Will my buds get much bigger?

Cannacat

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I'm only flowering my first grow so I can only speak to my own limited experience but it's going well so far and my buds are coming along pretty nice. I'm growing in coco with Canna coco A & B. Journal in my sig if you want to see pics. Kelp is definitely next on my shopping list, the more I read the better it sounds. I used silica for the first time yesterday on my white widows at day 21 flower and I swear one of those plants was 1 1/2 inch taller at lights out, but not in a stretched way, it was all filled out in proportion so I was pretty impressed with that. I'm going to try molasses in their water tonight too, my bloom supplements won't arrive until the end of the week so I'm gonna try the molasses and give them a little sugar rush. I'm trying lst with a few of mine and it's been a lot of work keeping up with it to keep the canopy level the last few days cos they're just busting out inches all over the place :bigjoint:
 

GuyLeDuche

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Age old kelp at 5ml a gal as soon as you start feeding. You can literally give them this from start to finish with no problems.

Cool, that Age Old looks like just the ticket, nice and affordable (I'm seeing it at Planetnatural.com for $13 a quart, seem fair?). Thanks for the tip! :)

Well, find the cheapest Kelp extract you can find and I have, for years, simply added 5ml to feedings!

If you build soils or even if you simply use bagged and store bought you should add 2 cups of Kelp MEAL to every bag of soil or 1 cup per every cubic foot.....And YES, I still use the extract with the soils having the meal in it..
Nice, am I ok just grabbing 5-10lbs off ebay or is there a better way? Not sure I want the 50lb bag just yet lol
 

Alexander Supertramp

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Lies.

It's a good source iron calcium and raw sugar.

Molasses, raw honey, and brown sugar cane, then mix that with a kelp, guano, earthworm casting mixture.

This is my water. I use it every single watering. It will in fact enhance your plant's terpene profile and significantly boost terpenoid production.
Plants make their own carbs and do not use sugars. And the calcium it contains is pretty much useless to a plant. You sir are the one that is incorrect. Learn botany. Not forum bullshit.
 

breakdancer0003

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I have found this list below to be best advice I have found / followed for growing monster sized buds

1-Genetics ( can make a huge difference but you can make most plants pump out monster )
2-Lots of Training out the limbs into an even canopy for proper hormone distribution.
3-LOTS of light
4-LOOOTS of early trimming and larf removal ( like 30-40% of the plants mass within the first week of flower)
5-Tying the plants down one final time after the first 2 weeks of flower and giving them one more round of larf trimming.
6-Properly dialing in the nutes / soil mix for your particular strain ( more important in non soil mediums , with soil it's sort of one size fits all unless you have ALLOT of time on your hands ) (Less stress = bigger / healthier plants / buds )

These are 29 days into flower and are just starting to beef up (Organic super soil no additional nutes, under 2 1000's in a 4x8 )


 

superbak3d

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Plants make their own carbs and do not use sugars. And the calcium it contains is pretty much useless to a plant. You sir are the one that is incorrect. Learn botany. Not forum bullshit.
Goes to show what you know.

Sugar and carbs aren't used to feed the plant, they're used to feed microbes.

And calcium, is very much used by the plant. It promotes cell strength, cell division, root growth, and uptake of K.

Learn botany, not forum bullshit. Moron

Come back when you learn how the rhizosphere functions, until then, shut up and pay attention. Thanks
 
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Cannacat

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Goes to show what you know.

Sugar and carbs aren't used to feed the plant, they're used to feed microbes.

And calcium, is very much used by the plant. It promotes cell strength, cell division, root growth, and uptake of K.

Learn botany, not forum bullshit. Moron

Come back when you learn how the rhizosphere functions, until then, shut up and pay attention. Thanks
To be fair, he didn't say that the plant doesn't use calcium, but that the calcium in that is unavailable to the plant, or that's how I understood it anyway.
 

Alexander Supertramp

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Goes to show what you know.

Sugar and carbs aren't used to feed the plant, they're used to feed microbes.

And calcium, is very much used by the plant. It promotes cell strength, cell division, root growth, and uptake of K.

Learn botany, not forum bullshit. Moron

Come back when you learn how the rhizosphere functions, until then, shut up and pay attention. Thanks
Yes plants use calcium. But they cannot use the calcium found in molasses. All it does is build up in the medium. Often to a point where it interfers with the uptake of other nutrients. And there is no reason to feed your soil sugars. All you know is what is parrotted on cannabis forums. Which is obvious, your words are almost verbatim to the rest of the parrots. Have a nice day Polly.
 

superbak3d

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Yes plants use calcium. But they cannot use the calcium found in molasses. All it does is build up in the medium. Often to a point where it interfers with the uptake of other nutrients. And there is no reason to feed your soil sugars. All you know is what is parrotted on cannabis forums. Which is obvious, your words are almost verbatim to the rest of the parrots. Have a nice day Polly.
okay buddy.

You're the one spewing out misinformation.
 

superbak3d

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Nothing on your link mentions feeding sugars to your medium. Just adding beneficial organisms. Keep trying Polly.
You're fucking stupid.

Did you even read any of it? Probably not.

This is why you can't teach these old timers anything. Stubborn old fucks that ignore facts.

Keep flushing those plants too!
 

Cannacat

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You're fucking stupid.

Did you even read any of it? Probably not.

This is why you can't teach these old timers anything. Stubborn old fucks that ignore facts.

Keep flushing those plants too!
I read it. It definitely did not mention feeding sugar to your soil. I don't mean to be a dick, I mean I use molasses myself, but you do seem to bring up irrelevancies in an effort to prove your point and it really isn't helping you.
 

superbak3d

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I read it. It definitely did not mention feeding sugar to your soil. I don't mean to be a dick, I mean I use molasses myself, but you do seem to bring up irrelevancies in an effort to prove your point and it really isn't helping you.
The article has nothing to do with sugar feeding.

It's a break down of how the rhizosphere works, and the benefits and effects of what happens when you "feed" your microbes.

There are many ways to feed microbes, and molasses is one of the cheapest and most effective ways to do so.
 

Dr. Who

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The article has nothing to do with sugar feeding.

It's a break down of how the rhizosphere works, and the benefits and effects of what happens when you "feed" your microbes.

There are many ways to feed microbes, and molasses is one of the cheapest and most effective ways to do so.
Yeah I was kinda puzzled as to why you linked that too.....Read it before and just read it again.

Remember the part about VOC's ? You know what they are right? This class of chemicals includes compounds of low molecular weight (<300 g/mol−1), such as alcohols, aldehydes, ketones and hydrocarbons. VOCs are actively produced and used as a sophisticated “language” by plants to pursue communication with other organisms.

Now lets got to directly "quoting" the paper.

In most of the mechanisms that PGPR use to interact with plants, VOC emission has a crucial participation (Fig. 4). The role of VOCs on antibiosis and the biocontrol of plant pathogens is the mechanism that has received most attention in the last decade, as the finding that certain volatiles having antifungal properties determine to a large extent the biocontrol performance of many rhizobacteria.120,126128 There are numerous reports showing that volatiles produced by bacteria such as ammonia, butyrolactonas, HCN, phenazine-1-carboxylic acid, alcohols, among others, may have activity in vivo in different fungal species.126128 The effects of these volatiles on fungi range from mycelium growth inhibition and promotion to the stimulation or reduction of sporulation. Therefore, volatiles can be used for communication between bacteria and their eukaryotic neighbours. Kai et al. (2009) discussed PGPR species that produce bioactive volatiles with activity in fungi.125 It was shown that the volatiles from any one bacterial strain do not cause the same effect or the same degree of response in all fungi; rather the responses depend on the specific fungal-bacteria combination.125


Figure 4

Mechanisms involved in volatile organic compound modulation of plant growth. Microorganisms produce VOCs, which can be sensed by plants to alter morphogenesis or activate defense and stress-related responses."

Can you tell me what this means? I don't think so.....

In the symbiotic relation between the plant and the bacteria/fungus. Microbes produce these chems to communicate with the plant.
The way it works is to increase and decrease certain plant/microbe functions TO effect the grow of one or the other! Increased amounts of some of these have very negative effects to each.
Here we have the "too little - just right - too much" paradox. If you add something to the soil with any intention. You effect the communication of the plant/microbe symbiosis and there for you effect the way the plant and/or microbes grow.

Your use of Molasses alone and in combination with other sugars (No matter simple or complex) CAN and does have negative effects you don't see right away.

Any increase in "sugars" in the soil NOT used by the microbes ferment and the resulting VOC (alcohol) brings into play the reduction of microbial growth and the reduction of K+ carrying plant compounds.....You just reduced the K uptake of the plant. (I use this single point as it's simple to explain and understand as there are other things at play here too.)

As @Alexander Supertramp, @RM3 and @Sativied agreed on, I too must state that the type of Ca in molasses is NOT beneficial to the plant and in fact can effect these VOC's levels, build up in the soil and act like a "salt" build up in time. This also effects the soils ability to pH properly......The NON regular use of molasses MAY have a VERY small positive effect for a limited time...

The use of synthetics and molasses is useless! You've already severely damaged the micro "heard" with the synthetics. Now, dumping overly large amounts of "sugars" in the soil is having an even MORE negative effect DUE to the reduced microbe activity!.....Here is where simple bio teas should be used to increase the active bio's IN the soil, over attempting to "feed" whats left!

Sadly, many believe that with synthetics being already available to the plant. The living bio's are not needed. Yet as we now know from testing, that synthetically feed plants react and grow better/faster with the use of Microbe's! The fact that soo frick'in many differing kinds and labels are available is testament to the use of microbes with the synthetic "movement"....YET, I still have found that adding a simple bio tea to my feed/watering schedule. Was FAR more effective then using ANY microbe "supplement" when in soil and using synthetics......Something I experimented with myself well over 10 years ago!


Goes to show what you know.
Sugar and carbs aren't used to feed the plant, they're used to feed microbes.
And calcium, is very much used by the plant. It promotes cell strength, cell division, root growth, and uptake of K.
Learn botany, not forum bullshit. Moron
Come back when you learn how the rhizosphere functions, until then, shut up and pay attention. Thanks
When you point your finger at others. You have 3 fingers pointing back at YOU!

May I suggest you read this as a real nice introduction to "living soil"

http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131?ie=UTF8&keywords=teaming with microbes&qid=1459957220&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

This one goes with it and you SHOULD read it too!

http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Nutrients-Gardeners-Optimizing-Nutrition/dp/1604693142/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_y

This is NOT intended as an insult but,,,,,,,You need a broader knowledge base to be able to draw proper conclusion from college level papers and research reports....

:peace:
Doc
 
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tyke1973

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Now they are golf balling, they should not grow much bigger just get fatter bud wise ,long way to go through.
 
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