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You didn't build that

cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
canndo said:
I pride myself on my mastery of the official language of the United States - well, all except for the spelling part - too unpredictable for me to be a consistantly good speller. spellor, spealler, spellur.
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I pride myself on having Abby Someone thought processes. cn
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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canndo said:
No, that the infrastructure is paid for is not nearly the point. This is the concept of community and history. It is often said that soldiers gave their lives in order that our system and culture would survive, without those sacrifices the businessman would have no environment in which to build. Now, did that businessman buy those sacrifices? Is he paid up in full? To say nothing of all of the life sacrifices of all the others that made and make this country possible. There are no individual sucesses in this country and to claim there are is to be blind to the reality of the benefits of community and the blessings of what we have as a country.
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That is exactly the point when they attach a perceived need to increase taxation on these SPECIFIC people. Once you start demanding monetary compensation for that "environment", how much they already pay is very relevant.

No one is denying that business owners enjoy the freedom and infrastructure that our ancestors died to protect and strived to build. However, we ALL enjoy those benefits, equally. Just because someone is smarter, faster, more talented or simply a harder worker and more focused individual and creates a successful business, doesn't mean they should be singled out as owing the rest of us MORE. How do you know that business owners family didn't have three times as many family members give their lives in the service of this country?

If you're going to start monetizing the debt of sacrifice, you better have accurate accounting of who did and didn't already give at the office.

Otherwise, you're just advocating Marxism and we don't play that bullshit here.
 
canndo

canndo

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MuyLocoNC said:
That is exactly the point when they attach a perceived need to increase taxation on these SPECIFIC people. Once you start demanding monetary compensation for that "environment", how much they already pay is very relevant.

No one is denying that business owners enjoy the freedom and infrastructure that our ancestors died to protect and strived to build. However, we ALL enjoy those benefits, equally. Just because someone is smarter, faster, more talented or simply a harder worker and more focused individual and creates a successful business, doesn't mean they should be singled out as owing the rest of us MORE. How do you know that business owners family didn't have three times as many family members give their lives in the service of this country?

If you're going to start monetizing the debt of sacrifice, you better have accurate accounting of who did and didn't already give at the office.

Otherwise, you're just advocating Marxism and we don't play that bullshit here.
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A businessman uses more of that which is available to all than someone who just goes to work every day. A rich person has a heavier reliance on all of the things that he uses in order to be rich. He is rich in part because he is in an environment that allows him to be rich - that environment costs us all. .


What you are saying is that the guy at the luxury hotel who lives at the top floor, gets the spectacular view, has valet service, security, conseierge, room service and all the rest should pay no more for his stay at the hotel than the guy who got his room through Hotels.com.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
Saying taxation is theft is like saying that your having to pay for a your stay at a resort hotel is theft. Government isn't "bad" any more than religion is "bad". Women are liable to have fewer rights than men. Homosexuality is rarely if ever a "choice" any more than heterosexuality is a choice. I can't recall the day I decided to like women and I like them very much. How about you? when did you make that choice and how did you do it? But never mind all of that for a moment - my point was that the whining and the bleating and the moaning comes primarily from the right - they blame the fact that they don't have a job on Obama but preach personal responsibility. They crab about their taxes when their taxes have never been lower, they complain about government take over but are constantly willing to ceede their personal rights to the government, they say they don't trust their government but when there government says "these people are terrorists" and "these people are criminals" they nod their heads and agree.
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Concerning taxation and hotels. I can choose if I stay at a hotel and if I do which one, taxation involves no real choices, only threats for noncompliance. There is a HUGE difference.

Concerning homosexuality. I should have defined my position better. When I said homosexuality is a personal choice, I wasn't referring to biology, I meant it's nobodies business what or with whom consenting partners engage in sexual activity. I think we agree that biology may be a factor in regards to whether a person is a homosexual. I'm not "anti-gay" .

I'm not "from the right" politically speaking either.

Concerning terrorists. The biggest terrorists are those seeking control over others lives. I.E. government and those that want to use government to make others do or pay for their wonderful ideas. I believe in leaving people alone and being a good neighbor...voluntarily.
 
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beenthere

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canndo said:
A businessman uses more of that which is available to all than someone who just goes to work every day. A rich person has a heavier reliance on all of the things that he uses in order to be rich. He is rich in part because he is in an environment that allows him to be rich - that environment costs us all. .


What you are saying is that the guy at the luxury hotel who lives at the top floor, gets the spectacular view, has valet service, security, conseierge, room service and all the rest should pay no more for his stay at the hotel than the guy who got his room through Hotels.com.
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I believe you have this backwards, you are saying that the average Joe getting his room at Hotels.com should get the same benefits as the guy who paid a large sum for the top floor, who gets the spectacular view and has valet service, all be the means of the federal government mandating it.
 
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NoDrama

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londonfog said:
No man is an island and no man stands alone
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How does it feel to know that your two laundromats don't belong to you, and you did nothing to make them what they are? Someone else built them, you sat on your lazy ass and took peoples money.
 
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KillCaustic

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Rob Roy said:
I suppose BY continuing a war(s) of aggression throughout the middle east and being the figurehead of the U.S. empire he's never killed / tortured children ? Hmm....collateral damage?


See while he may personally not have dropped the bombs or shot the kids he's involved isn't he? Every person that seeks others to kill or steal on their behalf has some responsibility. The problem with government aggression is it layers the acts in so much bullshit everybody can claim "just doing my job" or "following orders" in their attempt to escape any responsibility... or try to.

Obama is no different than any of the power hungry dick wads that came before him or that will follow him. Sure he's good at pretending to be a nice guy, but he's a first class hypocrite.

Can you say "choom gang" ? I can. Anybody that consumes cannabis and still defends this hypocrite needs to do a little thinking. Obama wants to put you in jail for something he did plenty of. He bombs women and children all the while smiling like he's everyone's buddy. ...Fuck him, fuck his bro' Romney too.
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Great post. 8-)
 
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