Will She crawl out from under the Trump Bus before it is too late to become a SCOTUS ever?

It sure can seem like I am mean. Yes.
I am keeping up with the filings both what Trump has done and what the DOJ has responded with.
I point out that judge Aileen m Cannon announced that she would rule in favor of Donald Trump before she allowed the DOJ to present their objection.
That signals to me and signals to all that judge Aileen m Cannon is partisan.

I encourage readers to read all the filings from both Donald Trump and the DOJ.
To support my statement of judge Aileen m Cannon being an inexperienced Federal Judge I point out that she ruled that the "Intelligence community" can continue it's investigation into national security threats but that the FBI had to stop it's investigation.
The CIA and such do not have the power to investigate that is the FBI's job as a part of the intelligence community. Yeah FBI is part of it not separate so for judge Aileen m Cannon it had to be a head slap and a face palm moment.
Not calling judge Aileen m Cannon ignorant was deliberate on my part but it sure supports the inexperienced Federal Judge part of my argument. Unless she knew all along and is playing us all on behalf of Donald Trump to cause as much delay as she can. If so the DOJ is not buying it to say the least.

For Donald Trump delay in legal proceedings is a way of life and in paying for the costs of his legal team he has $250,000,000.00 he got from graft in the name of proving the election was stolen.

For the department of justice, delay is not okay at all. Then need to know what was taken, who has the information and if there are more hidden documents. They need to know to protect the United State of America.

Perhaps there are still those who believe Trump is some sort or righteous Patriot? Well they may be in for a shock some day.

The DOJ is NOT going to let Trump or judge Aileen m Cannon play a delay game to benefit Donald Trump.

So have a look at her resume I just posted.
Basically she clerked as many do. Then she was a Parking Garage lawyer. Then she was assistant attorney for seven years and whamo-bamo appointed to Federal Court for life?

Talk about skipping several years of work experience and getting the ultimate job with a direct beeline to the SCOTUS. That is what is happening for judge Aileen m Cannon. At least if she comes through for MAGA.
So according to opinions I have seen today there is no benefit for her not to rule today. It may be 11:59 pm when she does but she has a really hard decision to make in my opinion.

If she rules that Trump owns all of the classified documents he was not allowed to take and that a Special Master must waste time going over what the DOJ has already gone over thus delaying the DOJ from determining what damage Trump has done to the USA then she is wagering that her best chance for a SCOTUS appointment after maybe 3 years as a Federal Judge is to get under the Trump bus in my opinion.
If she rules to allow FBI to continue then she has to eat some crow and reverse herself on the classified documents after a little elementary education on how the Intelligence Community actually works by the DOJ.

So we can ask ourselves what will she do.

If she goes MAGA then it goes to a three judge panel on the 11th and they are conservative to say the least. What will they rule? Pro MAGA and Trump or for the USA?

Donald Trump has the best pro-Trump district with the 11th circuit he can get so if he can't get some love there he has to realize the end of him has started. I will be believing he has to see the end if the FBI can continue.


Since I know many of you want to see things yourself

Here is the LINK I believe presents it all.

This is major history being made. Are the Judaical appointments corrupt including those that lied to get on the SCOTUS? Is this one also on the fast track to SCOTUS?

Watch this space!

Friendly_Grower said:

It sure can seem like I am mean. Yes.
I am keeping up with the filings both what Trump has done and what the DOJ has responded with.
I point out that judge Aileen m Cannon announced that she would rule in favor of Donald Trump before she allowed the DOJ to present their objection.
That signals to me and signals to all that judge Aileen m Cannon is partisan.

I encourage readers to read all the filings from both Donald Trump and the DOJ.
To support my statement of judge Aileen m Cannon being an inexperienced Federal Judge I point out that she ruled that the "Intelligence community" can continue it's investigation into national security threats but that the FBI had to stop it's investigation.
The CIA and such do not have the power to investigate that is the FBI's job as a part of the intelligence community. Yeah FBI is part of it not separate so for judge Aileen m Cannon it had to be a head slap and a face palm moment.
Not calling judge Aileen m Cannon ignorant was deliberate on my part but it sure supports the inexperienced Federal Judge part of my argument. Unless she knew all along and is playing us all on behalf of Donald Trump to cause as much delay as she can. If so the DOJ is not buying it to say the least.

For Donald Trump delay in legal proceedings is a way of life and in paying for the costs of his legal team he has $250,000,000.00 he got from graft in the name of proving the election was stolen.

For the department of justice, delay is not okay at all. Then need to know what was taken, who has the information and if there are more hidden documents. They need to know to protect the United State of America.

Perhaps there are still those who believe Trump is some sort or righteous Patriot? Well they may be in for a shock some day.

The DOJ is NOT going to let Trump or judge Aileen m Cannon play a delay game to benefit Donald Trump.

So have a look at her resume I just posted.
Basically she clerked as many do. Then she was a Parking Garage lawyer. Then she was assistant attorney for seven years and whamo-bamo appointed to Federal Court for life?

Talk about skipping several years of work experience and getting the ultimate job with a direct beeline to the SCOTUS. That is what is happening for judge Aileen m Cannon. At least if she comes through for MAGA.
So according to opinions I have seen today there is no benefit for her not to rule today. It may be 11:59 pm when she does but she has a really hard decision to make in my opinion.

If she rules that Trump owns all of the classified documents he was not allowed to take and that a Special Master must waste time going over what the DOJ has already gone over thus delaying the DOJ from determining what damage Trump has done to the USA then she is wagering that her best chance for a SCOTUS appointment after maybe 3 years as a Federal Judge is to get under the Trump bus in my opinion.
If she rules to allow FBI to continue then she has to eat some crow and reverse herself on the classified documents after a little elementary education on how the Intelligence Community actually works by the DOJ.

So we can ask ourselves what will she do.

If she goes MAGA then it goes to a three judge panel on the 11th and they are conservative to say the least. What will they rule? Pro MAGA and Trump or for the USA?

Donald Trump has the best pro-Trump district with the 11th circuit he can get so if he can't get some love there he has to realize the end of him has started. I will be believing he has to see the end if the FBI can continue.


Since I know many of you want to see things yourself

Here is the LINK I believe presents it all.

This is major history being made. Are the Judaical appointments corrupt including those that lied to get on the SCOTUS? Is this one also on the fast track to SCOTUS?

Watch this space!

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My best guess is it comes down to whatever Trump and his Maga Republicans have on her that they felt confident enough to push her nomination through in the dying days of Trump’s term.

If that ends up being the case, her best option might be to turn states evidence and hope for some immunity on whatever it is they are blackmailing her with.

Still nothing announced.

hanimmal said:

My best guess is it comes down to whatever Trump and his Maga Republicans have on her that they felt confident enough to push her nomination through in the dying days of Trump’s term.

If that ends up being the case, her best option might be to turn states evidence and hope for some immunity on whatever it is they are blackmailing her with.

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Perhaps it is not so much what they have on her but that she skipped a few years of Work Experience and still got the dream job of Federal Judge.

I mean from assistant attorney to Federal Judge of the 11th Circuit? Then the next step is SCOTUS?
I think this is what is called "Hand Picked and Groomed."

So will she rule for Trump and let it go to appeal or will she partially reverse herself and let the FBI go back to work.
No one seems to be expecting her to let the clock run out but who is to say that isn't her best political option here.

Trump couldn't ask for more here. One McConnell and Trump appointed Assistant Attorney to Federal Judge Cinderella Story who is deciding the National Security of the USA today.

Posted this in the other thread but might as well have it here.

Judge rejects DOJ bid to delay Mar-a-Lago ruling, appoints special master
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday rejected a Justice Department demand to permit federal prosecutors to continue their review of records marked classified that were recovered from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

In her ruling, Cannon refused to accept DOJ officials’ contention that the records they are attempting to review as part of an ongoing criminal investigation remain highly classified or contain extraordinarily sensitive defense information that could damage national security if released.

“The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited and orderly fashion,” the Trump appointee wrote in her 10-page ruling.

Cannon instead appointed Raymond Dearie, a senior judge in Brooklyn, N.Y., to lead an independent review of the seized materials. He was one of two potential special masters proposed by the Trump team and prosecutors said they found him acceptable even though he was not one of their initial picks.
In a signed filing, Dearie accepted the task. Cannon urged him to complete his review by Nov. 30 — more than a month after the Oct. 17 deadline DOJ had asked Cannon to set.

The Justice Department had previously appealed Cannon’s order to appoint a special master and had indicated it would seek relief from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals if she did not agree to delay aspects of her ruling by Thursday night. The Justice Department contended that her decision had harmed national security, preventing intelligence community officials from reviewing the seized records, and was blocking the public’s urgent interest in pursuing evidence of crimes.

The ruling is another setback for federal prosecutors, who have expressed alarm at the extraordinarily sensitive records they found in boxes intermingled with Trump’s personal items in his Mar-a-Lago storage room, as well as some recovered from his office. DOJ has warned that Cannon’s Sept. 5 order — which enjoined the Justice Department from furthering its criminal review of the documents seized by FBI agents from Mar-a-Lago in August — had also disrupted a parallel risk assessment of those documents by the intelligence community. Though Cannon allowed that review to continue, DOJ emphasized that her order had sown confusion within the Executive Branch.

In one nod to the Justice Department, Cannon ordered Trump to shoulder the full cost of Dearie’s review, as well as any staff or associates he hires.
Cannon also clarified certain steps DOJ could take to further its criminal investigation even while the documents remained off-limits, such as “questioning witnesses and obtaining other information about the movement and storage of seized materials, including documents marked as classified, without discussion of their contents.”

She also said that DOJ was free to brief “Congressional leaders with intelligence oversight responsibilities” on the seized materials and from using the seized materials to conduct security assessments.

Cannon’s ruling denying the Justice Department’s stay makes clear she simply did not buy prosecutors’ argument that there was no way to allow an intelligence community review of the national security impact of the presence of the information at Mar-a-Lago to proceed, while temporarily putting the criminal investigation on hold.

“The Government’s submissions, read collectively, do not firmly maintain that the described processes are inextricably intertwined, and instead rely heavily on hypothetical scenarios and generalized explanations that do not establish irreparable injury,” she wrote.

However, the judge also emphasized that she was giving Justice Department personnel some leeway to participate in the national security assessment even as she maintains her order blocking the use of any of the documents in the criminal probe.

“To the extent that the Security Assessments truly are, in fact, inextricable from criminal investigative use of the seized materials, the Court makes clear that the September 5 Order does not enjoin the Government from taking actions necessary for the Security Assessments,” she wrote.

And here we go.

She has decided her best path forward is a MAGA SCOTUS appointment and WAIT did you hear that "Thump Thump?"
That is Aileen m Cannon going under the Trump Bus.

This now goes to a three Judge appeals panel I believe.

What a thing.

MeidasTouch has a better critique than I have read.
It's an interesting and thoughtful one.

Mary Trump on How Her Uncle Keeps Getting Away With It

By Dahlia Lithwick Sept 15, 20225:45 AM

More interesting commentary to consider if you like.

Trump-Appointed Judge’s ‘Originalist’ Claim Is Absurd

During her confirmation hearing to become a federal judge in July 2020, Aileen Cannon, like virtually every GOP nominee, described herself as an “originalist.” Originalists claim to be paragons of judicial restraint, devoted to limiting the scope of their rulings, thereby not veering into the role assigned to the democratically elected branches of government to make laws and decide political and social policy. But Judge Cannon’s recent ruling in Donald Trump’s case against the United States government—ordering the partial shutdown of an investigation into the purloining of national security materials by the former president who appointed her—demonstrates that conservative jurisprudence has devolved into a brazen power grab, at direct odds with our democratic system of government, and the constitutional separation of powers.

Cannon's order may ultimately be voided; but the fact that she issued it will remain as a stark warning about just how far Trump judges and other similarly minded GOP nominees—hundreds of whom have been installed, at all levels of the federal judiciary—are willing to take the very judicial “activism” they claim to abhor to serve radically anti-democratic goals.

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Friendly_Grower said:

More interesting commentary to consider if you like.

Trump-Appointed Judge’s ‘Originalist’ Claim Is Absurd

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If a few Supreme Court judges can lie, who is she to buck the trend?

Friendly_Grower said:

More interesting commentary to consider if you like.

Trump-Appointed Judge’s ‘Originalist’ Claim Is Absurd

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It was an interesting read but I have trouble with the author's apparent belief that he could know what Cannon is thinking.

When the author stuck to what could be known, he made some very good points. Cannon claimed to follow originalist principles -- which should have guided her to favoring, or at least giving weight to the executive branch's argument that the documents Trump held did not belong to him, they belonged to the government. This is not even debatable.

Yet she defers to Trump's status as ex-president in her ruling. As if Trump still holds executive power. This is just making shit up. Even if she believes Trump's Big Lie, a judge has to consider evidence or lack thereof when ruling. She's just making shit up to justify doing what she believes should be done. Or maybe the author is correct that she is fawning over MAGA Republicans because she wants a promotion. But that second point is disputable. We can't know what she is thinking.

So, yeah, the author's first point is a good one. Trump's appointees, or a few of them, are corrupting the Judicial Branch of government.

I was waiting for Glenn Kirschner to chime in. Looks like he was busy with a few things but here he is and I feel it's worth listening to.
One has to think everyone is out to Get Trump and making stuff up or they have to believe he is Guilty AF and these are the people covering for Trump.

Anyway here is Glenn.

Fogdog said:

It was an interesting read but I have trouble with the author's apparent belief that he could know what Cannon is thinking.

When the author stuck to what could be known, he made some very good points. Cannon claimed to follow originalist principles -- which should have guided her to favoring, or at least giving weight to the executive branch's argument that the documents Trump held did not belong to him, they belonged to the government. This is not even debatable.

Yet she defers to Trump's status as ex-president in her ruling. As if Trump still holds executive power. This is just making shit up. Even if she believes Trump's Big Lie, a judge has to consider evidence or lack thereof when ruling. She's just making shit up to justify doing what she believes should be done. Or maybe the author is correct that she is fawning over MAGA Republicans because she wants a promotion. But that second point is disputable. We can't know what she is thinking.

So, yeah, the author's first point is a good one. Trump's appointees, or a few of them, are corrupting the Judicial Branch of government.

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History in the making.
It was one sweet promotion in going from an assistant attorney to a Full Federal Judge.
I guess we can say every dog knows who feeds them.
I really liked your thoughtful reply @Fogdog

Friendly_Grower said:

Mary Trump on How Her Uncle Keeps Getting Away With It

By Dahlia Lithwick Sept 15, 20225:45 AM

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He creates chaos. It's simple to do. No special magic required.

Friendly_Grower said:

Mary Trump on How Her Uncle Keeps Getting Away With It

By Dahlia Lithwick Sept 15, 20225:45 AM

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I listened to the Amicus show where one can hear the words coming from Mary Trump and Norm Ornstein.

A chilling topic.

schuylaar said:

He creates chaos. It's simple to do. No special magic required.

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It's not just about Trump. Mary points out that D Trump isn't an exceptional person, he's very good at some things but without powerful backers, he'd have been in jail long ago. She names some of them.

But if it weren’t for people like Mark Burnett, or the bankers at Deutsche Bank, or Mitch McConnell, or Vladimir Putin, I don’t think Donald would’ve gotten as far as he’s gotten. And I think that the original sinner in that regard is my grandfather of course. And it’s just how this pattern has repeated over time that I still can’t quite grapple with it to be completely honest with you. But those two things together, the myth about him sells papers, and other people in positions of power have figured out how to use him toward their own ends.

The article covers much more than Trump. I listened to the podcast linked in the article where Mary Trump and Norm Ornstein discusse the shabby condition of our system in all three branches of government. It discusses how we can fix them but they have little hope that the next two years will be not but a disaster for this country. That is, unless there is a massive turnout in favor of Democrats in the election to be held this fall. Hence, little hope.


The next two years are going to suck.

Fogdog said:

It's not just about Trump. Mary points out that D Trump isn't an exceptional person, he's very good at some things but without powerful backers, he'd have been in jail long ago. She names some of them.

But if it weren’t for people like Mark Burnett, or the bankers at Deutsche Bank, or Mitch McConnell, or Vladimir Putin, I don’t think Donald would’ve gotten as far as he’s gotten. And I think that the original sinner in that regard is my grandfather of course. And it’s just how this pattern has repeated over time that I still can’t quite grapple with it to be completely honest with you. But those two things together, the myth about him sells papers, and other people in positions of power have figured out how to use him toward their own ends.

The article covers much more than Trump. I listened to the podcast linked in the article where Mary Trump and Norm Ornstein discusse the shabby condition of our system in all three branches of government. It discusses how we can fix them but they have little hope that the next two years will be not but a disaster for this country. That is, unless there is a massive turnout in favor of Democrats in the election to be held this fall. Hence, little hope.

The Law v Lawless Edition

Podcast Episode · Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts · 09/10/2022 · 1h 11m

podcasts.apple.com

The next two years are going to suck.

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O Ye of little faith.

schuylaar said:

O Ye of little faith.

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It ain't my fault shuy, I been having nothing but good thoughts about this election ever since the first primary

And I suppose we don't prosecute judges here either?

Aiding and abetting, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, collusion and on and on.

I would like to see our DOJ enforce the laws. And see what turns over if a few publicly float the idea.

Friendly_Grower said:

I was waiting for Glenn Kirschner to chime in. Looks like he was busy with a few things but here he is and I feel it's worth listening to.
One has to think everyone is out to Get Trump and making stuff up or they have to believe he is Guilty AF and these are the people covering for Trump.

Anyway here is Glenn.

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That's the first time I've seen the frowny crease in Kirshner's forehead. He seems pretty hot about Cannon's shenanigans. I hope he's right about the Trump appointees on the appellate court "laughing off" Cannon's ruling and throwing it out. Still, though, no doubt Trump will appeal this to the SCOTUS. delay, delay, delay, while US agents lives may be in danger and the DOJ is prevented from determining who might be at risk.