World Of Hempy

steeliesteve said:

So, while being baked in the bath i did some web surfing. I stumbled onto a product that looks very interesting, Super Coco. Anyone ever heard of it or have any experience with it? It claims to carry plant from seed/clone thru flower with only water. Its really expensive but might be worth it to someone with just a couple plants. Heres the link, what do you guys/gal think?

http://www.nonutrientsrequired.com/

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Surfiing in the tub baked ehh SS? I never have surfed the net in the tub...when tub-toking I always seem to get stuck messing with all those little bubbles everywhere (LOL). Then there's analyzing water spots on the plumbing fixtures for calcium/lime buildup which I find amazing. Glad you brought this Super Coco link to WOH, you know I'm a coco-nut and this would be a fun departure from typical hydro nutes and maybe even up the taste of the buds. I don't know how it would work in the hempy bucket with all the organics in it but Watts here has pioneered soil cores within coco so it might just be a "go". I'd love to see an endorsement by Subcool on this one based on his "Super Soil" formula, so popular here on RIU. Nevertheless, I'll be watching this medium with enthusiasm.

Would be interesting to not have to mix up nutrients for the entire life cycle. I just wonder how do you tailor your different salt concentrations for different phases of growth? Do you just adjust pH up or down depending on what nutrients you want to be taken up?

Ive found myself using more and more soil with my hempies...always a perlite/rock wool/hydroton reservoir ...but this run is mostly soil up top. Seems to be a working combination for me. I don't need to even feed for the first few weeks and after that it doesn't seem to matter if I adjust pH as long as I'm in a normal range. Growth isn't as extreme as NFT but it's fast enough that I've no plans to set up active hydro. Hempy has to be the easiest route that is still quite effective.

Anyway..I'm starting to see which seedlings will make good moms. Some of the plants are huge but the internodes are just too far apart. A,few are forming up nice colas already though. I suppose I don't mind golf ball nugs if it's great smoke though. I'm feeding a more N rich mixture to these girls because they seem like they need a lot. Gonna try to keep em green until around week 7. I took 4 cuttings off of each seedling and at least 3 of each lived. Plus I took as many Blue dream cuts as I could off my old abused once flowered momma plant. If these damn male berry bombs would make some fucking pollen I'm going to make more seed and make some more berry/dream for the hell of it. If this berry bomb turns out well I will prob keep it and blue dream and pop a few runs out for excess ...I'm almost out of my last crop and I'm only on day 24 on this run...way too much slacking..oh well I'll have a solid 50 or so berry bomb and blue dream well into veg by the time this crop,comes down...blah blah blah..I smoked a big joint and took a Valium ..very chatty .

There was a thread here on RIU started by the creator of Super Coco, he listed all the ingredients to make it, and it was very close to the super soil recipe. But without any peat, and coco used instead. The other main difference was the Coco was made to be used straight out of the bag, where SS needs to be cut by around a 1/3 to almost 1/2. The mods here thought he was a little too commercial, and pulled the thread, even though he was offering free bags for testers. He set up on another forum but I can't remember where. I wish it was more concentrated so I could cut it with 30% perlite and run it in a hempy. I may give it a try over a perlite rez.

Shivaskunk said:

Would be interesting to not have to mix up nutrients for the entire life cycle. I just wonder how do you tailor your different salt concentrations for different phases of growth? Do you just adjust pH up or down depending on what nutrients you want to be taken up?

Ive found myself using more and more soil with my hempies...always a perlite/rock wool/hydroton reservoir ...but this run is mostly soil up top. Seems to be a working combination for me. I don't need to even feed for the first few weeks and after that it doesn't seem to matter if I adjust pH as long as I'm in a normal range. Growth isn't as extreme as NFT but it's fast enough that I've no plans to set up active hydro. Hempy has to be the easiest route that is still quite effective.

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I know it sound counter intuitive to involve soil in hempy's but I haven't found a drawback yet. Now Shiva if you want to take your current setup straight to ph adjusted water only, give CRF's a try, Here's my current at day 50 went with to my fav mix, Osmocote 14-14-14 with a little OC+ for the micros.

The Room

The Maui Wowie is in the lower left and is still real green, most likely because it's in a 3.5 gal bucket, and should have vegged it at least a wk more. Plus historically it a plant that just won't give up.

The Bay 11's showing fall colors, a lot of purple showing up this run, most likely due to the cooler temps I can maintain now. Warmest temp I've seen in the last couple of weeks. I pulled the glass off my hood and shut off the exhaust fans a few wks back.




You may have noticed the tip burn here and there. It comes from adding a PK boost, to help fatten the buds, it's not from the OC.

My hempys all have soil root balls, from the smaller pots
that were transplanted into them. Straight hempy filling
after that though.

I also used a soil cap for my buckets, as I applied nematodes.

JD

Very interesting that you guys would start talking about soil in a hempy... I wasn't going to tell anyone but that is what I just did.

I was going to do a small 2 gallon hempy bucket for my Lemon Kush that I was starting, but when I went to do it I couldn't get any Perlite! The Big Box Stores have stopped selling it around where I am. They are just not carrying it anymore. (Too many Pot Growers buying it???) SO I would have to do another soil grow.

I didn't really want to do soil though... Soooo, I took the small amount of vericulite I still have and the soil/perlite mix I had done and made a hempy out of it. I have 2.5" of vermiculite in the bottom with the soil/perlite mix as the body. I have no idea how this is going to work since I just did it, but I am hoping that it will be at least as good as a normal soil grow. I had started the seeds in vermiculite already so I figured what the hell. It will be interesting to see how the water flows through the whole thing.

I do have another proper setup but it is too big for me to use right now. I did a recirculating Hempy based on Flowamasta's design. It needs more space for height and growth though so it wasn't time to start using that.

I prefer to soil-cap my hempy and I can't say why, other than it helps contain the perlite if tipped

I tried an experiment with 6 hempy plants, with 3 soil capped and 3 normal but two of the non-soil capped became males, so the results were screwed

..... so I soiled capped the bucket at about 5 weeks old and it started growing like crazy...but that may have been just a coincidence

I soil capped my hempys, after seeing it on here (i believe it was you ISK!)

Anyway, it contains the perlite from being sent everywhere when dry tipped, or a fan oscillates over it.

I did develop gnats about 3 weeks after capping, but they are now gone after one feeding with gnatrol and yellow stickies...

I also notice this suction type of air flow that the soil cap creates, when i water, that I did not experience with straight perlite/verm.

Good point Fuck. :0)

With a soil cap I do not feel like I am pouring right through
the media when I water/feed.

Great stuff.

JD

FuckJeffGoldbloom said:

I soil capped my hempys, after seeing it on here (i believe it was you ISK!)

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thank you, but please we MUST give all credit to WattSaver for bringing the concept of soil capping into our WOH thread

A Gentleman and a Scholar! Very fair.

Nothing is really new, and appreciation goes to all who share.

JD

So if there are multiple people "Soil Capping" their Hempys, how thick are your caps? A couple of inches or are you going deeper than that?

mine are no more than an inch...maybe a bit less...2cm

BCJohn said:

So if there are multiple people "Soil Capping" their Hempys, how thick are your caps? A couple of inches or are you going deeper than that?

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I use a 2" cap on buckets 2gal and larger...... Less than an inch and it will just soak into the perlite.

But this is totally relative to YOUR conditions. What medium you start your plant in, what you what to achieve with the soil & the size of the container you are transplanting into to go through flower. The smaller the surface area the less soil you'll need to anchor the perlite. And if you start your seeds or clones in soil and drop em in a bucket then a thicker cap will perform much better. If you want to keep the float down then thin is fine, If you want to create hydraulics or a root layer in the soil, then it needs to be thicker.

What I'm trying to say is that soil is compatible in a passive hydro hempy, and can create advantages for you.

............ Just had another shot, and the work with vape oils is going well.............. I will not edit

Watt awesome girls....how did your hydro tower come out?

I figured I'd share what I had going on. Here's the last couple pics I snapped, I'm 6 weeks in and 17 days into flower.

I figured I'd throw a shot in from the first week.

Wow rubix nice job mate! That is a jack and the beanstalk trunk there! lol What size buckets/pails are those in?

Looking good keep it rolling!

FJG

She's getting some buds finally.
This is under a 150w hps.

BCJohn said:

Very interesting that you guys would start talking about soil in a hempy... I wasn't going to tell anyone but that is what I just did.

I was going to do a small 2 gallon hempy bucket for my Lemon Kush that I was starting, but when I went to do it I couldn't get any Perlite! The Big Box Stores have stopped selling it around where I am. They are just not carrying it anymore. (Too many Pot Growers buying it???) SO I would have to do another soil grow.

I didn't really want to do soil though... Soooo, I took the small amount of vericulite I still have and the soil/perlite mix I had done and made a hempy out of it. I have 2.5" of vermiculite in the bottom with the soil/perlite mix as the body. I have no idea how this is going to work since I just did it, but I am hoping that it will be at least as good as a normal soil grow. I had started the seeds in vermiculite already so I figured what the hell. It will be interesting to see how the water flows through the whole thing.

I do have another proper setup but it is too big for me to use right now. I did a recirculating Hempy based on Flowamasta's design. It needs more space for height and growth though so it wasn't time to start using that.

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Never tried vermiculite for the res but I'm gonna say they will grow just fine and a bit faster than your avg soil grow. You are somewhat mimicking nature with soil above and water table/reservoir below. With all the nice micro nutes that soil has and a nice reservoir for drinking you will see awesome results. I did a grow few months back with half all perlite and half soil with hydroton res...the soil plants actually yielded better.

This phenotype of Berry Bomb grows more stout with closer internodes so far...still tripled in height though in 12/12. It was slower growing veg and I had it jammed between two larger plants so it's not as round as it could be. It's stacking pre flowers much thicker and faster than most of them. Beginning to smell a bit maple syrup very interesting smell..maybe if you had some orange wedges on your plate at IHOP and got a bit of syrup on them...smells kind of like that.