Why don't more ppl grow auto flowers?

edwardvanhalen123456

edwardvanhalen123456

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Garden hackle said:
Who knows. Your grow. Your choices and if you have it set in your mind that autoflowers aren't worth a piss, don't waste your money on them. :).

Every strain has its own characteristics. I've been so happy with the gear
I've gotten from Mephisto genetics that I quit looking at photos AND other breeders. But that's just me. I'm not trying to get anyone to change what they're doing.

If you think photos rule, that's cool. All that matters is that your happy with your own gig. I'm happy with mine. Hope you're happy with yours. It's all good.


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The only thing I like about auto's is it takes only 2 months to grow one. I know the yield isn't anywhere near what a regular plant is but I don't smoke that much so an auto is perfect for me. Thanks for the nice post buddy.
 
edwardvanhalen123456

edwardvanhalen123456

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Shugglet said:
Also, what light cycle do you run? 18/6? 20/4? 24/0? if you are using 50-100% more electricity that needs to be factored in as well.

Im really not anti autoflowers, just skeptical of your claims. I do prefer regular fems though, as they provide more flexibility in growing them and theres far better variety.
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I'm using 18/6 so the lights are off at night because I need my room completely dark lol.
 
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gardenhackle

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Shugglet said:
I dont understand why you keep insinuating that autoflowers will always yield more.[/(quote]

Aha. The misunderstanding is because I haven't insinuated that. You can get a shit grow out of autoflowers, too. And some strainss yield crap. I didn't say you will always get a better yield. I said you CAN get a better yield. Meanwhile you seem to keep insinuating that a better yield really isn't possible and that's the thing I find rather queer.

Take an indica and an autoindica of the same strain. veg the indica in the same tent you keep mother and other clones.

Put the vegged clone into flower the same time you start the autoflower. If they are the same strain they should yield roughly the same g/sqft...

So youre using ~2x the electricity for lighting (minus veg tent- which runs at lower wattage and eliminates need to buy seeds) to get roughly the same results.

Am I missing something?
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Yes, you're missing something really really big here, man.

You can buy more electricity a LOT easier than you can buy more SPACE or more TIME. The glory of autoflowers, in my opinion is many fold but the PRIMARY attraction to me is that you can grow more in the SAME SPACE AND TIME, not that you can produce more for the same electric cost.

If you are a hobbyist, all that may matter is the cost of seeds and electricity but if your goal is PRODUCTION, you might be more concerned about the best bottom line for the resources you have available. And if you can use the same lights and same space 24 hours a day instead of 12 hours a day, it shouldn't take a stroke of genius to see how that just MIGHT provide some advantages one could leverage.

Your grow, your business, your choice.
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Oh, I've also seen that some breeders are crossing ruderalis into their commercial strains, NOT FOR THE SAKE OF AUTOFLOWERING, but for the sake of speeding up the flowering cycle. how do ya like them apples? LOL. Yep, adding in ruderalis and then breeding out the autoflowering so that those growers who think autoflowers suck can get the faster flowering times of autoflowers without having to deal with that awful auto flowering characteristics. They still are loaded up with ruderalis genes. (Now is that funny as hell or what?).
 
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Shugglet

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Uberknot said:
Ohh yeah if you can use clones that makes it alittle faster...they still have to root and that can take time.
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But that can be separately so they are ready to go when the others are done flowering, so in that sense its not really adding any overall time to the process.
 
Uberknot

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Shugglet said:
But that can be separately so they are ready to go when the others are done flowering, so in that sense its not really adding any overall time to the process.
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it's still part of the time :P you can grow lots more autoflowers because they are smaller...

I guess it's kind of like growing a bunch of plants in 1-3 gallon pots you get less yield that way.
 
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Shugglet

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gardenhackle said:
You can buy more electricity a LOT easier than you can buy more SPACE or more TIME. The glory of autoflowers, in my opinion is many fold but the PRIMARY attraction to me is that you can grow more in the SAME SPACE AND TIME, not that you can produce more for the same electric cost.
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If you have a veg cab inside your flower room that would kind of hurt your theory. And using that idea youre effectively getting more "time" out of the same amount of space.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Uberknot said:
Where are those big ones like that? I'd like to have some of those :P
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Try anything from dinafem or other breeders that say xxl.

edwardvanhalen123456 said:
Do you mean the thc percentage when you say a better cannabinoid profile?
How much did a t5 light cost you. I hope when I get an led I can grow a full auto in 90 days. That's a really short time to wait for a nice plant.
It used to take me half a year to grow a full non auto plant lol.

I never thought about the difference in potency. That's a really good subject you brought up. Thanks a lot for all the info, it's much appreciated.
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$100 off amazon for 4ft 8 bulb.

This is my thread. Auto run. 15 inch pots that hold five gallons of soil.


https://www.rollitup.org/t/oak-wardrobe-organic-grow.870933/page-28
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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GardenGnome83 said:
constantly buy seeds, no clones.
Why??
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My thread covers that. I make my own seeds. I'll have thousands of auto flower seeds after harvest this year.

One reason and one reason only. Plant count. Four is a misdemeanor here, five a felony.

With those four plants I need them to be female.

Make sense now?
 
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Garden hackle

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Shugglet said:
If you have a veg cab inside your flower room that would kind of hurt your theory. And using that idea youre effectively getting more "time" out of the same amount of space.
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DUH ?!?

with autos, ALL YOUR SPACE AND LIGHT ARE FLOWERING.

THERE IS NO VEG CAB.

What part of that has you confused? 60 to 70 days for THE ENTIRE GROW, not just time in the "flowering tent".

So, no there isn't any "veg cab" inside the flowering room to hurt "my theory".



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GardenGnome83

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Garden hackle said:
DUH ?!?

with autos, ALL YOUR SPACE AND LIGHT ARE FLOWERING.

THERE IS NO VEG CAB.

What part of that has you confused? 60 to 70 days for THE ENTIRE GROW, not just time in the "flowering tent".

So, no there isn't any "veg cab" inside the flowering room to hurt "my theory".



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I see you are cocky, you don't have to be. Let's see how they look finished. Got test results?
 
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Gquebed said:
Thanks for your permission. Lol

Meanwhile, maybe heed your own words, above?
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Permission? None asked nor given. Go take another bong rip and read it again.

GardenGnome83 said:
I see you are cocky, you don't have to be. Let's see how they look finished. Got test results?
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Already posted it. I figured a bunch of assholes that would have their wives tales questioned would insinuate I was lying or exaggerating :)

I don't think it's that hard to generate that much but maybe I'd be skeptical if I'd never gotten that with much my grows.

The difference between me and you is that I put the claims of autoflowers to the test and found out the truth. ichallenged a friend of mine by giving him a few auto seeds. He had the same shit attitude about autos I'm seeing from the self styled experts here. "Yeah, no point growing autos unles you want to waste your space
On shitty weed that don't produce much". Something like that.

He only grows autoflowers today. He said he's starting 80 more seeds today.

I'm probably lying about that, too, LOL. :)
 
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I do have another friend that went the other way though. He tried autos and he's back to photos. Last time I saw him he asked me to front him some weed. ;). Seriously. I did. I don't think autos were a good match for him because he tends to let his plants go for periods of time and they suffer a bit over that. Autos are lousy choices for anyone that doesn't take very , VERY good care of their plants. You really can't afford to screw up because you can't catch up by vegging longer.

In my opinion, if you fuck up on the start of an autoflower, you might as well chuck it and start over.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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gardenhackle said:
Permission? None asked nor given. Go take another bong rip and read it again.



Already posted it. I figured a bunch of assholes that would have their wives tales questioned would insinuate I was lying or exaggerating :)

I don't think it's that hard to generate that much but maybe I'd be skeptical if I'd never gotten that with much my grows.

The difference between me and you is that I put the claims of autoflowers to the test and found out the truth. ichallenged a friend of mine by giving him a few auto seeds. He had the same shit attitude about autos I'm seeing from the self styled experts here. "Yeah, no point growing autos unles you want to waste your space
On shitty weed that don't produce much". Something like that.

He only grows autoflowers today. He said he's starting 80 more seeds today.

I'm probably lying about that, too, LOL. :)
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Ummmm... when you said to me "you're dismissed" you did in fact give me permission...to leave the thread, i guess. You might want to hit youre own bong and reread your own post on that.

And, gladly. Youre defending an indefensible position. Autos offer nothing that cant be done or had by regular plants. So there is no point to them. Absolutely none.

And now i shall dismiss...
 
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gardenhackle

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That wasn't permission to leave. That was a fucking dismissal. I actually caved in and responded to your drivel though just in case a rational person was reading and wanted to hear a rational thought on the topic.

But hell no, how you come to figure telling someone they are dismissed is "permission" for anything explains why we're still arguing. Thinking isn't your strong suit. It really just means "get lost and take your stupid ass assertions with you". It isn't asking shit.


Adios amigo.

have mad skilz when it comes to sticking idiots on my ignore list so I don't have to wade through their garbage in my feeds. :)
 
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