Why is Sensi Seeds so expensive?
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thenotsoesoteric
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My buddy paid either $320 or $360 for 10 seeds of jack here back in either 2003 or 2004, back when it was the high times crown jewel. So they actually came down in price, lol.
voodoosdaddy
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Seems like they're still running off their past glory. I've smoked quite a few of their strains in the past couple of years in Amsterdam and Barcelona and some seem to be pretty good but most seem to be just mids. One variety they have that I really want to try is their fruity juice. I didn't get to try any of it but I had several people tell me that it was a great strain to run. One variety of theirs That I did smoke and enjoyed was the Black Domina. Not very potent but it had a 100% indica feel to it. Very long lasting stone that's great for muscle spasms and insomnia. I got a couple of packs of their seeds for cheap so I'll see one of these days when ever I can pop them.
Nieto
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Yeah I'm also an Indica lover. Would love to try those pure Indicas of theirs like the Afghani #1, or the BD.
voodoosdaddy
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Man just going by word of mouth I hear the afghani #1 isn't that great. One thing I also really liked about the BD is the bud structure. Super dense big buds. I hear that there are several companies that are making hybrids of it using a cut from the 90's. Supposedly it was a real killer back then. Super narcotic. Sensi lost most of their mother stock back in the mid 90's and lots of their varieties went down hill but I think they still have some winners. I got the BD with the intention of finding a good female and chunking some pollen from a good sativa male. I got Sensi's Mexican Sativa which on it's own isn't supposed to be too great but I've heard it is good for a pollen chunk -it's supposed to give the x a nice kick...plus it's CHEAP! Also got KC-42 and Serious Kali Mist with the same intention. I figure with the bud structure, and long lasting high it may make something interesting. It's also got an interesting orangey, fruity, musty/dank- smell/ flavor to it.
BD has Ortega in it's lineage. They don't carry that but Mr. Nice still does. Basically everything Sensi has is derived from the lines that Neville had back in the day and eventually pretty much turned into Mr.Nice. They've got lots of varieties I'd love to try. I got some of their Super Silver Haze in Amsterdam and it was damned good. But yeah...They've still got some good stuff, they're on the expensive side, but lots of their varieties are the same as Mr.Nice with different names. I'm not going to totally slam them but I can only go by what I've smoked, the growers I've talked to in Amsterdam and their known history(losing their mothers back in the mid 90's).
https://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Black_Domina/Sensi_Seeds/genealogy/
https://en.seedfinder.eu/database/breeder/Sensi_Seeds/
I dig this seedfinder site...the reviews are pretty good but most of them are in German or Spanish so I have to use google translate for them. It's a pain but lots of good info in the reviews and not so much bullshit as you find on lots of these sites.
Lucky Luke
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Some of their stuff is original gear, not knock offs.
If you can clone you can recoup the cost very fast.
Lucky Luke
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Nice post.
Mr Nice (Oi Oi Oi- for any aussies on
) is a fkn legend. Also involved with the CBD Crew- so worth checking out.
voodoosdaddy
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Yeah man I'm a Neville and Shanti fan boy. Neville was the best there ever was imo. Seems like all the best pot breeders start off with breeding birds or other animals so they have a very good grip on breeding/genetics. Neville also had the advantage of being able to work with many thousands of plants at a time and having tons of parent stock seeds to work with.Nice post.
Mr Nice (Oi Oi Oi- for any aussies on
Cloning is the way to go though. It's kind of strange to me these days that so many people just pop fem seeds and never take clones. I guess I just came up in a different time. When ever I got seeds back in the day I would pop a couple out of a pack, clone them, flower the clones and keep which ever mom was the best. Out of a 10 pack hopefully I would have 1 or 2 winners at least. I had some packs that were for the most part all great plants. Seems like the major companies back in the day -Sensi -Dutch Passion-Green House were more dependable but after Holland changed their laws on seed production things went down hill. Seeds were expensive and hard to come by in the 90's and early 2000's so I always tried to make every one count.
I had a Sk#1 cut that was started in 88 or 89. I got it in about 04. That shit was devastating. From what I was told this guy went to Amsterdam around 88, so that would have been when you could still get genetics that were basically what Neville had been selling mail order before he got busted. Anyway the guy got like a hundred seeds of a couple of different breeds(NL#5 - Haze-ect). Him and his partner kept the best mothers of the different breeds and ran them for a few years gradually moving into a commercial grow state of mind. They ended up chunking everything else and just using the Sk#1 due to the yield, harvest time (60 days), and high. I'd guess that the thc content wasn't over 15% but that was some of the strongest head knocker mind fuck weed I've ever had. I would have pounds sitting around and sometimes would go days without smoking because it fucked me up so bad.
That and the NL#5 that I used to get in the early 90's made me a believer in Neville and his genetics. I honestly think that a lot of the stuff from back then would stand up to anything available today.
Lucky Luke
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@OzCocoLoco you may find this thread interesting.
OzCocoLoco
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I've only just been re reading some good threads from the Mr Nice forums that have some good info from Nevil about the old stuff
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/2012-northern-lights.html
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/4308-questions-nevil.html
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/4367-questions-nevil-afghani-kush-lines-other-grail.html
Sensi really dropped the ball in my opinion,I don't believe that they still hold some of the original P1 stock that was used to make the older lines and have either re selected or are selling F gen versions.
OzCocoLoco
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Sensi are one of if not the oldest seed company still in operation and a large % of the strains going round today are made from the stuff they were putting out in the 90's.
They had a huge collection of varieties sourced from the places you mentioned as well as worked ones from the U.S.
SmileyBizz
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the jack herrar are for £150-180 for a pack of ten
SmileyBizz
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i have there Afghani #1& jack herror seed
SmileyBizz
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i also have these seeds, very easy to grow a monkey can grow it lol also it don't smell at all. but end product does and is potent.
short bushy plant thats resistant then a lot more plants to problems.
Great for first timers or people that don't want to care for the plant much and let it do its thing
Nieto
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There's a lot of interesting info over on that site,thanks for the link. Those Mr. Nice seeds are of the same old school genetics I gather, as Sensi's stuff? That Nevil guy actually says there that Afgani #1 was really bad in his opinion and he eliminated it from all of his crosses... hah guess I gotta find a new strain to fantasize about 
OzCocoLoco
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That Nevil guy knows a thing or two about breeding good weedThere's a lot of interesting info over on that site,thanks for the link. Those Mr. Nice seeds are of the same old school genetics I gather, as Sensi's stuff? That Nevil guy actually says there that Afgani #1 was really bad in his opinion and he eliminated it from all of his crosses... hah guess I gotta find a new strain to fantasize about
jimihendrix1
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Nevil got most of his strains from USA. NEvil like has already been stated gor the old SSSC genetics, and started up wit Sensi, until Bush Sr had him detained in Aus for seed trafficking, but they let him go after 6 months, and he freaked out, sold off his stuff to his other half, and went away for a while. I was buying all those old strains.
Another thing is the seeds were coming from California, not Holland. All the Post Marks I got came from Cali. Many of them Santa Barbara. This was in 84-85.
Skunk1, PNW Hashplant, NL5, Haze,
ALL of these are still alive and well in Pacific Northwest and many others were taken to Holland in the early 80s. Some are only available as cuts, or hybrids, but all the stuff Ive run, and my buddies have run are 100% truly potent, and what I remember.
Its also true Sensi lost many of the original clone mothers, and had to do reselections, and IMHO are but shadows of the originals. Not even in the same universe.
Sensi also still advertises their NL with the Winning Cup Designation, when the stuff they sell now is NOT NL5.
They used to advertise as having NL5, and some years back changed the description about the genetics, but still have the Cup in the ad, which is highly misleading, and fraudulent. IMHO/YMMV.
IMHO they are a huge company, with huge overhead, who lost many of their original genetics, and are living by their name, and stain name reputations.
Serious Seeds, Dutch Passion, and all those companies IMHO/YMMV are junk compared to what they used to be, and while I don't care to pay $200+ for a pack of seeds, but they ( Many of the Big Box Companies ) are over priced, and lesser genetics than they used to be.
But for anyone that's interested heres a few companies that have Nelils old genetics, Super Sativa Seed Club Genetics, 90's Serious Seeds White Widow and 90s SENSI genetics
99% are hybrids, and I buy all I can afford, and that I can get my greedy hands on.
I also have 0 dog in this fight, am not trying to sell anyones seeds, could care less if anyone buys them or not, Im just trying to alert people to some original 80s-90s killer genetics that are very hard to find, and I buy all of these that I recommend, and me, and my buddies have many of these going right now. Im building a seed bank of these old genes, so I'll never lose them again.
The Nature Farm Genetics.
This guy just did a huge drop today.
Most all of them are crossed with Original Skunk. Pre Skunkman…. Original Sacred Seeds Genetics... HELLS ANGELS UNCLE FESTER is responsible for original SKUNK. He is deceased, and left the original genetics to his nephew.. Master Thai, who started ripping people off, and charging to much, so otherts got the genetics, and released it, and ran him basically out of the Norcal scene, and he had been doing this since the 70s, and had many, many great genetics. Its puzzling he went off the deep end.
Skunk won the 1st 3 California Harvest Fests in 67-69, and is undisputed, though many try and say otherwise, and was stabilized by 1969. Uncle Fester was a college psyc professor in the early 60s, and joined the Hells Angels in 1964, and was the guy that bred their weed.
He started out with Mexi Brickweed, which was insanely potent back then, seeds and all. Columbian Red/Gold, Acapulco Gold and Mazar.
Also considering BOEL were the biggest weed importers starting in 67 were stomping in the same neck of the woods, its possible Fester got his other genetics from BOEL.
Sacred Seeds was started in 1938, and had genetics going back to 1915.
They had the original Romulan when it was brought back from Korea in the early 50s. Skunkman was working as an apprentice growing in Santa Cruz, got into trouble, started working with the Feds, and got Sacred Seeds Busted, and the deal was they would leave all the seeds, and plants with intact rootballs in the garbag, outside, overnight, unguarded, and ratman went back and got all of it, bred the Skunk out of it, and took it to Europe. When Nevil, and others got wind that ratman got SS busted, and was working with the feds, all of them stopped messing with him.
The Nature farm Genetics has the Original Pre Sam the Skunkman (RATMAN ) Sk1 genetics known as Uncle Festers 69 Sk18 IBL, and has also been Phylos tested. This is also an Inbred Line, but has a fair amount of genetic diversity, because it hasn't been bottlenecked, though this release IS more closely selected with less genetic diversity, because hes trying to more isolate the RKS phenotype.
He doesn't claim that it is RKS, but there are RKS phenos in the line, and in this breeding, he tried to more Isolate this trait. He used over 200 plants, and picked only 4-5 females/Males each that passed his inspection.
He says if you want RKS that the 90s Sensi x Sk18 is what you want for dead on the road skunk. But even the 1st release Sk18 open pollination REEKS, of skunk spray, garlic, onions, and other chemicals. This is not sweet like SSSC/Nevils Sk1, and is the genetics before it had the Skunk bred out of it to more floral. Though there were still reekers in the SSSC genetics. It was bred to an Afghani to make Super Skunk.
He has all of these crossed with Sk18.... I believe he also may send to other countries, but Im not for 100% sure.
90s Black Domina…. ORTEGA CUT... This cut also won the 2017 Humboldt Cup, and is also in Coastal Seeds.. Black Lights
79 Romulan.. Also given to Coastal... for UFO
89 NL5
Original HAZE
90s Sensi Silver Haze
80s PNW Hashplant
Red Leb Drug Line.. Not bred CBD like the modern stuff. Though it does contain CBD.
Amstel Gold
90s White Widow
TNF also has a cross of his Sk18, and the 1st Release of SSSC Sk1. He will eventually have the pure SSSC Sk1 for sale, but not soon.
He has a Cross of the SSSC x Sk18. SSSC Female... Its called Red Eye Skunk
Hes got more stuff than I listed.
Coastal Seeds... He has a line crossed with the NL1. Nature Farm uses mainly Sk18... Coastal uses NL1
Available at
Seedsherenow...JamesBeanCompany…..Great Lakes Genetics.
79 Romulan x NL1
90s Black Domina
Chem 101...Chem91 VA x M10/Afghan.. SSSC M10... Tested at 29%+
Triangle Kush x M10
Fourora Borealis ( Fairfax 4 Way )
88 G13/HP
Puck Yeah...Puck x Nl1.. Puck AKA Skelly HP is most sought after of all NW HP clones.
Domioion Seed Company...Duke Diamond VA
Available at SeedsHereNow. They also may send overseas, but am not sure about GLG, and JamesBean…
Dominion uses many of Nevils genetics, and the SSSC Sk1. Super Sativa Seed Club.
This is a Skelly/PUCK...Hashplant x SSSC Sk1 Male pairing with old cuts.
Chem 91 VA. AKA Dominion Skunk
Granny Skunk...95 Virginia Beach Afghan
Sis Skunk.... Chems Sister
Deadband..Headband x NL5/SSSC Sk1
G13 Skunk...G13 x NL5/SSSC Sk1
Another thing is the seeds were coming from California, not Holland. All the Post Marks I got came from Cali. Many of them Santa Barbara. This was in 84-85.
Skunk1, PNW Hashplant, NL5, Haze,
ALL of these are still alive and well in Pacific Northwest and many others were taken to Holland in the early 80s. Some are only available as cuts, or hybrids, but all the stuff Ive run, and my buddies have run are 100% truly potent, and what I remember.
Its also true Sensi lost many of the original clone mothers, and had to do reselections, and IMHO are but shadows of the originals. Not even in the same universe.
Sensi also still advertises their NL with the Winning Cup Designation, when the stuff they sell now is NOT NL5.
They used to advertise as having NL5, and some years back changed the description about the genetics, but still have the Cup in the ad, which is highly misleading, and fraudulent. IMHO/YMMV.
IMHO they are a huge company, with huge overhead, who lost many of their original genetics, and are living by their name, and stain name reputations.
Serious Seeds, Dutch Passion, and all those companies IMHO/YMMV are junk compared to what they used to be, and while I don't care to pay $200+ for a pack of seeds, but they ( Many of the Big Box Companies ) are over priced, and lesser genetics than they used to be.
But for anyone that's interested heres a few companies that have Nelils old genetics, Super Sativa Seed Club Genetics, 90's Serious Seeds White Widow and 90s SENSI genetics
99% are hybrids, and I buy all I can afford, and that I can get my greedy hands on.
I also have 0 dog in this fight, am not trying to sell anyones seeds, could care less if anyone buys them or not, Im just trying to alert people to some original 80s-90s killer genetics that are very hard to find, and I buy all of these that I recommend, and me, and my buddies have many of these going right now. Im building a seed bank of these old genes, so I'll never lose them again.
The Nature Farm Genetics.
This guy just did a huge drop today.
Most all of them are crossed with Original Skunk. Pre Skunkman…. Original Sacred Seeds Genetics... HELLS ANGELS UNCLE FESTER is responsible for original SKUNK. He is deceased, and left the original genetics to his nephew.. Master Thai, who started ripping people off, and charging to much, so otherts got the genetics, and released it, and ran him basically out of the Norcal scene, and he had been doing this since the 70s, and had many, many great genetics. Its puzzling he went off the deep end.
Skunk won the 1st 3 California Harvest Fests in 67-69, and is undisputed, though many try and say otherwise, and was stabilized by 1969. Uncle Fester was a college psyc professor in the early 60s, and joined the Hells Angels in 1964, and was the guy that bred their weed.
He started out with Mexi Brickweed, which was insanely potent back then, seeds and all. Columbian Red/Gold, Acapulco Gold and Mazar.
Also considering BOEL were the biggest weed importers starting in 67 were stomping in the same neck of the woods, its possible Fester got his other genetics from BOEL.
Sacred Seeds was started in 1938, and had genetics going back to 1915.
They had the original Romulan when it was brought back from Korea in the early 50s. Skunkman was working as an apprentice growing in Santa Cruz, got into trouble, started working with the Feds, and got Sacred Seeds Busted, and the deal was they would leave all the seeds, and plants with intact rootballs in the garbag, outside, overnight, unguarded, and ratman went back and got all of it, bred the Skunk out of it, and took it to Europe. When Nevil, and others got wind that ratman got SS busted, and was working with the feds, all of them stopped messing with him.
The Nature farm Genetics has the Original Pre Sam the Skunkman (RATMAN ) Sk1 genetics known as Uncle Festers 69 Sk18 IBL, and has also been Phylos tested. This is also an Inbred Line, but has a fair amount of genetic diversity, because it hasn't been bottlenecked, though this release IS more closely selected with less genetic diversity, because hes trying to more isolate the RKS phenotype.
He doesn't claim that it is RKS, but there are RKS phenos in the line, and in this breeding, he tried to more Isolate this trait. He used over 200 plants, and picked only 4-5 females/Males each that passed his inspection.
He says if you want RKS that the 90s Sensi x Sk18 is what you want for dead on the road skunk. But even the 1st release Sk18 open pollination REEKS, of skunk spray, garlic, onions, and other chemicals. This is not sweet like SSSC/Nevils Sk1, and is the genetics before it had the Skunk bred out of it to more floral. Though there were still reekers in the SSSC genetics. It was bred to an Afghani to make Super Skunk.
He has all of these crossed with Sk18.... I believe he also may send to other countries, but Im not for 100% sure.
90s Black Domina…. ORTEGA CUT... This cut also won the 2017 Humboldt Cup, and is also in Coastal Seeds.. Black Lights
79 Romulan.. Also given to Coastal... for UFO
89 NL5
Original HAZE
90s Sensi Silver Haze
80s PNW Hashplant
Red Leb Drug Line.. Not bred CBD like the modern stuff. Though it does contain CBD.
Amstel Gold
90s White Widow
TNF also has a cross of his Sk18, and the 1st Release of SSSC Sk1. He will eventually have the pure SSSC Sk1 for sale, but not soon.
He has a Cross of the SSSC x Sk18. SSSC Female... Its called Red Eye Skunk
Hes got more stuff than I listed.
Coastal Seeds... He has a line crossed with the NL1. Nature Farm uses mainly Sk18... Coastal uses NL1
Available at
Seedsherenow...JamesBeanCompany…..Great Lakes Genetics.
79 Romulan x NL1
90s Black Domina
Chem 101...Chem91 VA x M10/Afghan.. SSSC M10... Tested at 29%+
Triangle Kush x M10
Fourora Borealis ( Fairfax 4 Way )
88 G13/HP
Puck Yeah...Puck x Nl1.. Puck AKA Skelly HP is most sought after of all NW HP clones.
Domioion Seed Company...Duke Diamond VA
Available at SeedsHereNow. They also may send overseas, but am not sure about GLG, and JamesBean…
Dominion uses many of Nevils genetics, and the SSSC Sk1. Super Sativa Seed Club.
This is a Skelly/PUCK...Hashplant x SSSC Sk1 Male pairing with old cuts.
Chem 91 VA. AKA Dominion Skunk
Granny Skunk...95 Virginia Beach Afghan
Sis Skunk.... Chems Sister
Deadband..Headband x NL5/SSSC Sk1
G13 Skunk...G13 x NL5/SSSC Sk1