Wisconsin Revolt
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Mike Young
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Don't you have some O'reily or Glen Beck to watch? Don't want you to run out of material. You can make post after post playing this shit off like it's all about lefty wanting something for nothing... You're part of the problem. Fucking accountant gonna tell everybody to trust him. You probably screw people out of money for a living, so I can see why this is a touchy subject for you.
Carne Seca
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Yes that really supports your argument and lends to your credibility.
UncleBuck
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based on my observation, he is simply throwing a temper tantrum because he was completely unable to support his assertion that public sector unions put the state of wisconsin in debt.
and now he is crying like a baby.
quit your crying, put on your man pants, and produce an argument. ya crybaby.
It is impossible to "fuck the corporations" . Any special taxes, fees, fines or levies will only be paid by the end consumer (You and me) in the form of higher prices. The only way things will improve is to get the government out of the business of businesses. Of course, they will just kick the can down the road for as long as possible, until the whole system comes crashing down. Then you can decide what should have been done.
You know he just fakes that shit for effect right?
Really? Are you sure you aren't the short bus rider yourself? I spent plenty of time in the Military, and got a month of vacation(Paid) every year. Every year.
MrDank007
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Guess noone has a sense of humor...or read the pigeon holing post towards me I was upping the ante on. I don't watch Glen Beck and there are several issues I side with dems on. Funny, how this is now the debate while most of the threadstoppers don't get addressed. It's all really for sport and I'll throw a bone to chew on every now and then. Mike, I could say you're part of the problem as well...and BTW I'm nooo accountant
I don't think I'm going to change your mind anymore than you are going to change mine...don't worry I'm not gonna cry...like that time I was cougar hunting and I was hitting on this chick only to realize that my sleeve was covering up my rolex the entire time. She almost thought I was poor and my hair almost fell out of place! (see joking)
The fucking the corporations is a classic stoner mantra I poke fun of that reminds me of drippy hippys at woodstock thinking they are going to change the world after that 5th spliff. The babyboomers that didn't make it never gave it up.
The bottom line: Runaway debt. It's affecting us on micro and macro levels for the same reasons and it's not because more revenue is needed. Saying buzzwords like greed, 1% whatever...ok I don't wholeheartedly dissagree, but it's not the failsafe answer for everything. Furthermore, you can't balance one with the other. We're talking about unions and someone starts hating on Exxon. What's not to hate? But that's not related...it's not going to have anything to do with a solution in this matter or most matters, but it's the classic runto. Well shit, that deal coulda pay down a lot of that. What is Exxon gonna cut them a check? It's silly. It's just spewing whatabouts that you don't like.
The problem is people vote with these fantasies and all that really happens is that the debt keeps going up. I will hate to see the day it all explodes and yall are pickin your nose saying maybe we shouldn'ta done dat. In this case, you can't say collective bargaining doesn't have anything do with it. But guess what? We can't get rid of dishonest politicians fast enough so both sides need to be cracked down on. Whatabouts are great, but sooner or later someone has to get realistic. The realistic approach is to make cuts and reform the way unions interact with the public sector so it doesn't happen again...and if they bandaid it somehow...you know it will.
I don't think I'm going to change your mind anymore than you are going to change mine...don't worry I'm not gonna cry...like that time I was cougar hunting and I was hitting on this chick only to realize that my sleeve was covering up my rolex the entire time. She almost thought I was poor and my hair almost fell out of place! (see joking)
The fucking the corporations is a classic stoner mantra I poke fun of that reminds me of drippy hippys at woodstock thinking they are going to change the world after that 5th spliff. The babyboomers that didn't make it never gave it up.
The bottom line: Runaway debt. It's affecting us on micro and macro levels for the same reasons and it's not because more revenue is needed. Saying buzzwords like greed, 1% whatever...ok I don't wholeheartedly dissagree, but it's not the failsafe answer for everything. Furthermore, you can't balance one with the other. We're talking about unions and someone starts hating on Exxon. What's not to hate? But that's not related...it's not going to have anything to do with a solution in this matter or most matters, but it's the classic runto. Well shit, that deal coulda pay down a lot of that. What is Exxon gonna cut them a check? It's silly. It's just spewing whatabouts that you don't like.
The problem is people vote with these fantasies and all that really happens is that the debt keeps going up. I will hate to see the day it all explodes and yall are pickin your nose saying maybe we shouldn'ta done dat. In this case, you can't say collective bargaining doesn't have anything do with it. But guess what? We can't get rid of dishonest politicians fast enough so both sides need to be cracked down on. Whatabouts are great, but sooner or later someone has to get realistic. The realistic approach is to make cuts and reform the way unions interact with the public sector so it doesn't happen again...and if they bandaid it somehow...you know it will.
Mike Young
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The unions aren't perfect, and neither are politicans or corperations. The fact of the matter is that republicans are trying to stomp out the unions, and I find that to be excessive. I hear shit like, "these union workers think they're better than the private sector..." If union workers are making more & getting better benefits, that makes the private sector have to step up their game to be competitive. I though that's what free market was all about? Instead, private sector want zero competition so they can treat workers like shit. And scott walker wants to give money to people who put their kids in private schools. Nevermind that they can already afford to put their kids in private school. Lets give them tax money on top of that...
This is not about left or right. This is a human right issue. You may not be able to see from your shrouded vantage point, sorry.
One of the auto parts manufactures around michigan, I forget which... Closed up shop for 2 years to get away from paying decent wages/unions. After 2 years, they opened up shop and strictly use temp agencies to hire the same goddamn skilled workers, and now only have to pay them minimum wage. How do you feel about that? Does that seem ethical to you?
This is not about left or right. This is a human right issue. You may not be able to see from your shrouded vantage point, sorry.
One of the auto parts manufactures around michigan, I forget which... Closed up shop for 2 years to get away from paying decent wages/unions. After 2 years, they opened up shop and strictly use temp agencies to hire the same goddamn skilled workers, and now only have to pay them minimum wage. How do you feel about that? Does that seem ethical to you?
MrDank007
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Look man, there is nothing worse than someone becoming accustomed to something and then being forced to take it away because of bad planning. But you finally said it...the one thing everyone ignores in their plan...nothing is perfect and it never will be. When you take into consideration the negatives of human nature and how it relates to doing business...unions and politicians are bound to fail in bed with one another. It's inevitable. I don't think unions were originally a bad idea, but our country's current prevailing sentiment and laws have made them somewhat irrelevant in regards to their original intended purpose. They served their purpose, but now in order to justify their existence it has been neccesary to push the envelope beyond what is practical for anyone's budget, hence the rub. I don't get great joy out saying any of this and wish it had worked out. But it didn't.
Mike Young
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Well, I'm glad this seems to have toned down for the moment. Though I get the impression that you think this thing is a wrap... I really don't think it is. The people of wi are pissed. And walker isn't helping things with his drastic proposals to cut public funding. He's shitting all over working class people, and not even trying to hide it. I feel that was a big mistake on his part. Perhaps a little discretion would've served him better. Time will tell.
UncleBuck
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what part of our country's 'prevailing sentiment' makes the purpose of unions irrelevant?
better yet, what part of our laws make unions irrelevant? mines are still collapsing on miners, minimum wage is poverty level, and corporations still employ all types and sorts of shady practices to avoid giving their employees benefits - legally.
paying a teacher a decent living wage is 'beyond what is practical for anyone's budget'?
apparently, you don't see the connection between quality teachers, quality education, and the short and long term benefits thereof.
education is an investment. if you think education is too expensive, TRY IGNORANCE. it seems you already may have, actually.
in fact, your statement above is an absolute festering pile of ejaculate, as the unions have already conceded EVERY financial demand made of them, despite being contractually promised it.
so i fail to see how it is not practical for anyone's budget.
what about public sector unions didn't work out? the part where they agreed to make sacrifices during tough times that they did not precipitate, despite being contractually promised more?
the part where they secured a decent living wage for their members, a wage that helps attract better teachers than a minimum wage position with no benefits?
i fail to see what has not worked out.
Lack of union representation does not make a mine collapse.
UncleBuck
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you are right.
lax safety standards, as well as other unforeseen/unpreventable circumstances, are the culprit of many mine collapses.
but why have some type of faction dedicated to preventing or mitigating preventable instances of mine collapse?
that would just be silly, eh?
Mike Young
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Capitolism was built on slave labor. It only makes sense that when the shit gets thick, slaves will once again be called upon (created) to answer the call and get things going back in the right direction.
Nevermind that we have 100,000+ thousand troops in afganstan ($800,000 per troop) and another 50,000 in iraq ($400,000 per troop)
Off topic? Yeah, I know. It's called looking at the BIG PICTURE! It's not hard.
Gotta stick it to those greedy teachers though. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
An economic engineer can make 1000X what an actual engineer makes. An actual engineer builds bridges. What does an economic engineer build? ....My opinion. Complex piles of steamy bullshit.
Nevermind that we have 100,000+ thousand troops in afganstan ($800,000 per troop) and another 50,000 in iraq ($400,000 per troop)
Off topic? Yeah, I know. It's called looking at the BIG PICTURE! It's not hard.
Gotta stick it to those greedy teachers though. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
An economic engineer can make 1000X what an actual engineer makes. An actual engineer builds bridges. What does an economic engineer build? ....My opinion. Complex piles of steamy bullshit.
londonfog
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Sorry Drama you are right...The military is the only place you will receive about 2.5 leave days a month. ( I only took about two weeks, but you are right it was 30 days a year)...but they also count your weekends as leave.. According to military regulations, leave must start and end in the local area. That means, if you begin your leave on Monday, you cannot leave the local area until Monday, even if you are off-duty on Saturday and Sunday. Conversely, if you schedule your leave to end on a Friday, you must return to the local area on that Friday, even if you're not scheduled for work until the following Monday....but you are right about the amount they give..thank you for the correction and again sorry for the misinfo..( hate when thats done even if by me) you did remind me that it was always 30 I just never took it all and actually was able to process out early and still received close to 60 days "terminal leave pay"
MrDank007
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Mines collaspe without unions? Furthermore, teachers don't work in mines. Prevailing sentiment in the old days thought child labor and deplorable working conditions were normal. Now, we do not.
I haven't seen anything showing a correlation between unionized states having better education. Furthermore, you can have decent wage without absurd pensions and benifits. Additionally, union negotiations makes firing shitty teachers problematic. What was your point or was it just a steamy queef?
Of course you don't. Budgets aren't real. Just shake the money tree harder right? At what level of broke would you say it hasn't worked? Also, we aren't talking minimum wage with no benifits. Drama queen rhetoric...
doc111
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Low flow toilets????? lmfao!!!!!!!!!! Did you know that water is a renewable resource? That's right! When you take a piss and it gets to the sewage treatment plant and they do their thing to it and then discharge it into whatever happens to be the nearest body of water, it then evaporates into the atmosphere and falls in the form of rain or snow on some other part of the world. Each time you take a walk in the rain you are being pissed on! lol! Unfortunately, some people live in areas where water is scarce because of the environment they live in. Deserts aren't good places for large numbers of people to live. Places like that will always have shortages. I highly doubt anybody is going to run out of water though, and if that did happen shouldn't they maybe go someplace that has plenty of water? Low flow toilets are one of the dumbest inventions ever. Convincing people that water is actually a vanishing resource is laughable. There's more than plenty of water on this planet for everyone. Those toilets you speak of have to be repeatedly flushed a lot of times just to get the shit to go down them. How is that conserving anything?
