Why is Weed Illegal?

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Hopefully everyone on this site knows and understands the history of this prohibition; I'm talking about "dirty Harry" Anslinger. If you don't know who he was, who he was related to and why this father-in-law *needed* hemp to go away, and how his friend, another powerful media mogul, *needed* hemp to go away, then you need to Google til you know.

I've said many times that law enforcement *needs* marijuana. We know that every form of government is like a damn virus; their #1 priority - above all else - is self preservation; priority #2 is "get more power!". These filthy, self-serving bastards know that in order to accomplish both is to ask for more money and power. All they have to do is say "It's for the children" and they get whatever they ask for. Make no mistake, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Hemp was a threat to the DuPonts and the Hearsts. They sold your freedoms to make more profits, rather than embracing it and making more; they took the low road, the short cut and fucked everybody over. They made a deal with the devil and now they can't undo it because they have ruined the lives of millions of people over nothing. They can waste our tax dollars to study the medicinal value of monkey shit on desert toads but they lied about cannabis having no medical value - even though it had been used for over 200 years in our own country, even though it was, and still is, in the top 5 medicinal plants in Chinese medicine. They would not even allow a scientist to study it if his position paper declared there may be some possibility of medical use. The real kicker is that they already knew it was not "the devil's weed". They already knew the incredible healing properties of it. Ergo: so all the while the left hand was prosecuting innocents to the fullest extent of the law, denying research, and adamantly claiming it has "no medicinal value", the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services was busy filing for a patent on "medical marijuana". That's right folks, these greedy cocksuckers stood on the shoulders of giants and claimed to have discovered what was common knowledge for thousands of years. A patent can not be issued on anything that does not work. A patent can not be issued on an idea, a concept or a principal. On one hand, they arrest and prosecute people because cannabis "has no medical value" and on the other hand they are awarded a patent for medical marijuana. How fucking convenient.

It's all about Money and Control; never forget that. Make no mistake, when it is legalized, big pharma will already in the *unique* position to profit from it. You, the idiot worthless citizen will not be able to grow your own (legally) or buy it unless you buy it from big pharma. They will have it locked up tight; you can be sure of that. They want to keep you alive to slowly drain you of your life's earnings and eventually the few giant corporations will be the holders of everything you ever hoped to own; that is their plan and goal.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
well not to get into a too large debate... but the real issue is the fake and fraudulent system of legalities...

the problem with the "legal" system is that there is nothing legal or lawful about it...
I'm not going to turn this into a law lecture, but bluntly, this line of argument actually HAS been tried in court multiple times, and laughed out of court every one of them.

You can argue until you're blue in the face that you have a "natural right" to grow or smoke whatever you want, or that the court in front of you has no jurisdiction etc, but said court is still going to send your ass directly to prison.

You may think the Federal and State gov'ts are illegitimate, but 95%+ of the voting public doesn't think so, and since the power ultimately comes from them you'd be wrong.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
heres something people should consider... heres why they shut down dispensaries and it is simple also why the state "allows" the feds to do it...

it is as simple as supply and demand... if there are too many dispensaries then there is too much competition + supply thus that drives the price of cannabis down and thus what really hurts the pockets of the state is a loss in revenue(taxes)...

but if they the state and fed can keep the supply low and lower the competition between dispensaries/pharmacies...

then that will keeps the price of cannabis high... which in turn is how the tax collectors directly keep a higher proportionate amount of money from the initial cost which are the taxes made off of it...


its just another stupid way for them to try and control a market... and a simple way of raising taxes without raising taxes if you get my drift...
I've considered it, and there are multiple logical and economic flaws in this conspiracy theory.

How much tax revenue does the State collect from ILLEGAL MJ sales? Answer: ZERO.

So if you want to make an argument that the legal status of cannabis is purely about the State collecting tax revenues, then commercial MJ sales ought to be legal, everywhere, and the State ought to be ENCOURAGING MMJ sales, or at least tolerating them. In other words, its in the financial interest of the State not only to make sure that ALL MJ sales in the State are legal and taxed but to have as many legal sales as possible. Shutting down dispensaries does exactly the opposite.

Next, this argument that closing down dispensaries increases tax revenues only makes sense if you believe that people will pay any price for legal MJ (ie purely inelastic demand), or that the only place people are buying cannabis is dispensaries. Neither one of these things is probably true in reality.

Lets say there were 1000 dispensaries in CA, and the Feds came and shut down 100 of them. Does that mean the State of CA will suddenly collect 10% more tax revenue from MJ sales? Of course not. . .that's ridiculous.

What will happen is that (in theory) since cumulative demand for MMJ will remain the same after the shutdown, the remaining 900 dispensaries will just sell 10% more MJ each. The same total amount of MMJ will get sold, it will just get sold from fewer storefronts, each doing a little more business. The upshot of this is that tax revenues for the State will be unchanged.

In fact, that's probably the "best case" scenario for the State after a big shutdown. More likely than that, by shutting down 10% of the dispensaries, at least some of the clients of those dispensaries will just get their MMJ on the black market. Now since these people are buying off the books, THEIR percentage of tax revenues DISAPPEARS. Without the convenience of a nearby local dispensary, some of the former clients of the shut-down dispensaries will probably just reduce their consumption or even stop smoking altogether. Again, total legal sales will be DOWN and the State will take in LESS money, not more.

Bottom line is, by shutting down 10% of the outlets for legal MMJ sales, the State of CA will DECREASE (not increase) its tax revenues.
 
Because it makes white women want to fornicate with black jazz musicians who frequently use cannabis. Well at least in the 1930's that was one of the reasons. These fuckers got to either ban the booze and the butts or make the leaf legal simple.
hide all the white women !!!
 

Thedillestpickle

Well-Known Member
In fact, that's probably the "best case" scenario for the State after a big shutdown. More likely than that, by shutting down 10% of the dispensaries, at least some of the clients of those dispensaries will just get their MMJ on the black market. Now since these people are buying off the books, THEIR percentage of tax revenues DISAPPEARS. Without the convenience of a nearby local dispensary, some of the former clients of the shut-down dispensaries will probably just reduce their consumption or even stop smoking altogether. Again, total legal sales will be DOWN and the State will take in LESS money, not more.
Or they may just grow it themselves...
 

apbx720

Well-Known Member
I've considered it, and there are multiple logical and economic flaws in this conspiracy theory.

How much tax revenue does the State collect from ILLEGAL MJ sales? Answer: ZERO.

So if you want to make an argument that the legal status of cannabis is purely about the State collecting tax revenues, then commercial MJ sales ought to be legal, everywhere, and the State ought to be ENCOURAGING MMJ sales, or at least tolerating them. In other words, its in the financial interest of the State not only to make sure that ALL MJ sales in the State are legal and taxed but to have as many legal sales as possible. Shutting down dispensaries does exactly the opposite.

Next, this argument that closing down dispensaries increases tax revenues only makes sense if you believe that people will pay any price for legal MJ (ie purely inelastic demand), or that the only place people are buying cannabis is dispensaries. Neither one of these things is probably true in reality.

Lets say there were 1000 dispensaries in CA, and the Feds came and shut down 100 of them. Does that mean the State of CA will suddenly collect 10% more tax revenue from MJ sales? Of course not. . .that's ridiculous.

What will happen is that (in theory) since cumulative demand for MMJ will remain the same after the shutdown, the remaining 900 dispensaries will just sell 10% more MJ each. The same total amount of MMJ will get sold, it will just get sold from fewer storefronts, each doing a little more business. The upshot of this is that tax revenues for the State will be unchanged.

In fact, that's probably the "best case" scenario for the State after a big shutdown. More likely than that, by shutting down 10% of the dispensaries, at least some of the clients of those dispensaries will just get their MMJ on the black market. Now since these people are buying off the books, THEIR percentage of tax revenues DISAPPEARS. Without the convenience of a nearby local dispensary, some of the former clients of the shut-down dispensaries will probably just reduce their consumption or even stop smoking altogether. Again, total legal sales will be DOWN and the State will take in LESS money, not more.

Bottom line is, by shutting down 10% of the outlets for legal MMJ sales, the State of CA will DECREASE (not increase) its tax revenues.
the fact is the states do want the tax money. but theyre not the ones keeping it illegal. the influence from pharmacuticals, tobacco, alcohol, oil, lumber, and the justice dept itself are huge. they have such great lobbying power that they are keeping the ones in charge on the federal level bought off. and the justice departments federal and state know how much budget money and jobs they will lose if half of their offenders are gone. its the feds influence on the states that makes the states allow them to shut down the mmj program. and the feds are using every dept they have to derail mmj.
 
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