looking for "bleu magic" butane!! help!
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Sirdabsalot462
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@Dan K
I just wanted to thank you for all the knowledge you've shared with us across the intra-webz.
Believe it or not, I've followed your posts for last 2 years or so from here and TC.
You are Dan K on TC yes?
Thank you sir!
I just wanted to thank you for all the knowledge you've shared with us across the intra-webz.
Believe it or not, I've followed your posts for last 2 years or so from here and TC.
You are Dan K on TC yes?
Thank you sir!
Sirdabsalot462
Well-Known Member
Also.....
Please help with this one..
Lucienne vs Newport
I can get a case of Lucienne for about 45$
Newport costs me 5 flat per can, haven't found a case source yet.
What are your thoughts on the new 14 x filtered not refined Vector?
Is it worth 70$ ish for a case?
Thanks in advance.
Please help with this one..
Lucienne vs Newport
I can get a case of Lucienne for about 45$
Newport costs me 5 flat per can, haven't found a case source yet.
What are your thoughts on the new 14 x filtered not refined Vector?
Is it worth 70$ ish for a case?
Thanks in advance.
Dan Kone
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I've actually never used Lucienne. I've heard lots of good things but I can not really comment since I don't have personal experience.
7x, 9x, 14x, etc it's all bullshit. That only effects lighters. For the purpose of making extracts it doesn't matter. Higher refines should get you a more even and consistent flame in lighters. What matters is the actual mixture they use. Generally these new higher end cans are using better gas mixtures, taking out things like hexane and pentane and going for more of a pure butane mix usually with a little propane as a propellant.
Since I haven't used and gotten tests on this new vector I can't really say if it's better or not.
Sirdabsalot462
Well-Known Member
Thanks man..
I knew the multipliers were a bunch of nonsense, just wondering if Vector actually geared this for extraction purposes as opposed to being simply” lighter fluid”
Lucienne is probably my favorite of the Non high end cans.
It carries the ” Near Zero Impurities” label for about 3.75$ per can.
U.K Product.
Mystery oil content is on the lower end of the charts.
Try it bro!!
300 ml empties in about 60 ish seconds.
I knew the multipliers were a bunch of nonsense, just wondering if Vector actually geared this for extraction purposes as opposed to being simply” lighter fluid”
Lucienne is probably my favorite of the Non high end cans.
It carries the ” Near Zero Impurities” label for about 3.75$ per can.
U.K Product.
Mystery oil content is on the lower end of the charts.
Try it bro!!
300 ml empties in about 60 ish seconds.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
It might be. Usually when can makers put out a premium version it does tend to be a better mixture, I've just never tried this one.
Impurities are only part of it. Lots of cans have low impurities but are still bad can mixtures. However if it's working good for you, then go with it. You can't really know what's in the can until you make an extract with it and get it screened for residuals.
Then it definitely has propane in it. The cans that empty in 60 seconds generally are about 10% propane. It's really obvious when a can doesn't have propane in it. It's incredibly hard to empty the full can.
SnapsProvolone
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I personally switched to Newport after using many other options. Is it better? I dunno, but glass test passes and price was right.
Dan Kone
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If you're making shatter it's very important to use a product with as much N as possible. Avoid anything with hexane/pentane. Shatter is more sensitive and top quality shatter generally will come out with higher ppms of solvent in it. It's very difficult to get top end shatter to pass RST's. I highly recommend newport for this.
Wax is a more forgiving product to make. Stirring it actually does help release gas faster. It's easy to make bad shatter that passes rst's than good shatter that will.
Because of that I think something like newport or cloud is a must.
midnitetoak
Active Member
Are you making that elusive bleu BHO everyone is killing each other in the streets for?
SnapsProvolone
Well-Known Member
As opposed to isobutane? N merely differentiates between the normal butane and the isomer form isobutane.
Sirdabsalot462
Well-Known Member
^^^
Fuct up shit.
I can't hardly believe the path Vector as an entity has chosen.
A couple years back when I first began my journey into BHO, Vector was tits...
Most everybody's favorite solvent.
Disturbing is the fact that Vector is such a Mega-power player in the Butane canning industry, I would of thought that they would produce the best butane for our specific intentions.
The fact that it's the same bullshit in a different can with a bigger price-point is straight unethical.
I vow to boycott this product.
Thank you for sharing Twitch.
Dan Kone
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Correct. IMO N tends to give a more stiff and dry final product. Iso tends to let in more moisture. Not a scientific fact, just my observations.
SnapsProvolone
Well-Known Member
I was completely unaware that lighter fuel contained any significant amount of I-butane.
Dan Kone
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Most do. Very few don't.
SnapsProvolone
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info! Did some digging and apparantly in addition to isobutane there is also propane in lighter fuels.
http://medicalmarijuana.com/experts/expert/title.cfm?artID=70
SnapsProvolone
Well-Known Member
Why would you say the isobutane is better than n-butane?
Isn't isobutane much harder to purge?
qwizoking
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I would choose iso(butane) over n for a variety of reasons..
"........ hydrocarbons with straight chain molecular structures,.. these types of reaction steps are a major part of the mechanism.. for those with branched structures there are more attractive alternatives that suppress the last step shown(which was ..reactive free radicals build up leading to self sustaining reaction) for example, a rearrangement reaction to an alcohol plus a ketone.
It is ironic... branched chain molecular structures proceed via simple radical chain mechanisms, while straight chain molecular structures react via branched chain combustion mechanisms, which can get quite explosive and unstable.
autoignition thus occurs at a quite low temperature for a hydrocarbon with a straight chain molecular structure, but a much higher temperature will be needed to produce a self-sustaining reaction in its isomer with a branched chain molecular structure...... The autoignition temp of n-butane(straight chain) is 288 degree Celcius while that of isobutane(branched chain) is 460 degree Celcius................ . The intermolecular interactions of isobutane are weaker than those of n-butane because it's a compact molecule and doesn't stack as neatly with itself. This makes it more volatile..easier to purge, a boiling point about 20 degrees lower and gives it a higher vapor pressure....remember that imfs are what create polarity as well and is why hexane is superior, to butane ...iso butane is less polar than n butane and will produce a cleaner extraction......its quite literally better in every way "
"........ hydrocarbons with straight chain molecular structures,.. these types of reaction steps are a major part of the mechanism.. for those with branched structures there are more attractive alternatives that suppress the last step shown(which was ..reactive free radicals build up leading to self sustaining reaction) for example, a rearrangement reaction to an alcohol plus a ketone.
It is ironic... branched chain molecular structures proceed via simple radical chain mechanisms, while straight chain molecular structures react via branched chain combustion mechanisms, which can get quite explosive and unstable.
autoignition thus occurs at a quite low temperature for a hydrocarbon with a straight chain molecular structure, but a much higher temperature will be needed to produce a self-sustaining reaction in its isomer with a branched chain molecular structure...... The autoignition temp of n-butane(straight chain) is 288 degree Celcius while that of isobutane(branched chain) is 460 degree Celcius................ . The intermolecular interactions of isobutane are weaker than those of n-butane because it's a compact molecule and doesn't stack as neatly with itself. This makes it more volatile..easier to purge, a boiling point about 20 degrees lower and gives it a higher vapor pressure....remember that imfs are what create polarity as well and is why hexane is superior, to butane ...iso butane is less polar than n butane and will produce a cleaner extraction......its quite literally better in every way "
jaysleeezy
New Member
Has anyone got a hold of this stuff, I want to compare results.