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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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UncleBuck said:
i could fill an entire forum expounding on the idiocy of sowell, but i think i'll just let you use him as the "i can't be racist, this black person says the same stupid fucking shit i do" crutch that you so need.
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All I say is people still on the plantation can't stand your ass if you leave.
This applies to any culture...the plantation of today hate to hear the clink of broken mental chains.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
All I say is people still on the plantation can't stand your ass if you leave.
This applies to any culture...the plantation of today hate to hear the clink of broken mental chains.
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ah, yes.

the "liberal plantation".

it's not the fact that you have horrible ideas that are abhorrent to minorities (like getting rid of civil rights because it's not a "good idea", or telling muslims they can't build a mosque under freedom of religion), it's just that black people are too stupid to think for themselves and too lazy to do anything but take handouts.

that racist assumption is what your entire "liberal plantation" nonsense depends on.

:clap:

because it simply couldn't be your platform of horrible ideas and bigotry. no, nothing is EVER your fault. you are a member of the party of personal responsibility, yet refuse to acknowledge that your personal ideas are what is responsible for the fact that minorities simply do not want to vote for your candidates, by and large.

why don't you go send rawn pawl some more money so he can publish more of his infamous newsletters and then wonder to yourself why minorities abhor your party and refuse to vote for it.
 
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BigNBushy

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JohnnySocko said:
Well I'll give you this: You have thus far at least avoided digressing a decent discussion into personal attacks...

I've read really credible scientific journals that concluded that if anything, blacks are probably even more "evolved" given their longevity...
but just like anything, you can twist logic and stats anyway you want, and besides regardless of who is supposedly superior, you as a history buff should know this is a dangerous precedent to travel down....

TBH I think you have simply fell for the latest deception from the Republinazis marketing branch that has systematically eliminated all causes for black failure except racial genetics (again a blatantly obvious attempt to mitigate the supersaturation of marketing white guilt by the lefties)

.. I'm not so certain you could honestly know a lot about history and still conclude black people plight is a complex amalgamation of oppression and self inflicted issues
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Thank you for the compliment, I have enjoyed discussig things with you. I, and you, appear to be more civilized than most of the other liberals on this site.

As to your first point about longevity, where do you get that? Because I was under the assumption that the average life span of African Americans were lower than the cumulative American average. With whites living 78.9 years, and blacks living 74.6 years.
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/

So by your own metric, whites are more evolved, unless you meant something else by longevity.

I agree that it is dangerous, that is why most people viscously attack and horribly mischaracterize my stance on the issue. Most people assue I want a return to JimCrow, if not slavery. But nothing could be further from the truth. I think we are all humans, and as such deserve the same treatment, both under the law, and from one another.

I am just not afraid to state what is the obvious to anyone with eyes open enough to have a look.

As I am sure you know there are several kinds of intelligence, and this is why I like discussing things such as this, because something someone recently said led to a light bulb moment for me. Ever look at musicians on late night tv? Popular culture? Even way back in the 1920's white racist white folks loved to go see a black jazz or blues show. I think blacks have a greater musical intelligence, perhaps not the science of music, but in musics performance. And many other arts. Blacks have a higher aptitude for music, poetry, and many other things I think than whites do.

But that isn't as important to the advancement of society as an aptitude in chemisty, physics, and mathematics, for example, and their aptitude isn't extremely greater in the arts than other races. Bt the arts are probably where blacks have contributed the most to the cultures they have belonged.

Honestly, I was not racist in the least in my adulthood until about age 22 until I took a sociology class in college; while reading the text book I noticed a trend, in nearly ever category measured by the book, blacks measured in the least desirable position. Tat opened my mind.

I am fully aware that their plight has complex causes. Yes they had to endure European colonialism, so did most of the rest of the world. Pretty much all of south east Asia was under an European overlord, and they have rebounded nicely. They achieved independence about the same time, and actually came under it earlier in many cases.

As an interesting point, it would apper for studying south east Asia that colonialism was indeed a good thing. I think it was Siam (Thailand) that never had a colonial overlord, and they are probably not as well off as indonisia, south Korea, or Malaysia. So by looking at very similar cultures in south east Asia, one can see no impediment from colonialism, and it might also be a boon, as one fo the least develeoped countries of the region was the one that was not colonized.

The argument in africa is that they just drew border all willy nilly like and that is why they can't get over it, 60 years later. I just don't think they're capable.
 
JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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BigNBushy said:
Thank you for the compliment, I have enjoyed discussig things with you. I, and you, appear to be more civilized than most of the other liberals on this site.


Good, as there was ZERO sarcasm here....in all honesty I think you couldn't be more wrong and IMO are more a target of "reform" than beguile (insert humor)


As to your first point about longevity, where do you get that? Because I was under the assumption that the average life span of African Americans were lower than the cumulative American average. With whites living 78.9 years, and blacks living 74.6 years.
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy-by-re/

So by your own metric, whites are more evolved, unless you meant something else by longevity.

I did,
they" (scientist) did some shit involving DBA sequences or some shit, seems Africans apparently have the most diverse set of genes and apparently have more genes and shit FURTHER from ape ancestry than the other races (supposedly from being on Earth longer = more evolved..whatever) ...no clue WTF that has to do with big brains and shit, but I can't see only 10K yrs of racial divergence amounting to a crap of real difference, I'll leave that type of hubris to the supremacist

I agree that it is dangerous, that is why most people viscously attack and horribly mischaracterize my stance on the issue. Most people assue I want a return to JimCrow, if not slavery. But nothing could be further from the truth. I think we are all humans, and as such deserve the same treatment, both under the law, and from one another.

I'm being a smart alec but this sounds like the ole saying "All men are equal but some men are more equal than others" was that charlottes web? I dunno...but even you can see the problematic issues preventing such racial bias from affecting someones daily decisions...you said you've hired blacks, well TBH that is a lil hard to fathom from a conflicted mind/impartiality POV

I am just not afraid to state what is the obvious to anyone with eyes open enough to have a look.

You seem to gloss over a plethora of variables that affect peoples ability to learn and over emphasis genetics...yeah I've seen whole families of dumbasses but have you ever whatched "Jihn Zu" raise a child as opposed to ""Tamieka Washington"? ...I'm guessing one gives her kid a set of legos and a Abacus and the other plops hers in front of sponge bob and no doubt has a cell phone stuck in her ear? (and yeah stereotyping done for effect) ...and then there is lead, diet, education, et
Your nature vs nurture thing IMO is done from a far too narrow a world view...I could go on about my experiences with Asians during childhood, but suuffice to say say it wasn't on the Basketball court....



As I am sure you know there are several kinds of intelligence, and this is why I like discussing things such as this, because something someone recently said led to a light bulb moment for me. Ever look at musicians on late night tv? Popular culture? Even way back in the 1920's white racist white folks loved to go see a black jazz or blues show. I think blacks have a greater musical intelligence, perhaps not the science of music, but in musics performance. And many other arts. Blacks have a higher aptitude for music, poetry, and many other things I think than whites do.

Dude, ya gotta study history a lil more (said with emphasis not anger)....MUSIC, LANGUAGE and other cultural nuances develop in ISOLATION...hell Jews have followed a eerily similar societal path with blacks: music, boxing the arts, et...
Hence sports and musical opportunities and such were emphasized because they were the only opportunities fully open for that race at that time...how many inventions and government contracts could a NG'r get in Alabama circa 1920?
...and yeah, there are different intelligence's and NO aptitude can measure creativity...probably why all these billions smart Asians have yet to produce a Michael Jackson, Miles David or Tyler Perry....(let remember blacks impact far out weighs their 10% of THE US population if viewed from a cultural perspective basically Black appitude in music is more of a narrowed forced opportunity than some perceived genetic aptitude



But that isn't as important to the advancement of society as an aptitude in chemisty, physics, and mathematics, for example, and their aptitude isn't extremely greater in the arts than other races. Bt the arts are probably where blacks have contributed the most to the cultures they have belonged.

Honestly, I was not racist in the least in my adulthood until about age 22 until I took a sociology class in college; while reading the text book I noticed a trend, in nearly ever category measured by the book, blacks measured in the least desirable position. Tat opened my mind.

I am fully aware that their plight has complex causes. Yes they had to endure European colonialism, so did most of the rest of the world. Pretty much all of south east Asia was under an European overlord, and they have rebounded nicely. They achieved independence about the same time, and actually came under it earlier in many cases.

As an interesting point, it would apper for studying south east Asia that colonialism was indeed a good thing. I think it was Siam (Thailand) that never had a colonial overlord, and they are probably not as well off as indonisia, south Korea, or Malaysia. So by looking at very similar cultures in south east Asia, one can see no impediment from colonialism, and it might also be a boon, as one fo the least develeoped countries of the region was the one that was not colonized.

The argument in africa is that they just drew border all willy nilly like and that is why they can't get over it, 60 years later. I just don't think they're capable.
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I'll address the rest of what you are saying later...its gonna take me a lil time but I'll get you turned bro....
 
JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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BTW, I re-read what I wrote...it always sounds worse when you re-read it (no time for a mulligan)...anyway my tone really isn't as harsh as it reads...plain text doesn't convey feelings very well (probably the reason for all the vitrole around here)
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
He didn't say get a rope and find a tree, he said just go to another beach.
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so go to another beach if there are too many black people there. got it.

since you claim to believe in treating everyone equally, where then is the advice to go to another beach if there are too many white people there?
 
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BigNBushy

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JohnnySocko said:
BTW, I re-read what I wrote...it always sounds worse when you re-read it (no time for a mulligan)...anyway my tone really isn't as harsh as it reads...plain text doesn't convey feelings very well (probably the reason for all the vitrole around here)
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Since simple text cannot convey tone, and I have zero knowledge of how any of you speak using your voice, I never add anything to simple text and simply read it for what it is for.
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
so go to another beach if there are too many black people there. got it.

since you claim to believe in treating everyone equally, where then is the advice to go to another beach if there are too many white people there?
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Well, I suppose that if there are to many white people at the beach, a black family will go to the one with all the black people. I heard somewhere onetime that the most segregated place on earth was the lunch room. Schools, factories, jails and prisons, there is very little mixing going on. This has certainly been true in all the lunch rooms I have ever been a part of. Not only do all the black people sit at the same tables, all their tables are next to each other. And if you do sit down there, you are told to leave, at least I was in jail.

But I have noticed that in both places of work and school. It wasn't a rule, but when a black guy on his first day of work came in, he went straight to the table with other black folks.

Same for white people. They went straight to the tables with white people.

What happened to me in jail was it was my first day, I got to the table first, then it filled half way up with brothers, and they told me to get the fuck up, to go sit with "my" people.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
Well, I suppose that if there are to many white people at the beach, a black family will go to the one with all the black people. I heard somewhere onetime that the most segregated place on earth was the lunch room. Schools, factories, jails and prisons, there is very little mixing going on. This has certainly been true in all the lunch rooms I have ever been a part of. Not only do all the black people sit at the same tables, all their tables are next to each other. And if you do sit down there, you are told to leave, at least I was in jail.

But I have noticed that in both places of work and school. It wasn't a rule, but when a black guy on his first day of work came in, he went straight to the table with other black folks.

Same for white people. They went straight to the tables with white people.

What happened to me in jail was it was my first day, I got to the table first, then it filled half way up with brothers, and they told me to get the fuck up, to go sit with "my" people.
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get caught stealing from walmart, or did your parents turn you in?
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
get caught stealing from walmart, or did your parents turn you in?
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Haha, actually, I'll tell this story.

I did drugs last on December 27 2012.

On december 28, I was with my parents, we went to Asheville nc for the day to get some stuff, take a road trip, yada yada.

The next day I was supposed to go to rehab.

Well my parents were in a store, and they wanted something, so I drove my car about 3 miles down the road to a kmart to get it.

On the way back, I went up a road to look at a "scenic view" they had advertised. The road went straight up a hill, big hill.

I passed the wide spot where the view was, it was full, and attempted to do a 3 point turn. I was dope sick, the road was slick, and I really wasnt paying to much attention. So I went off the road, and my car was stuck.

Someone called the police, they came, and with such a stupid car accident, he did a breathalyzer, I passed. He did a field sobriety test, I gave 2 clues (which would be passing in Tennessee, but I was in north carolina and didn't know their laws) out of 6. He was convinced I was on something, and I agreed to a blood test.

Well I didn't know that for a blood test I had to be arrested, and so I just agreed to be arrested, for a dwi. I spent 4 days in the buncombe county jail in Asheville north carolina.

I was sober as a judge, just acting strange because I was dope sick.

Would you believe that the blood sample is still not back yet and I am still dealing with this bullshit?

If/when my blood comes back I will be fully exonerated.

There will be marijuana and opiates in my system, but neither will be indicative of being under the influence.

At the time I didn't have the money to hire a lawyer, now I don't think I need one.

We shall see.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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heckler73 said:
Is that supposed to be a question?

If you don't believe tests of cognitive function (including the classic Stroop Effect test which every Psych student learns about in their first semester) are components of IQ, then what is your definition of 'intelligence'?

Or did the chimp in the vid embarrass you when you tried the Monkey Ladder? Don't worry, I doubt there are many humans (besides savants) who can beat the photographic memory of that simian.
Which brings my mind around to a topic of evolution and how the brain of humans has made certain sacrifices in some parts of perception to accommodate expanded creativity functions.
Does consciousness have an energy budget? :joint: :-?
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The Monkey Ladder one is a learned test. If you study the patterns you can memorize the configurations. They then also tend to use an inside outside pattern. If you notice, the monkey missed one which didn't follow the usual pattern. With enough study, you can match the monkey.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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BigNBushy said:
Well, I suppose that if there are to many white people at the beach, a black family will go to the one with all the black people. I heard somewhere onetime that the most segregated place on earth was the lunch room. Schools, factories, jails and prisons, there is very little mixing going on. This has certainly been true in all the lunch rooms I have ever been a part of. Not only do all the black people sit at the same tables, all their tables are next to each other. And if you do sit down there, you are told to leave, at least I was in jail.

But I have noticed that in both places of work and school. It wasn't a rule, but when a black guy on his first day of work came in, he went straight to the table with other black folks.

Same for white people. They went straight to the tables with white people.

What happened to me in jail was it was my first day, I got to the table first, then it filled half way up with brothers, and they told me to get the fuck up, to go sit with "my" people.
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I think jailhouse/prison lunchrooms are a little different than your everyday schoolhouse lunchrooms. I'm guessing you went to elementary school sometime before 1980? Kids high school age and below are increasingly more welcoming to other ethnicities, I know myself as a kid going to school throughout the 90's and 00's that I was probably never in a classroom with 100% of any kind of single race.. most of my school was made up of at least 50% latino students, 30%, 20% white
 
thump easy

thump easy

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Padawanbater2 said:
I think jailhouse/prison lunchrooms are a little different than your everyday schoolhouse lunchrooms. I'm guessing you went to elementary school sometime before 1980? Kids high school age and below are increasingly more welcoming to other ethnicities, I know myself as a kid going to school throughout the 90's and 00's that I was probably never in a classroom with 100% of any kind of single race.. most of my school was made up of at least 50% latino students, 30%, 20% white
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actualy i grew up in pomona and it was rare to see a white kid in class mostly black mexican or hispanic or some sort, asian, but not realy any white folks i think if thier was as i recall they either swung to the hispanic side or black side??? met a white boy claimed to be a crip nick named goldie lox!!! i met a white cat they called him tweetie, but very rare.. in my naborhood, then i went to arizona and i was like one of three in prescott fuck culture class like a mother fucker for realz!!! i once saw two asian cats get in a scuffle one sead he was CHOPS from a hispanic crew and the other sead he was SIDE KICK from a black crew it was the funist shit i ever seen one talked like a black dude and the other like a cholo.. i could stop laughing i thought it was just not real.. to funny wish we had youtube back then...
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Canna Sylvan said:
The Monkey Ladder one is a learned test. If you study the patterns you can memorize the configurations. They then also tend to use an inside outside pattern. If you notice, the monkey missed one which didn't follow the usual pattern. With enough study, you can match the monkey.
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Is that so? I'd love to see how long it takes for you to beat the monkey. (oh boy, I see a pun in there somewhere).
 
JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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BigNBushy said:
Well, I suppose that if there are to many white people at the beach, a black family will go to the one with all the black people. I heard somewhere onetime that the most segregated place on earth was the lunch room. Schools, factories, jails and prisons, there is very little mixing going on. This has certainly been true in all the lunch rooms I have ever been a part of. Not only do all the black people sit at the same tables, all their tables are next to each other. And if you do sit down there, you are told to leave, at least I was in jail.

But I have noticed that in both places of work and school. It wasn't a rule, but when a black guy on his first day of work came in, he went straight to the table with other black folks.

Same for white people. They went straight to the tables with white people.

What happened to me in jail was it was my first day, I got to the table first, then it filled half way up with brothers, and they told me to get the fuck up, to go sit with "my" people.
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you see that crap all the time...whites, women, hispanics, Hindi
''s et also, but their socio-economic-cultural drawers aren't as externally distinctive....
 
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