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injinji

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If Nukes are only to be used when a countries on its knees isn't it then better to not use them? They are meant to be used as a deterrent (That's what the nuclear armed countries have always said). If a country is on its knees then the deterrent hasn't worked. Why kill, maime and desecrate more, cause more harm?
Yes, it's better not to use nukes. Just to clarify, the country on it's knees will be the one to use the nukes. They would be neck deep in dead by that point.

The nuclear club is still small, but it's working as a deterrent. Have you seen anyone invade NK or Israel? And you know there are countries just dying to.
 

zeddd

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Big question, no easy answers. I am gratified Germany stepped up and stopped the pipeline.

As for the best balance of restraint and attack, you got me dead. I don’t know.
I’m in the same space hence the directness, forget the Cuban missile crisis or North Korea, Russia has just started ww3
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Nato as a whole wont. I don't think Germany will or can.
Germany is going strong again militarily, I believe I was reading about a recent policy change. The rest of NATO is fine with this too, France looks upon Germany as an EU partner and even Poland would like a back stop, WW2 was along time ago. They dumped nordstream2 and are continuing to pay for Russian gas for now, but if Vlad pulls the plug, it's game over right away and no money for Russia as the final sanctions close in.
 

hanimmal

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You should get out more.
Yes, we know China has been trying to influence our policies- its old news. We even have laws against interference. You or Hannibal said you guys don't- we have been over all this before, just a few days ago we were mentioning the port of Darwin.... Foreign powers involving and influencing other countries elections and policies has been going on sense day dot. America has been a huge portrayer around the world as we all know.

It would be lovely that instead of insulting and innuendo and flat out lies you stuck to the arguments at hand. but i have a feeling thats to hard for you. And thats OK. If thats you then im happy for you.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Putin's Next Move: 'It's Almost Like Unfinished Business From The Cold War.'

As Ukraine continues to face Russian attacks, Katy Tur spoke with Julia Ioffe, Founding Partner and Washington Correspondent of “Puck,” about President Vladimir Putin's plan for Ukraine, and what could come next, including a possible confrontation with the US.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Putin Crosses Line With Overt Nuclear Threat

Jon Wolfsthal, former director of nonproliferation for President Obama's National Security Council, talks with Rachel Maddow about Vladimir Putin's irresponsible nuclear threats, and why a stabilizing nuclear stalemate is not happening with Putin.
 

CCGNZ

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Putin Crosses Line With Overt Nuclear Threat

Jon Wolfsthal, former director of nonproliferation for President Obama's National Security Council, talks with Rachel Maddow about Vladimir Putin's irresponsible nuclear threats, and why a stabilizing nuclear stalemate is not happening with Putin.
I saw this interview,and this is the catch 22 we find ourselves in confronting Putin,Russian military doctrine includes the 1st use policy of nukes,they call it "escalate to de-escalate," meaning they expect defeat in a all out confrontation w/NATO. It's a well conceived strategy to make the West pause before engaging in any combat vs. Russia,who knows if it's bluff or not,but it certainly doesn't make anyone eager to face off w/Russia. This leaves 2 paths,call Putin and inflict a beat down on his conventional forces and see what goes down or choose not to confront Russia,these 2 choices I don't have a definitive answer for and that is the position the West is in concerning Russian aggression.
 

Kassiopeija

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This leaves 2 paths,call Putin and inflict a beat down on his conventional forces and see what goes down or choose not to confront Russia,these 2 choices I don't have a definitive answer for and that is the position the West is in
the Ukraines want to fight, supporting these may be an option. It's what Putin did for years now with the Separatists. The much I hate proxy-wars but if Russia overruns Kiew, I believe, his intention is to establish a pro-Russia political landscape which will make it very hard for the West to do much of anything to the people of Ukraine. Much alike Belarus situation...

Though it may be much too late for this now
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Notice how long it took the psychos who run Facebook to react to the Ukraine situation? Countries reacted quicker, but these amoral assholes didn't have a fucking clue about right and wrong. Too little too late Zuck.
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