I have never grown this or really seen that much about it, but one thing I notice is that it has pretty broad leaves - typically indicative of indica dominance. That is notable because Humboldt's description claims 60/40 (S/I) so I wouldn't expect such indica looking leaves. Now, it is still young, but I will continue to note this characteristic as she grows and compare it to the other Emdog seeds. And the leaf size is only one trait of the indica and sativa families and so it could still be mostly sativa with leaves broader than you would typically expect. The strain's heritage is Chem#4 x OG Kush. Both of those are hybrids that have some indica and some sativa. And the OG Kush (I think they call it OGK3) is itself (according to the source) the result of two different OG lines (one from Kief Sweat and one from B.Real....Jesus Christ, how much fucking cooler can that be
??!!) which came from plants that were themselves the product of seemingly endless variety from all the plants that ever had anything to do with its development - so again a lot of mixture in there, ha ha!It would be cool to get a couple of distinct phenos out of the seeds - but we shall see. That's why I don't sweat it on the whole "is this the real....." blah, blah, blah. If it's bomb, who the fuck cares what stupid name someone gave it and whether some jackass who had a plant called the same thing that looked different thinks its "real" or not?
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duudical
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Perfect! They work essentially the same exact way that we do. All dioecious plants - those that reproduce by male DNA mixing with female DNA from different contributors (ideally) - basically do. All those Punnett Squares will carry right over into your cannabis breeding. Cool, right?
duudical
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About 10 days to go for this lovely Blue Dream. Right now she is just getting water and H16 Flush @ 10ml/gal. I haven't every really seen this particular plant (I only grew one seed and this one is the last of many clones from that original mom) finish with faded leaves and whatnot. They'll dry out a little bit, but they seem to finish green as can be at 70+ days.
I am proud of this Blue Dream because she was used a test subject for all kinds of tweaks I was making in desperation due to all kinds of frustrating issues. A LOT of changes (most unnecessary) happened in her life starting from when she was first rooted. She weathered all of them and was always my indicator when I was doing something right and never seemed to punish me for the wrong shit. I am actually going to miss seeing this lady every morning.
She smells insane too!
I am proud of this Blue Dream because she was used a test subject for all kinds of tweaks I was making in desperation due to all kinds of frustrating issues. A LOT of changes (most unnecessary) happened in her life starting from when she was first rooted. She weathered all of them and was always my indicator when I was doing something right and never seemed to punish me for the wrong shit. I am actually going to miss seeing this lady every morning.
She smells insane too!
beastbub
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yea! As i m learning more and more on plants i find they are more alike to animals including us humans, very very fascinating! I know for sure one day i ll breed some good stuff myself maybe years later when i get the right envoiurment set up. Right now i m having enough fun and excitment just to see the plants growing and learning to read their msgs! So much to learn and explore haha!
Btw the em dog still looking dope! How long are you planning to have it veg for and any reasoning behind it?
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duudical
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Here is the flower room today.
Remember when I was whining about how I never had any plants stretch and all that?...ha ha....what a dumbass. The Sour Diesel (back left in the pictures) has now more-than-doubled from 18" to 39". She is closing in on the end of her third week so I am hoping she is going to be done here soon, the light is as high as I can get it with the current hangers. For a while there I would look every morning and she had crept up an inch or four overnight! But I spread her apart with some bamboo stakes and twist ties so she has a little more distance from that hot fucker. She is impressive and I am so stoked on how she is developing. The Bubba Kush (front right) is continuing to bulk up. Amazing how much faster she is budding than the Blue Dreams I have been flowering. I will be surprised if she gets beyond 8 weeks, though Humboldt says 9. I am planning around 9 weeks, but will keep an eye on her. She's on day 32. The Sour Diesel mom (back right) is trucking along at day 25. She is on a stool so she can get up there with the hogs Much daintier than her clone, but she drinks that 4 gallon felt pot of coco dry in around 3 days so she is clearly in good shape.
Remember when I was whining about how I never had any plants stretch and all that?...ha ha....what a dumbass. The Sour Diesel (back left in the pictures) has now more-than-doubled from 18" to 39". She is closing in on the end of her third week so I am hoping she is going to be done here soon, the light is as high as I can get it with the current hangers
. For a while there I would look every morning and she had crept up an inch or four overnight! But I spread her apart with some bamboo stakes and twist ties so she has a little more distance from that hot fucker. She is impressive and I am so stoked on how she is developing. The Bubba Kush (front right) is continuing to bulk up. Amazing how much faster she is budding than the Blue Dreams I have been flowering. I will be surprised if she gets beyond 8 weeks, though Humboldt says 9. I am planning around 9 weeks, but will keep an eye on her. She's on day 32. The Sour Diesel mom (back right) is trucking along at day 25. She is on a stool so she can get up there with the hogs Much daintier than her clone, but she drinks that 4 gallon felt pot of coco dry in around 3 days so she is clearly in good shape.
duudical
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I hear you man!
I am in the middle of expanding my flowering capability and will be adding a light here in the near future so that I can get 8 plants in there. I have another SourD clone that will replace the Blue Dream in a week or so. At that point I will have (2) fairly large Bubba Kush clones, a great looking Sage n Sour that I have mainlined who is just exploding, and this Emdog. That is really the only thing dictating when the Emdog will go in. I am working on training 2' x 2' x 2' plants to see if I can get the maximum # of plants with the most effective light coverage going in the flowering tent.
I would say another 4 weeks is likely. I will spend a lot of time training her into the right shape in the meantime. She is already topped once, resulting the 4 tops she has now. I will let those grow a few more nodes out and then top each one of those down a ways to get 8 good tops going and then train her out so that the is 18-24" across or so.
beastbub
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Ahhhh! Noted!!
CANT WAIT to see hahaha!