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Flaming Pie
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Go crawl under a rock BnB. Or back to your boys club.
I wasn't attempting to be snide, just pointing out how arrogant your position is. You assuming I have a different opinion must only be because I am devoid of proper perspective or knowledge.
I'm well aware of Nubia and it's history, and Ethiopia. There is only one problem there. You said they flourished under Egyptian political dominance, they were not self governing.
South Africa, in modern times, was greatly prosperous when there was non-native peoples in positions of power deciding how things were to be done. Has the country declined or not over the past couple decades?
You say Africa was "nice and pastoral" as if everything was just a steady, peaceful, Utopian exisstance. Bullshit. The history of Africa is a history of small clan warfare. People are not gazelles who live simply to walk through the savanna, graze on grass, and dodge crocodiles and lions.
We, by nature, form societies, develop technology, and strive to improve our condition. Are you are saying that is missing in the African population?
Well here is what Wikipedia says about your Kerma - "When Kerma was first investigated, in the 1920s, George Reisner believed that it was originally the base - a fort - of an Egyptian governor and that these Egyptian rulers evolved into the independent monarchs of Kerma." .....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kerma
So again, non nubians leading nubians to success...
As to Kush "Mentuhotep II (21st century BC founder of the Middle Kingdom) is recorded to have undertaken campaigns against Kush in the 29th and 31st years of his reign. This is the earliest Egyptian reference to Kush; the Nubian region had gone by other names in the Old Kingdom.[SUP][6][/SUP]During the New Kingdom of Egypt, Nubia (Kush) was an Egyptian colony, from the 16th century BC governed by an EgyptianViceroy of Kush. With the disintegration of the New Kingdom around 1070 BC, Kush became an independent kingdom centered at Napata in modern central Sudan.[SUP][7]" .....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush
Furthermore, from reading wikipedia, it was an opportunistic assault for them to capture Egypt. Arabs, from Lybia, and Egypt had been at war, as had Egypt and people in the near east. Egypt was fighting a war on two fronts, and Kush revolted and came from the south. Then it was a disaster because it only resulted in the Assyrians making Egypt a vassal.
Besides, Kush was culturally Egyptian for the most part.
[/SUP][SUP]Neither of these help your cause.[/SUP][SUP]
I never said black people were so stupid they couldnt hardly breath. I said, and history has shown, they cannot effect productive self governance.
Your ancient Africa was a place of tribal villages that were at a constant state of war. It wasn't Eden.
In the mean time, Ive been searching google for prosperous black nations. All I am finding are excuses, that are just as applicable to sout east asia and latin america. Latin America was colonized by midevial europeans, at least Africa was after the age of enlightenment for crying out loud. Yet most LATIN america is doing fine. Africa is still fucked.[/SUP]
THE WHITE MAN HAS BEEN FUCKING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST 500 YEARS, AFRICANS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CANT OVERCOME IT.
Get a clue.
Yet the native peoples of the Americas were light years ahead of the Africans. They had written language, agriculture to support very large urban centers, their astronomy was second to none.
Where is the African Mayan, Incan, or even Aztec culture?
BarnBuster
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[FONT="]The first Zulu assault was directed towards the rear of the hospital, a mass of warriors from the iNdluyengwe loped towards the building, Trooper Lugg of the Natal Mounted Police recounted, "I had the satisfaction of seeing the first man I fired at roll over at 350, and then my nerves were as steady as a rock..." he continued, "...There was some of the best shooting at 450 yards that I have ever seen."[/FONT]....A tally was taken of the ammunition; it revealed that out of a store of some 20,000 rounds only nine hundred were left.
thump easy
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im right hear gee aztec culture is inside me.. gee people landed hear and im still tripping out on all the lines and all the debating going on in my back yard.. its very acward to tell you the tuth!!![video=youtube_share;wsMGICONtb8]http://youtu.be/wsMGICONtb8[/video]
Would that be in book form somewhere ?
I'd like to read the back story.
BustinScales510
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Light years? Thats a bit generous, their agriculture was rudimentary at best and crucially dependent on favorable weather, which fortunately their was plenty of..plus they started with indigenous proto crops like corn and potatoes.And while they didnt have domesticated animals like pigs, chickens or cows which the europeans and asians did, they had llamas which is better than nothing I guess. (Sub saharan africa had no domesticable mega fauna) They made no use of advanced tools or the wheel and didnt expand much beyond their origins. I would say their slight advantages in civilization were due to their slightly better box of gear they started with,not because they werent black.
Doer
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No doubt about it. It is simply a matter of perspective, Or one could say, the vicious planet rape of the crazy pale monkeys rolls on....according to how one looks at it.
Let us say, the Swambadarkeo our magnificent ebony, Space Alien Overlords, were to show up, in New York City with paralysis Slave rays. They are intent on enslaving and raping only the Whites of a certain shade with a cut off. They bring invincibility with superior fire power and devastating tactics. Would the Red and Yellow, Black and....help us out? Would we all be rushing for the walnut stain and hair curling, corn rows, fake IDs? ..... I would.
So, all should just think... there you are, minding you own business and you get caught up by gun powder or Slave rays. It changes your life. You have been subrogated and plowed under. It changes all future generations. They have a new and nothing past. All Cow Cranes have to wear the patch. All of the Cranes' Cows, have to submit to advanced alien testing to prove how inferior they are... But, me?
Who me?...nah sur, I'm jst over here, bein' brown...that's right, yep. Ther' some cranes over ther, boss. Look over ther'.
When you are white you can be as dark as you want, but if you are dark you can't go light. Just a simple trick of snow and ice, and we have these arrogant Cow Crane overlords.
To me it all boils down to the Zulu - Viking question. What if?
Dude, they built friggin pyramids as big as the great pyramid in Egypt.
They made a calendar as accurate as the one we use today.
They did not develop metal working, but neither did Africa, and their stone working was much better.
There is nothing I am aware of in black Africa that rivals, or even exists, that is anything like Machu Pichu, or Chichen Itza.
Africa was left alone by the world until the 1600's, and they never accomplished a fucking thing in Africa. And it is the worlds fault they never accomplished a fucking thing?
The Americas, South East Asia, and Africa were all largely colonized by the Europeans. While there the Europeans introduced them to sciences, built infrastructure, and generally developed the land, and offered a (one way) cultural exchange.
Then, after WW2, Europe couldn't afford its Empire. India and Pakistan are both doing OK, particularly India. Fucking Asia is rocking, they took what Europe left behind and went with it. Why is Africa different?
Did you know the average IQ of blacks in Africa is 70? Average Jewish is 112, Most Asians 108, European whites is 100, African Americans is mid 80s.
But 70 for the people native to Africa who are still there. That is almost officially retarded, and since it is the average it means half the people are below it!
I know a pastor of a church here locally, said God called him to go dig wells in Africa. Had one of the best well digging machines imported to Angola where he traveled around digging wells for the locals there and Botswana.
You know what happened, they started shitting in the wells. Pretty much every where he went, he went back by a week or two later, they were all sick, because they were drinking out of the shit hole.
TheGreenHornet
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that is hilarious. about shitting in the wells.. wow.
"guns, germs, and steel" is a terribly boring read, but one of the most intellectually satisfying books i have ever read.
i found the part on elimination of natural selection particularly appealing.
"guns, germs, and steel" is a terribly boring read, but one of the most intellectually satisfying books i have ever read.
i found the part on elimination of natural selection particularly appealing.
BustinScales510
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Your oft repeated shitting in the well anecdote is a total trump card, I cant follow it.
JohnnySocko
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I've said this SEVERAL times but you put it best...
and never mind you can't domesticate shit in Africa other than a Eland or guinea fowl....
JohnnySocko
Active Member
This statement twist logic and ignores the obvious that its hilarious...
hell yes any people can prosper with a built in cheap labor force and artificial oppression based on simple skin color as opposed to ability...
Apartheid ends and in 10yrs the blacks should equal the whites that have accumulated wealth for 200yrs...
JohnnySocko
Active Member
edit (RIU is fckd right now)
there is some truth in your statements
Kenya is a better example of a better government transition, not ideal but better
BNB I'm not being snarky here: you seem well read, but the material is narrow, for if it were broader your views would not be as narrow...I say that in all sincerity
there is some truth in your statements
Kenya is a better example of a better government transition, not ideal but better
BNB I'm not being snarky here: you seem well read, but the material is narrow, for if it were broader your views would not be as narrow...I say that in all sincerity
Give me some broader reading assignments then.
Unlike a lot of people, I like to, and usually seek out material that challenges my beliefs, opinions, or ideas.
I've read Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel" and it makes perfect sense for small isolated populations living in the Pacific islands.
It does not make sense for a large robust populations living in a rich continent.
Someone once made the statement that Africa wasn't on the way with the trade routs from China. Well neither was Europe. The trade routs ran from China to the ancient near east. From Anatolia to Egypt, to include Mesopotamia and the Levant.
This is why Europe was a back water after the fall of the western empire. Then the west had a thousand years of setbacks, about as soon as they were getting on their feet with Charlemaign, here came the Vikings. Then the black death. Luckily for Europe, about when it was getting to overrun by Islam, here came the Mongols. They crippled the caliphate, but brought the plague with them.
See, the west, the mid east, and even china has had their share of set backs, but they rebuild and progress.
JohnnySocko
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^what scares me the most is you are very likely pretty bright (I don't mean it sarcastically either, anyone with such decent comprehension and verbalization can't be dumb)
but ponder this: saying another people who have historically been F'cked for hundreds of years (in EVERY conceivable way possible), heave been held down until like 30yrs ago and then place their current lack of achievement squarely on genetics is VERY convenient
...I mean hell in one fell swoop you abdicate yourself of blame for the last 300yrs, and at the same time render any future corrections pointless since blacks are going to be dumb fucking failures anyway....
what a nice package!
I've never said Nazis and other supremacist were stupid, just genetically lucky to be born conveniently white..
but ponder this: saying another people who have historically been F'cked for hundreds of years (in EVERY conceivable way possible), heave been held down until like 30yrs ago and then place their current lack of achievement squarely on genetics is VERY convenient
...I mean hell in one fell swoop you abdicate yourself of blame for the last 300yrs, and at the same time render any future corrections pointless since blacks are going to be dumb fucking failures anyway....
what a nice package!
I've never said Nazis and other supremacist were stupid, just genetically lucky to be born conveniently white..
welcome to the mind of whitey rightie racist.
well I suppose it is a "chicken and the egg argument" isn't it?
Are they fucked up because they have been exploited?
Or
Have they been exploited because they are fucked up?
It is a piss poor comparison, but I know several people who have achieved success, something happenes and they lose everything, but the buckle down and rebuild, some people have become rich more than once, or twice.
I just feel if it weren't the case, somewhere, at some point there would be a "Black Atlantis." an example somewhere when blacks had a society, they were self governing, that achieved some level of succees for a protracted period of time.
I have a hard time believing that their oppression has been so complete and total that it has prevented even one success story in their history.
My point is that they are capable of being led, but incapable of self governance. If you put someone else in charge you can have a successful black society, but if/when they become self governing, it all falls apart.
South Africa is but the most recent example.
And the same tired old excuses are being trumpeted.
JohnnySocko
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Unlike the hopelessly commie PBN types that sometimes frequent these parts, I'll bow to an argument I've had myself...
and in fact I make no apologies we had guns and the Indians didn't
...I'll also try not to digress this debate into personal attacks, but a LOT of western success had to do with access to eastern and in some cases African ideas..... but a lot of it had to do with the jungle Fowl, aurochs, tarpan and wild boar....and no, those ARE NOT small factors either.....
Here is a analogy: S.America was isolated for millions of years, its animal life evolved in many ways similar to Austrailia...when Panama rose out of the ocean and the great interchange took place, those animals that had been exposed to the larger/more competitive N.American Euracsian evolutionary pressures totally knocked off almost all of the S.American mammals in geologically short order...
I'm not saying Africans were less biologically evolved, I'm saying native peoples societies, inventions and cultures were less evolved due to isolation....Eurasia is a bigger land mass: more people, more diversity, better cultures & ideas (the Guns, Steel, Germs thing)
the evolution superiority argument is void if for no other reason than time
and Black Atlantis is BS, Songhai, Kush and Timbuktu were not....