Mass Murder by Blade, you Vast Idiots

[Doer]

The point was to show how any argument can be said to be a 'slippery slope' using a reduction to absurdity fallacy.

E.g., requiring people to store firearms safely is the first step to confiscation.

It's absurd.

Not store brain dead. To Keep at ready and to bring to Bear without your stupidity to interrupt me

 

[Pinworm]

Not store brain dead. To Keep at ready and to bring to Bear without your stupidity to interrupt me

*liked* because Bear has a capital letter. Subliminal flirtation. ;P

 

[Pinworm]

I really shouldn't but, I apologize for that last shitty outburst. I'm having a real fucked up day - my bf just found out his dad got shot. He's in the hospital. I'm freaked. i'm not even sure how to be there for him. I'm socially retarted. I feel like I should be more *hugs and shit* but I don't know how.....ugh.....shit......

 

[SahTiva]

 

[Pinworm]

Feelings are dumb. Stop posting. Roger that.

 

[bigworm6969]

ro ro ro roger that, that a big 10 4 there rubber ducky out

 

[Beefbisquit]

Not store brain dead. To Keep at ready and to bring to Bear without your stupidity to interrupt me

I never once suggested anything be used that would prevent a firearm being readied when needed.

"Let's eat, Grandpa"

"Lets eat Grandpa"

 

[Pinworm]

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That's a big 10/4 there bigworm, this is the Parasite, here in the pyschobilly cadillac, come on? And negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there, you might say I went right up to the factory and picked it up, it's cheaper that way

 

[Doer]

I never once suggested anything be used that would prevent a firearm being readied when needed.

"Let's eat, Grandpa"

"Lets eat Grandpa"

No but you just jacked the discussion to swerve it to your bs,as usual.

So, what is it? Gun locks or not. Storage is the red-herring, stinking on the table, that you brought it, many posts back. It is the bait and switch of the slippery slope. And now you simply contradict yourself in your silly, right fight.

 

[Beefbisquit]

No but you just jacked the discussion to swerve it to your bs,as usual.

So, what is it? Gun locks or not. Storage is the red-herring, stinking on the table, that you brought it, many posts back. It is the bait and switch of the slippery slope. And now you simply contradict yourself in your silly, right fight.

We're talking guns and gun safety there, Turbo.

Depends what you mean by a gun lock. Do you mean safes? Trigger locks? Bolt locks? Are you talking about when you're at home or away? When you've got it on the table in case someone breaks in, or is it on the table when no one is home?

I'm not for or against gun locks, it's situation specific. I do think all gun owners should have some type of safe place to store firearms when they're left unattended. A place, that at the bare minimum deters theft and misuse of the firearm when a 'responsible' gun owner isn't home. 90% of thefts occur when no one is home...

 

[Pinworm]

Depends

..............

 

[NoDrama]

I do think all gun owners should have some type of safe place to store firearms when they're left unattended.

Me too, its called "My House." I figure if its good enough for 99% of my belongings, my children, my pets and those are REALLY REALLY REALLY valuable, but we depend on the home for our protection, but you don't think that's enough?

It is illegal for people to break into your home without permission is it not?

Now, for clarification I have a alarm system, a gun vault and a dog. That is the responsible way to do it, but not everyone can afford that and so a Home is a man's castle.

For some reason, laws do not really prohibit crimes from happening. Making a law about safe storage will only make things worse, not better.

Tragedies happen everyday no matter what laws there are, they are inevitable as the the sun rising each day.

Why do we try to legislate morality? It never works, has only negative secondary results. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

 

[thecannacove]

I don't agree with gun bans either. They leave people defenseless against criminals.

So do gun safes.

I was only advocating proper storage of firearms, in a response to the 'fingerprint/retina' scanner suggestion. No need to fancy, schmancy gizmos when being a decent human being is the answer.

This we can agree on

Only idiots have problems with either a) making their firearm inoperable when they aren't using it, or keeping it ready for self-defense or b) using a trigger guard, or gun safe, lock box, etc. when they aren't using it, or keeping it ready for self-defense.

If I'm reading this correctly, you acknowledge that a gun with a trigger lock or in a lock box is not a firearm that's ready for self defense. If that is true I applaud you and have only one further area a of debate... the idiots...

Uneducated and undisciplined gun owners are the problem - the idiots as you say. Unfortunately, you can't regulate stupidity or ignorance, you can only educate. This is why the political debate surrounding firearms is so damn frustrating to me. Instead of trying to address the real problem (undisciplined and uneducated gun owners), some people go after the firearms or ammunition. The logic is flawed. Although censored and often littered with propaganda, our academic system is "supported" somewhat by our government. I would argue that firearms are an equally important area of education.

Regardless of past, present, and future legislation, guns will be around until the end of time (legally or illegally). Criminals don't own registered firearms (not registered to themselves anyway), so the only regulation possible is the "white market" so to speak. Disarm the law abiding citizens while criminals still hold onto their illegal firearms? Gee that sounds like a much more appropriate approach to the problem...

Isn't DC a 'gun free zone'?

Kinda proves my point that banning a firearm has an inverse affect on gun violence, no?

EDIT: If criminals can't get access to guns, either via stopping illegal firearms from being smuggled in, or stopping them from being stolen, it's going to make their lives harder, without infringing on anyone ability to protect themselves.

Hmm, and how do you suppose we're doing on this front? Our government has SUPPLIED criminals with illegal firearms... So the keyword here is IF.. criminals can't get access.... We can't regulate immigration properly in the U.S., what makes you think we can stop firearm trafficking?

 

[Pinworm]

Damn canna, ferkingowningit. Gettem, mang.

 

[kelly4]

Me too, its called "My House." I figure if its good enough for 99% of my belongings, my children, my pets and those are REALLY REALLY REALLY valuable, but we depend on the home for our protection, but you don't think that's enough?

It is illegal for people to break into your home without permission is it not?

Now, for clarification I have a alarm system, a gun vault and a dog. That is the responsible way to do it, but not everyone can afford that and so a Home is a man's castle.

For some reason, laws do not really prohibit crimes from happening. Making a law about safe storage will only make things worse, not better.

Tragedies happen everyday no matter what laws there are, they are inevitable as the the sun rising each day.

Why do we try to legislate morality? It never works, has only negative secondary results. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

We should also have to lock up our knives. Speaking of crazy things, why has UB stayed away from this thread. Didn't UB say this kind of blade slaying was impossible? Yet, no peep from him.































UB, Are you still alive? Just say something...anything.

 

[thecannacove]

The point was to show how any argument can be said to be a 'slippery slope' using a reduction to absurdity fallacy.

E.g., requiring people to store firearms safely is the first step to confiscation.

It's absurd.

Agreed, but so is a requirement on how I store my firearm. "Safe" is subjective

 

[thecannacove]

Me too, its called "My House." I figure if its good enough for 99% of my belongings, my children, my pets and those are REALLY REALLY REALLY valuable, but we depend on the home for our protection, but you don't think that's enough?

It is illegal for people to break into your home without permission is it not?

Now, for clarification I have a alarm system, a gun vault and a dog. That is the responsible way to do it, but not everyone can afford that and so a Home is a man's castle.

For some reason, laws do not really prohibit crimes from happening. Making a law about safe storage will only make things worse, not better.

Tragedies happen everyday no matter what laws there are, they are inevitable as the the sun rising each day.

Why do we try to legislate morality? It never works, has only negative secondary results. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

Agreed, more laws do not always prevent crimes, they create criminals.

 

[thecannacove]

Damn canna, ferkingowningit. Gettem, mang.

Lol, I'm not really trying to get anyone. I just think everyone has a capacity for greater knowledge (myself included). I appreciate everyone's participation in a conversation such as this. Topics such as these deserve attention in society.

 

[Beefbisquit]

So do gun safes.

This we can agree on

If I'm reading this correctly, you acknowledge that a gun with a trigger lock or in a lock box is not a firearm that's ready for self defense. If that is true I applaud you and have only one further area a of debate... the idiots...

Totally. If you're in bed, or at your favorite chair watching Jeopardy eating Cheese pops, have your weapon ready if you so desire. That's what it's for.

Uneducated and undisciplined gun owners are the problem - the idiots as you say. Unfortunately, you can't regulate stupidity or ignorance, you can only educate. This is why the political debate surrounding firearms is so damn frustrating to me. Instead of trying to address the real problem (undisciplined and uneducated gun owners), some people go after the firearms or ammunition. The logic is flawed. Although censored and often littered with propaganda, our academic system is "supported" somewhat by our government. I would argue that firearms are an equally important area of education.

I agree, gun education is very important. Especially if the stereotypes are ever going to stop.

Regardless of past, present, and future legislation, guns will be around until the end of time (legally or illegally). Criminals don't own registered firearms (not registered to themselves anyway), so the only regulation possible is the "white market" so to speak. Disarm the law abiding citizens while criminals still hold onto their illegal firearms? Gee that sounds like a much more appropriate approach to the problem...

That was my point exactly. Criminals don't use their own weapons, they use yours. 90% of break-ins occur when people aren't home, so doesn't it make sense to lock your gun up when you're not home? It does if you care about the ease of access criminals have to firearms, and your belongings.

Kinda proves my point that banning a firearm has an inverse affect on gun violence, no?

Never disagreed. Gun free zones are a joke, you might as well pull down your pants, grease up, and bite some leather. There is a moderate stance, one I think I'm attempting to convey. People on the far right and left are going to throw shit fits.Far righties don't want to listen to anyone, and don't give a fuck about what happens past their front door, and far lefties are ball-less, perpetual cry-babies that always want to 'fee' safe.

Meh.

Hmm, and how do you suppose we're doing on this front? Our government has SUPPLIED criminals with illegal firearms... So the keyword here is IF.. criminals can't get access.... We can't regulate immigration properly in the U.S., what makes you think we can stop firearm trafficking?

You can start with every Joe Blow American citizen making their homes safer, and more responsible by following safe gun handling practices by using things like trigger locks, safes, lock boxes for your bolt when your firearm isn't in use, or ready to be used in case of emergency. Wouldn't it be awesome if people voluntarily made smart decisions?

 

[thecannacove]

We should also have to lock up our knives. Speaking of crazy things, why has UB stayed away from this thread. Didn't UB say this kind of blade slaying was impossible? Yet, no peep from him.

UB, Are you still alive? Just say something...anything.

He has just not much

so do locks and alarms.

the upside is that locks and alarms are not more likely to kill you or a loved one rather than an intruder, like a gun is.